[Rev_Blair]

Since somebody just sent me an e-mail asking about Mozilla, I thought I'd steal the words of the man who told me about it:

$1:

Why should you stop using IE?


- A new security hole is found in IE pretty much weekly, letting evil hackers get at your data

- IE doesn't block popup ads

- IE doesn't display all websites properly (including vive)

- IE hasn't had *any* new features added in over 3 years

- IE doesn't support tabbed browsing

- There are better browsers out there.

Mozilla does all those things, and it's fast. The tabbed browsing is my favourite feature because it allows me to have several pages open at once and switch easily between them.

You can get Mozilla free at the Mozilla Website

[Canadaka]

- Mozilla Firefox has managed to rack up 10 security holes in 4 months compared to 7 security holes in Internet Explorer within 4 months. The statistics show that having a product that isn't used by 1000s makes it "more secure" as less hackers/spammers need to attack it.

As the release of XPSP2 has just finished up we should see less IE holes over the coming months but if this trend contines then where will Firefox be in 6 months time?

Mozilla Firefox Security Vulnerabilites
Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 Security Vulnerabilites



- Why be forced to use a companies popup blocker, with ie you can choose to insall a very good mutlimuntion toolbar from Google or MSN


- Depends on what you call proper, in my experience as a web designer, IE displays pages the best. and mostly follows the W3C guidlines. and even if it doens't sometimes well over 95% of internet browsers use IE so making a page work in IE first is the priortyy. If the other browsers liek mozilla want to compete, they will make there browsers do the same, even if its not a standard.

- This is not true for 3 years, but it was been a long time, there really hsn't been much need.. just too add more bloat? But i think they will start to add some stuff soon, if not with the release of Windows Longhorn

- No ie doens't have tabbed browsing, but many people dont like it, to easch to his own. you can get addons for ie that will do it. But i think MS should maybe add it as a optional feature. I do think Mozzila does the tabbed browsing well.

- Better is subjective, neither mozilla or IE are the fastest, in my optionion, Opera is by far the fastest. But IE ueses the least resources, since its already built into windows.

[Rev_Blair]

I find Mozilla runs faster and is easier to use. Tabbed browsing is a major feature for me because I often have 6 or 7 pages open when I'm writing. I know a lot of people who use their computers for research do the same. You can open up multiple windows in IE, but it's difficult and annoying to flip back and forth.

The only time I've had a problem with Mozilla opening a page was here and you fixed that problem.

When I have to use IE at work, I find it clumsy and awkward. That isn't a matter of not being used to it...I use it every day.

[Aaron]

I discouraged my son from using Mozilla/Firefox.. to many holes

[-Mario-]

I just switch to Mozilla... I love it. I tried Opera but it didn't pass my 5 minutes friendly user test. I am sure Opera is a great browser, I just don't have the time/patience to learn a new computer software. My wife like IE better.

Thanks Rev.

-M-

[Canadaka]

If you have windows xp you have probably installed Service Pack 2, if not you should!

Microsoft has updated IE a bit, mostly security changes, but also has built-in popup blocking now. Microsoft has said they are going to release an IE7 but no release date. Might be as late as the release of Widows Longhorn

[Isengard]

Canadaka Canadaka:

- Mozilla Firefox has managed to rack up 10 security holes in 4 months compared to 7 security holes in Internet Explorer within 4 months. The statistics show that having a product that isn't used by 1000s makes it "more secure" as less hackers/spammers need to attack it.

As the release of XPSP2 has just finished up we should see less IE holes over the coming months but if this trend contines then where will Firefox be in 6 months time?

Mozilla Firefox Security Vulnerabilites
Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 Security Vulnerabilites



- Why be forced to use a companies popup blocker, with ie you can choose to insall a very good mutlimuntion toolbar from Google or MSN


- Depends on what you call proper, in my experience as a web designer, IE displays pages the best. and mostly follows the W3C guidlines. and even if it doens't sometimes well over 95% of internet browsers use IE so making a page work in IE first is the priortyy. If the other browsers liek mozilla want to compete, they will make there browsers do the same, even if its not a standard.

- This is not true for 3 years, but it was been a long time, there really hsn't been much need.. just too add more bloat? But i think they will start to add some stuff soon, if not with the release of Windows Longhorn

- No ie doens't have tabbed browsing, but many people dont like it, to easch to his own. you can get addons for ie that will do it. But i think MS should maybe add it as a optional feature. I do think Mozzila does the tabbed browsing well.

- Better is subjective, neither mozilla or IE are the fastest, in my optionion, Opera is by far the fastest. But IE ueses the least resources, since its already built into windows.

I took a look at the links you provided and the results are:

IE 2003 = 24 vulnerabilities
IE 2004 = 18 vulnerabilities
For a big total of 42 in not even 2 years, just think about how much since IE6 was released??

Mozilla Firefox 2004 = 10

You talk about being forced to use a popup blocker, but are we not "forced" in a way to use IE for browsing? I think it's fine to use incorporated add-ons when they work properly for your needs, you always have the choice to switch to something else.

In the end it's a matter of liking what you are using, I've tried in the past Opera, but it had too many useless features for me, Netscape has lost what it had 6 years ago. I used IE all those years and decided to switch to Mozilla Firefox 2 months ago and I must say that I really like this browser.

And as you said, the fact that Mozilla is less popular makes it more secure since hackers usually attack Microsoft products.

[Canadaka]

I recommend people try http://www.maxthon.com/ formaly myIE
i started using it now, offers all the functions that mozilla has over ie and a lot more! but its not bloated, you can customize it a lot. It uses the IE engine, its just a wrapper that goes around it. i'm really liking it so far.

[redonion]

I have been using Firefox ever since 0.6, and we are now nearly at 1.0. I am never bothered by popups, I love the tabbed browsing, and it IS more secure. I spent a whole evening at my neighbour's removing a XXX toolbar that installed itself into IE. That would not happen with Firefox. Software does not autoinstall. If there are updates to Firefox, it can be autoupdated, (with my permission) via the update button; quick and painless.
I can customize it with extensions and themes. It has a better cookie policy; it asks before accepting any cookie.
Firefox is the way to go!

[Canadaka]

with Service Pack 2 out, Ie now does all the same security things, asks permission for anything. only thing ie doens't have out of the box is tabbed and themed. But Maxthon add this, and lots of other features.
I recomend the IE/Mathon combo.

[DMP08]

I had to remove SP2. It made my internet not work. My MSN would work, and my internet would for like 2 pages, then it would display "Page Not Found" or somethjing. It would also load none of the page graphics only text, got rid of SP2 and now I'm fine.

[CntdwnToExtn]

i use netscape 7.2 w/ zone alarm 4


no problems at all, cept for java sometimes and i don't really use it all that often anyway.

[canucker]

Firefox is great... no problems so far. Just update when it is required.

[FuBaR]

DMP did you happen to call Leo Larpote and Call For Help lol. Somebody who had that exact problem called in.

[CntdwnToExtn]

CntdwnToExtn CntdwnToExtn:

i use netscape 7.2 w/ zone alarm 4


no problems at all, cept for java sometimes and i don't really use it all that often anyway.

i use firefox now....i thought iposted this like 10 min ago though?? oh well.