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Title: 8 teen girls charged with 2nd-degree murder in swarming death of man in Toronto: police
Category: Law & Order
Posted By: Strutz
Date: 2022-12-20 13:37:55
Canadian

[Strutz]

This article was updated after the time I first read it this morning. I was glad to see that they have been remanded into custody and even if bail is offered I hope their mommies and daddies leave them there until their court date. According to the article they had numerous weapons and had been involved in previous criminal activity.

[Strutz]

They mentioned on the TV news that surveillance videos were being obtained from various sources in the area. Good. You can't deny (hopefully) clear footage showing what happened.

[Strutz]

Bail granted to 1 of 8 teen girls charged with murder in Toronto 'swarming' death

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The teen who was granted bail must stay home except when she goes to school, is not allowed to have any weapons and cannot associate with the other teens accused or contact the victim's girlfriend.

She must also surrender her passport, cannot travel outside of the province, is prohibited from owning a cellphone and cannot go on the internet except for school purposes.

Yeah right...

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The other seven accused appeared in youth court at the Ontario Court of Justice Thursday morning. Each is set to reappear in court on Jan. 5, when another date will be set for their bail hearings, expected in early February.

So they will be bailed out with nothing further? Figures.

[Strutz]

Ken Lee, 59, identified as victim of alleged 'swarming' attack by teen girls in Toronto

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Those who knew Lee said he was a quiet man who had been defending a friend when the group of teens allegedly attacked, he said.

"Nobody was surprised that he would stick up for somebody like that," Johnson Hatlem said.

Gru, a former homeless individual who organized Tuesday's memorial, said he and others living on the streets had one thought come to their mind after hearing about Lee's death.

"That could be me," he said.

"Most unhoused people will tell you personal stories of being chased by people who are looking to beat them up ... We all know someone who died, we all know someone who was attacked."

It's fucking disgusting that people would attack those who are vulnerable for absolutely no reason whatsoever.

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Det.-Sgt. Terry Browne said in December that police chose to charge all of the teens with second-degree murder because each girl "played a role" in the slaying.

"All eight were together. All eight were involved," he said. "I won't say what each one individually did, but all eight were together and participating in this event, which is disturbing."

He described the attack as a "swarming," which normally involves selecting a target to victimize.

They better all be punished as adults.

[DrCaleb]

Strutz Strutz:

It's fucking disgusting that people would attack those who are vulnerable for absolutely no reason whatsoever.

This is what I mean when I write 'Guns are a symptom'. The problem is; why do people want to commit violence? Guns are kind of secondary to the problem. As these kids did, knives and vehicles are also ways to inflict damage. But why?

What makes spoiled girls from the 'burbs want to go downtown and commit murder on people they don't know? That is one issue we should be looking at. What makes people ram the gates of the Governor Generals' residence? What makes people drive a van down a sidewalk?

Guns are just the easy solution to a complicated problem.

[Strutz]

This particular case has nothing to do with guns. Just a bunch of twats with no respect for other people.

Police investigate whether girls' alleged subway assaults related to fatal stabbing

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Toronto police have not confirmed whether a group of teen girls who allegedly assaulted several people at public transit stations is the same one that allegedly stabbed a homeless man in the downtown core.

Police are investigating after a group of eight to 10 girls allegedly assaulted several people on Dec. 17 between 10 p.m. and midnight at five downtown Toronto subway stations.

They said the alleged assaults were "random" and they are looking for victims.

I can understand why other possible victims have not come forward. Fear most likely and maybe embarrassment that they were targets of teenage girls. The investigators must have some video evidence though and likely it is the same group.

[DrCaleb]

Strutz Strutz:

This particular case has nothing to do with guns. Just a bunch of twats with no respect for other people.

Perhaps my argument isn't clear. I mean the reason people kill is where we should be trying to make changes in society, not the things they use to kill. Like, where did these teeny boppers get the idea that going downtown to rob people who have nothing might be a good hobby? Where did they get the idea there were no consequences for these actions?

That's what stops the rest of us from acting out Grand Theft Auto in traffic; the knowledge of consequences.

