[rickc]

xerxes xerxes:

That’s sad but true. Though I think this will be different. It’s one thing to be a drunk like RDJ was. All of his cast mates and producers stuck up for him. When it was speculated that he pulled this hoax because he was getting killed off, Lee Daniels quickly came out to say that was not in the cards for Smolett’s character.

He betrayed people’s trust. That will keep him out of work longer.

For the record, I am glad that Robert Downey Jr. came back better than ever. I think that he is a great actor. I cannot imagine Ironman without him. His substance abuse problems are none of my business, or concern. That should be between him and his doctor, and no one else.

[DrCaleb]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Sure, you keep telling yourself that because people in the justice system with nothing to hide always lock the evidence so the public can't see it.

They also seal records so that they don't come back to haunt someone who was charged but cleared of those charges. When you do a 'security check' on people, police interactions show up, but not the details. This can have a long term effect, the opposite of 'innocent until proven guilty'.

https://www.lawnow.org/police-record-ch ... -disclose/

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

So, you're going to believe this guy

over this guy

Assumes facts not in evidence.

And for the record, I don't believe anyone; and I had never heard of Smolette until Bart posted the fake news from the Daily Fail a couple weeks ago. And I still don't care about him.

I do however, care about 'trial by media', and it's lasting conviction.

[llama66]

I, Judge Llama, do hereby pronounce judgement in the court of public opinion....

[BartSimpson]

rickc rickc:

For the record, I am glad that Robert Downey Jr. came back better than ever. I think that he is a great actor. I cannot imagine Ironman without him. His substance abuse problems are none of my business, or concern. That should be between him and his doctor, and no one else the Department of Motor Vehicles who makes sure he doesn't drive until he's cleared by said doctor.

FTFY.

[N_Fiddledog]

[Freakinoldguy]

Sure Jussie was innocent and the State Attorney's dropping of his charges wasn't political.

$1:

Chicago’s police union has demanded an investigation into Cook County State’s Attorney Kim Foxx her text messages with Jussie Smollett’s family friends.

Before recusing herself from the case in mid-February, Foxx exchanged texts with Michelle Obama’s former chief of staff, Tina Tchen, a close friend of the Smollett family.

Tchen, 63, sent a text to Foxx three days after Smollett, an actor on television's "Empire," claimed he was the victim of a hate crime, saying that she wanted to set up a phone call to discuss the case.

“I wanted to give you a call on behalf of Jussie Smollett and family who I know. They have concerns about the investigation,” Tchen said in a text sent Feb. 3 before 5 a.m.

On Tuesday, the Fraternal Order of Police called for an investigation into Foxx’s “interference” in Smollett’s case after Illinois state prosecutors announced they were dropping all 16 felony charges brought against Smollett for allegedly staging the attack against him.

Patricia Brown Holmes, Smollett’s attorney, insists he did not receive special treatment. "There was no political influence in this case," she said, adding that she believes city officials are upset because they didn’t know prosecutors were going to drop the case.

Smollett, who is gay and black, claimed that he was attacked by two men yelling racist and homophobic slurs while beating him, throwing bleach at him, and putting a rope around his neck. Weeks later, he was charged with disorderly conduct and filing a false police report after investigators said he paid the two men to stage the attack in the hopes of raising his profile enough to boost his "Empire" salary.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... llett-case

[Freakinoldguy]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Sure, you keep telling yourself that because people in the justice system with nothing to hide always lock the evidence so the public can't see it.

They also seal records so that they don't come back to haunt someone who was charged but cleared of those charges. When you do a 'security check' on people, police interactions show up, but not the details. This can have a long term effect, the opposite of 'innocent until proven guilty'.

https://www.lawnow.org/police-record-ch ... -disclose/

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

So, you're going to believe this guy

over this guy

Assumes facts not in evidence.

And for the record, I don't believe anyone; and I had never heard of Smolette until Bart posted the fake news from the Daily Fail a couple weeks ago. And I still don't care about him.

I do however, care about 'trial by media', and it's lasting conviction.

I agree that trial by media is wrong but by the same token, so is subverting justice and lying.

So, the question becomes if Jussie Smollett was innocent like he claims why didn't he go to court and have his innocence proven especially since the States Attorney's office explicitly stated that the dropping of charges did not mean he was innocent?

Seems to me he was terrified that he'd be found guilty of the crimes he committed.

[BRAH]

Ask Richard Jewel how trial by media worked out. Jussie Smollett is a piece of shit who should have been tried in the justice system not by media or social media.

[llama66]

BRAH BRAH:

Ask Richard Jewel how trial by media worked out. Jussie Smollett is a piece of shit who should have been tried in the justice system not by media or social media.

Yes. He was charged, a jury of his peers should have hear his story... and if necessary pronounced judgement. But once again, two sets of laws for two classes of people.

[Freakinoldguy]

llama66 llama66:

BRAH BRAH:

Ask Richard Jewel how trial by media worked out. Jussie Smollett is a piece of shit who should have been tried in the justice system not by media or social media.

But once again, two sets of laws for two classes of people.

And given that a Grand Jury found enough evidence to send him to trial that line of thought becomes nothing more than a copout.

What they're hoping is that people forget the fact that a guilty person walked because of what might be blatant political interference. But I doubt that will happen will because there are some powerful people who are going to continue asking to have the evidence opened up. But what's to bad for the former accused is that his non acquittal is going to do is ensure Jussie Smollett's trial in the court of public opinion continues, which is a good thing.


And no matter how many times that self entitled asshole keeps proclaiming his innocence, when the guy who dropped the charges thinks you're guilty you're going to still have a problem.

http://exclaim.ca/music/article/chicago ... s_innocent

[BartSimpson]

On the radio they're saying that the US Attorney for Illinois is requesting a full copy of the 'sealed' criminal file and the judge's sealed instructions.

[BartSimpson]

And when you get a request from a US Attorney it is not a request.

[Freakinoldguy]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

On the radio they're saying that the US Attorney for Illinois is requesting a full copy of the 'sealed' criminal file and the judge's sealed instructions.

Like I said. Powerful people are really pissed off about this.

But apparently Jussie hasn't had enough public shaming so he's now contemplating suing the Chicago Police Dept.

To quote one Mr. Bugs Bunny. "What a marooon"

[Dragontail69]

They should make this a hate crime and make it a federal crime. Hammer this POS and put him in jail.

[DrCaleb]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Sure, you keep telling yourself that because people in the justice system with nothing to hide always lock the evidence so the public can't see it.

They also seal records so that they don't come back to haunt someone who was charged but cleared of those charges. When you do a 'security check' on people, police interactions show up, but not the details. This can have a long term effect, the opposite of 'innocent until proven guilty'.

https://www.lawnow.org/police-record-ch ... -disclose/

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

So, you're going to believe this guy

over this guy

Assumes facts not in evidence.

And for the record, I don't believe anyone; and I had never heard of Smolette until Bart posted the fake news from the Daily Fail a couple weeks ago. And I still don't care about him.

I do however, care about 'trial by media', and it's lasting conviction.

I agree that trial by media is wrong but by the same token, so is subverting justice and lying.

So, the question becomes if Jussie Smollett was innocent like he claims why didn't he go to court and have his innocence proven especially since the States Attorney's office explicitly stated that the dropping of charges did not mean he was innocent?

Seems to me he was terrified that he'd be found guilty of the crimes he committed.

By the same standard; if there is not enough evidence to reasonable convict at trial, why not take the community service and $10k and call it even? Save the taxpayers the cost of losing at trial.

Trying someone without the posibility of conviction just to appease the media is vindictive.