[Monkeyman]

I really just wanted to start a ruckus this afternoon. But really, I made the big switch to Mac about 2 years ago and other than the fact that I can't build my own "real" custom Apple computer I love Macs. They run 99x better than the best PC I've ever had, have less problems, I don't have to format twice a year to get it back to full speed.

I'm gonna go ahead and be honest now. As much as I love my Macs, Apple as a company has really gone downhill, they've taken quite a few ques from Microsoft in "How to screw over your life long customers".

But it's at the point where I keep saying "one more stunt Apple!, one more!" They keep pulling them but I can't go back to a PC.

Maybe some day. or better yet!!! Time to build a Hackintosh!.

[coaster_dot]

Hell Yeah

I love Macs but HATE Apple

I do think they are a bit pricey if you just want a computer to cruise around on. However, if you are going into anything media related (as a job or hobby) a mac is the best way to go. PCs tend to be a bit more "glitchy" and require a lot of maintenance. Mac will run forever just like they came out of the box.

And I do agree that once you get used to them, they are much more user friendly then a PC...even with "Windows 7"

[Choban]

Problem is the pricetag for me, wanted a mac but economically had to by a toshiba laptop, no problems with it so far. they need to trim the overhead to attract more customers.

[herbie]

You want a Cadillac or do you want a Chevy?
Or do you want to tell a veteran salesman/repairman that a $699 Toshiba is even close to a Mac?
Tell me you bought a $1299 Toshiba and level the playing field, at least I'll know that you know "cheap" and "good" don't mean the same thing.

[Canadaka]

I hate macs, but more importantly i HATE Apple & steve jobs.

Apple has gone downhill, not that i ever liked them. But for those that do the complaints are ever increasing. I mostly hate Apple because of there closed systems/architecture and propriety nature, which is also the reason for much of their niche success.

While over the last 10 years Microsoft has created increasingly open systems, opened up propriety stuff and supported more open standards.

$1:

I don't have to format twice a year to get it back to full speed.

Have you tried running Vista or Windows 7? even with XP it wasn't too bad, but with Vista and W7 i never have to reformat anymore. I ran the same install of Vista from the day it launched until this october when W7 came out. It always ran as fast as the day i installed it. Granted I am an experienced user and know how to keep my system running good and I have a powerful system.

But thats where lots of unfair comparisons come in, often people are comparing their experience on a cheap ass bidgut PC, to a high end mac. Like herbie says, compare apples to apples.

I just got a Lenovo Thinkpad T400s with Windows 7 for a client, been using it all day, its an awesome laptop, I would take any day over a macbook.

MacOSX sucks, its not an OS for a power user or a gamer. There are SO many little things that drive me nuts. An example is when you have a open or save dialog open you can't right click in it an interact with files. In Windows I do this all the time, to create, rename or preview files.

[Tricks]

PC>Mac

[commanderkai]

Tricks Tricks:

PC>Mac

+1

Windows 7 is pure awesome.

[coaster_dot]

I am still going to purchase a new Mac Book Pro.

They are really the better when it comes to working with huge files (like photoshop, after affects, premier, final cut, ect). I have never crashed a Mac, yet the PCs always seem to crash at least once a week

Like I said before, it all depends on what you are using your computer for.

[Canadaka]

I have dreamweaver & photoshop open almost all the time, they never crash. Its nice the new Photoshop CS4 has a 64bit version. You can't get that on the MAC
So you can work on larger files on the PC, because you can access more memory
would have to be damn big files, heh (lightroom is also 64bit)

If your doing video or photo editing with Adobe products, i think the PC is better. If you think the apple video editing software is better, than you have no choice. But with adobe you do, and i think they work better on modern PCs. That maybe wasn't true 5+ years ago, but it is now.

[ASLplease]

I dont know enough about Mac/Apple to be objective. I've spent more time on an Apple 2e than I have with anything modern.

I tend to disregard them because I'm part of the $400 computer crowd, and you need to be willing to drop more cash than that if you want a Mac

[jason700]

I've done audio editing and mixing on a Mac using ProTools, Logic, etc for a couple of years. I have definitely seen them crash so many times I can't even count. So this whole idea that Macs don't crash or get bogged down is bogus.

Mind you, it wasn't a brand new Mac that I was working on and I don't have enough experience doing the same work on PC to really compare.

[herbie]

Open a Mac, use it. When you're done, then sometimes there's a window telling you an update is available.
Turn on a PC. Update needed for you AV. Update needed for you anti-spyware. Or fo Java, or for Adobe. Some for Windows. Click them out of the way, they're back. Newer windows, there's a delay option. I walk into my office with 5 PCs and 2 in the cafe, and no shit sometimes it's NOON before all of them are updated and useable.
Tack on the joy of letting any arse-wipe outfit sell hardware/software.
Trying to setup an SMC wireless cam for security, the downloaded firmware update's a friggin' Linux tarball for a cam that's only accessable via IE and ActiveX controls. The software simply locks up, and that's their latest version running on ancient old XP.
Mucking with the Bluetooth dongle on my HP laptop (driver not found) and I hear a ding and the screen on the little miniMac says "you turned on a bluetooth phone! Wanna access it?"
Visit a client with a $2000 HP all-in-one laser, there's no driver for Windows, you have to download 388Mb file for the XP stations, another for the Vista, another for the 2003 server. The receptionist asks why her Mac says new printer on network. Click - HP model such and such available use PCL5? That's it.... that's all.

Granted, Win7's one hell of an improvement. As you can see I can bitch about anything but I've told many people I haven't found anything to really bitch about Win7 yet.
The home premium runs better on my Netbook than XP did. I have an X2 6000 running XP64 and it's getting Win7 Pro next.
The close architecture Canadaka hates is the Mac's strength, not it's weakness. 90% of the market wants friendly, reliable, useful. But buys bleeding edge stuff and can't handle it.

[Choban]

herbie herbie:

You want a Cadillac or do you want a Chevy?
Or do you want to tell a veteran salesman/repairman that a $699 Toshiba is even close to a Mac?
Tell me you bought a $1299 Toshiba and level the playing field, at least I'll know that you know "cheap" and "good" don't mean the same thing.

No I'm not saying that, I'm saying that in this day and age when every house needs a computer for communiction/recreation it isn't financially viable for me to shell out the bucks for a mac, if I made an extra $200 per paycheck then sure I'd have bought a mac, as it is I could afford the toshiba. I'll tell you true that yes I do want a cadillac but can only afford the chevy. Regardless both have their issues, I should say that I haven't had many problems with my toshiba in the year since I bought it, nor have I had issues with the pc's I had before. I do feel that Macs are completley overpriced for a product that truthfully isn't that much better.

[coaster_dot]

Now thinking of it, I may just get a new PC laptop yet spend at least $1000+ on it. I need quad core and at least 8 Gigs of ram. Figure, I'll save at least $1,600 and that could be used for travel.

[Akhenaten]

The debate is deceptive. When you're on a Mac you're on the island of Mac. You need a wireless network card and don't have one? Well you can't just walk out to the store and get one and install it yourself like you can with a PC. You want to add a HD or replace one? You my need to take your Mac in instead of just replacing it and reinstalling.

Macs are great computer systems but not really because they're "Macs". They're great because any computer system works better and has better performance if the entire system from software to hardware is tightly restricted and insular. Space shuttle software doesn't fail either and it's for the same reason. But try running out to get the latest game and just install it without worry and see what happens.

A PC's interoperability is the very advantage that makes it susceptible to failures. Six of one, half dozen of the other.