[Scape]

You sound like they had intent, far from it. They were a mob and they had no plan. This was a reaction to him standing up to them. They were bullies who used force for the thrill of it, that's it. Peer pressure of trying to look cool, nothing more.

[Scape]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Like, where did these teeny boppers get the idea that going downtown to rob people who have nothing might be a good hobby?

My money is on the banality of evil. The was a clique of bored young girls who balk at the idea of being told what to do and unchecked used violence to get their kicks.

[DrCaleb]

Scape Scape:

You sound like they had intent, far from it. They were a mob and they had no plan. This was a reaction to him standing up to them. They were bullies who used force for the thrill of it, that's it. Peer pressure of trying to look cool, nothing more.

I recall an interview with the lady who was originally being robbed. She was at a homeless shelter. I also got the impression the girls weren't from around there, but the suburbs.

So it seems to me they had to travel downtown to rob that lady. Whether they went there specifically rob someone, or just did it spur of the moment - they did have to plan to leave the burbs. I may not have my facts right, but that is my recollection.

Scape Scape:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Like, where did these teeny boppers get the idea that going downtown to rob people who have nothing might be a good hobby?

My money is on the banality of evil. The was a clique of bored young girls who balk at the idea of being told what to do and unchecked used violence to get their kicks.

Safe bet on the evil. But where did the evil come from? Bands of rampaging tweens have never been a thing.

[Scape]

Really? That they make headlines and are committing murder is new but bullies and gangs have always been a thing just our tolerance to bullies as a society has changed. We don't tolerate it whereas before we just ignored/excused it. Boys will be boys, right? The hook here is that they are girls and they met on the net. Salacious headlines!

This is why guns should and must be banned from urban areas. We simply can't have nice things not because we can't have sane gun rules and a coherent gun culture, it's that thugs will be thugs and the lowest common denominator will always determine the path of civilization.

[DrCaleb]

Scape Scape:

Really? That they make headlines and are committing murder is new but bullies and gangs have always been a thing just our tolerance to bullies as a society has changed. We don't tolerate it whereas before we just ignored/excused it. Boys will be boys, right? The hook here is that they are girls and they met on the net. Salacious headlines!

I grew up in a small town. It wasn't a thing, boys or girls. If you caused trouble, someone knew you and would phone your parents.

Scape Scape:

This is why guns should and must be banned from urban areas. We simply can't have nice things not because we can't have sane gun rules and a coherent gun culture, it's that thugs will be thugs and the lowest common denominator will always determine the path of civilization.

Again, banning the method of committing violence will not solve the reasons for the violence. It will simply change the method. Back when we didn't have gangs running around, we used to take .22 rifles to school for range practice during Phys Ed. We didn't possess the hatred needed to use those rifles on other people. We didn't even think of such things.

What has changed?

[Scape]

Population density. What we have here is a very small percentage of the population as a whole but given enough people you will have sociopaths and they tend to gravitate towards larger population centres so their moral depravity is not as readily identifiable. Social camouflage.

Then, like minds think alike. Gangs form. Social hierarchy is imposed. The ones who do not have morals hindering their ambition quickly rise to the top and root out any pretenders to their control.

You wont have this problem in a small town simply because they can't sustain the numbers to create a gang of any significant clout.

The root cause of this is boredom and an adolescence need to rebel against order. Growing pains. Since we can't ban boredom then we need to keep the sharp objects away for the children least they cause harm to themselves and others if we want to have a civilization and commerce. We can't hold the parent accountable for this because they are as much of a victims of this violence as the victims and will be paying for the rest of their lives as social pariahs. Held hostages to choices that were more chance than choice.

[Strutz]

7 of 8 teens accused in Toronto 'swarming' attack make court appearance for bail proceedings

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At multiple points during court's afternoon session, Justice Maria Sirivar stared down at the girls, who were all seated on one side of a full courtroom. At one point, the judge said she was "distracted by all of the smirking" coming from some of the accused.

Why smirk about it? Is this all a joke to you? A part of the show?

I hope this is the judge for their individual bail hearings or that their attitude is taken into consideration by whoever is.