[BeaverFever]

shockedcanadian shockedcanadian:

Trump makes stunning reversal, says there should be 'no tariffs, no barriers' at G7 summit weeks after imposing huge tariffs on US allies

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-su ... mit-2018-6


Canada is near communist, especially their security apparatus which operates like a nepotistic East Germany.

If Trump applies tariffs on auto, Doug Ford will be dealing with a disaster right away. I say Canada should cut the RCMP budget and transfer payments to pay for these tariffs force some liberty in Canada.

Understand that the President doesn’t have the power to deliver on that kind of promise, much of that would have to be approved by the congress and senate and isn’t likely to happen.

So it’s “ Canada drop your tiny subsidies and tariffs now and there’s a slim chance maybe we Americans will consider consider dropping our massive sprawling subsidies and tariffs in future years. “

[BartSimpson]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Understand that the President doesn’t have the power to deliver on that kind of promise, much of that would have to be approved by the congress and senate and isn’t likely to happen.

So it’s “ Canada drop your tiny subsidies and tariffs now and there’s a slim chance maybe we Americans will consider consider dropping our massive sprawling subsidies and tariffs in future years. “

Actually if President Trump signs an treaty on trade then it's more likely that the GOP Senate will ratify it than they would ratify such a treaty for Obama.

Trump is really popular with Republicans and also with a growing number of Democrats and I doubt that the GOP Senate would refuse something as important as a trade treaty that removes tariff regimes.

Also, the trade treaty would be far more preferable to the President imposing tariffs, restrictions, and sanctions...all of which he can do without Senate approval.

(FYI: The House of Representatives does not play a part in ratifying treaties but they do have a voice when a declaration of war is considered.)

[BeaverFever]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Understand that the President doesn’t have the power to deliver on that kind of promise, much of that would have to be approved by the congress and senate and isn’t likely to happen.

So it’s “ Canada drop your tiny subsidies and tariffs now and there’s a slim chance maybe we Americans will consider consider dropping our massive sprawling subsidies and tariffs in future years. “

Actually if President Trump signs an treaty on trade then it's more likely that the GOP Senate will ratify it than they would ratify such a treaty for Obama.

Trump is really popular with Republicans and also with a growing number of Democrats and I doubt that the GOP Senate would refuse something as important as a trade treaty that removes tariff regimes.

Also, the trade treaty would be far more preferable to the President imposing tariffs, restrictions, and sanctions...all of which he can do without Senate approval.

(FYI: The House of Representatives does not play a part in ratifying treaties but they do have a voice when a declaration of war is considered.)

Forget the treaty what you’re missing is that the massive subsidies that the federal and state governments have doled out to domestic and local interests since time immemorial are budgetary spending matters that are definitely under the purview of the Congress and state legislature and not of Donald Trump. And those interst groups hold their patrons in legislature directly and individually accountable for turning off any taps, which has much more direct consequence to individual senators and congressmen than simply being collectively blamed for not serving Trump.

[DrCaleb]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

And what happened to Churchill?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba ... -1.4731474

[BartSimpson]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Forget the treaty what you’re missing is that the massive subsidies that the federal and state governments have doled out to domestic and local interests since time immemorial are budgetary spending matters that are definitely under the purview of the Congress and state legislature and not of Donald Trump. And those interst groups hold their patrons in legislature directly and individually accountable for turning off any taps, which has much more direct consequence to individual senators and congressmen than simply being collectively blamed for not serving Trump.

One more time: the current US budget that Trump sent to Congress, that was approved, and signed into law late last month and that is now in effect slashed $38 billion in Federal agricultural subsidies.

Trump is doing his best to get the Federal government to stop micromanaging everything and this is a step in the right direction.

[peck420]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

One more time: the current US budget that Trump sent to Congress, that was approved, and signed into law late last month and that is now in effect slashed $38 billion in Federal agricultural subsidies.

The 2019 US Federal Budget cuts Agricultural Subsidies by $1 billion in 2019.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/budget-fy2019.pdf

Table S-2, Pg 118 (pg 122 of the pdf).

If Trump serves his maximum term, and if his budgets don't change for 6 years, then we might see a $23 billion reduction in subsidies.

That is a lot of if's to hold up over a long period, when you already have farmers in arms over lost business.

[martin14]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

And what happened to Churchill?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba ... -1.4731474

So, I'm guessing Jimmy flew in, and didn't hump any propane tanks with him.

[DrCaleb]

martin14 martin14:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

And what happened to Churchill?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba ... -1.4731474

So, I'm guessing Jimmy flew in, and didn't hump any propane tanks with him.

IIRC, the airport only handles small aircraft. Not a lot of room for 1000l of propane.

They usually get sundries delivered in the summer on barges across the Bay.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

peck420 peck420:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

The Business Council of Canada (BCC) reported in 2012 that, beginning in 2000, New Zealand and Australia phased out their dairy supply management programs. As a result, their dairy industries increased productivity and efficiency and became global industry leaders.

May I see a source for Australia?

I gave it to you. The Business Council of Canada.

[peck420]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

I gave it to you. The Business Council of Canada.

https://www.accc.gov.au/system/files/READ%20ONLY%20-%20D18-7942%20Dairy%20Inquiry%20-%20Submission%20-%20Andrew%20Weinert%20-%20Niche%20Agribusiness%20-%20paper%20only%20-%2015%20January%202017.pdf

They should have tried checking with Australia. Milk production is lower now then pre dereg, with a larger population. The derag has not worked in Australia as it has in New Zealand, which has made for interesting economic study.

[martin14]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

IIRC, the airport only handles small aircraft. Not a lot of room for 1000l of propane.

They usually get sundries delivered in the summer on barges across the Bay.

Right, and because the propane now comes by sea, attempting
to link the shortage to the rail line is.............

just more fake news.

[DrCaleb]

martin14 martin14:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

IIRC, the airport only handles small aircraft. Not a lot of room for 1000l of propane.

They usually get sundries delivered in the summer on barges across the Bay.

Right, and because the propane now comes by sea, attempting
to link the shortage to the rail line is.............

just more fake news.

Propane used to come by rail. Coming by sea makes it harder, and less can be shipped that method. Leading to . . . propane shortages!

Actual news.

[martin14]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

martin14 martin14:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

IIRC, the airport only handles small aircraft. Not a lot of room for 1000l of propane.

They usually get sundries delivered in the summer on barges across the Bay.

Right, and because the propane now comes by sea, attempting
to link the shortage to the rail line is.............

just more fake news.

Propane used to come by rail. Coming by sea makes it harder, and less can be shipped that method. Leading to . . . propane shortages!

Actual news.

Wow I would like your proof that coming by sea makes it harder.


So, the real news is that incompetent shipping companies cannot pick up the slack,
and still has nothing to do with a rail line that was knocked out more than a year ago.

[DrCaleb]

martin14 martin14:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

martin14 martin14:

Right, and because the propane now comes by sea, attempting
to link the shortage to the rail line is.............

just more fake news.

Propane used to come by rail. Coming by sea makes it harder, and less can be shipped that method. Leading to . . . propane shortages!

Actual news.

Wow I would like your proof that coming by sea makes it harder.

This is a rail line:



This is a Hudson's Bay:



One of them is easier to move heavy objects across. (once it's fixed) One of them is available year round, the other can't be used several months a year.

Is your subscription to Google expired?

$1:

Gunter said Churchill can not prosper on tourism alone, as the high cost of shipping in all supplies by air or barge will eventually hobble the viability of the town's hospital and administrative complex.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba ... -1.4220990

$1:

Pedersen said the special containers the province plans to use need to be shipped from locations around the world to the port at the mouth of the St. Lawrence River, filled with propane and shipped to Churchill before winter.

"Time is of the essence because they have to get out of the ports, en route to Churchill before the end of September to make the shipping season," he said.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba ... -1.4215877

martin14 martin14:

So, the real news is that incompetent shipping companies cannot pick up the slack,
and still has nothing to do with a rail line that was knocked out more than a year ago.

Yep, nothing to do with it at all.

[Freakinoldguy]

Robair Robair:

Don't know the particulars of New Zealand / Australia, but wondering if they had a neighbor like ours who subsidizes their dairy farmers to the tune of 40%?

American dairy farmers get 40% of their income from American tax payers.

Apparently some people think it's more than the 40% you're claiming. American subsidies may actually be around 73% which means the US taxpayer is the real owner of their dairy system.

$1:

The 588-page report commissioned by Dairy Farmers of Canada examined the role subsidies play in the U.S. dairy market. According to the report, 73% of the returns received by U.S. dairy farmers in 2015 were a result of dairy farm subsidies, such as the Margin Protection Program (MPP), the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) and others. That amounts to about $12.06 per cwt.

While the report may be tilted to favor the Canadian industry, Sean Haney, founder of realagriculture.com, says at a high level there probably is some truth to it.

https://www.milkbusiness.com/article/ca ... subsidized

The US actions in this case have less to do with tariff's and everything to do with getting his welfare industry off the Gov't dole. So is it any fucking wonder Trump wants to get his products into Canada. If he could decimate our dairy industry and leave us at the whim of his he could save his gov't billions.