[MVK_LIM]

As someone who works a lot with graphic design i much more prefer the Mac

Never have to deal with repeating crashes, runs just like it did when i got it a year and a half ago. With windows i would have spent 6 out of the 18 months updating my computer. The overall operating system is much smoother. Spaces is an amazing application, have photoshop in one, illustrator and Safari in the others. File preview is great for sorting out files. Yes there is a price tag but a mac is an investment... sure i spent the $ on it now but in the future, using it as a tool i will get $$$$$$ out of it.

[Choban]

MVK_LIM MVK_LIM:

As someone who works a lot with graphic design i much more prefer the Mac

Never have to deal with repeating crashes, runs just like it did when i got it a year and a half ago. With windows i would have spent 6 out of the 18 months updating my computer. The overall operating system is much smoother. Spaces is an amazing application, have photoshop in one, illustrator and Safari in the others. File preview is great for sorting out files. Yes there is a price tag but a mac is an investment... sure i spent the $ on it now but in the future, using it as a tool i will get $$$$$$ out of it.

That's the kicker, all of the graphic design studios use macs, I got my Computer Graphic Arts degreee, trained on a PC but couldn't find work in the field because I had no Mac experience

[MVK_LIM]

Choban Choban:

MVK_LIM MVK_LIM:

As someone who works a lot with graphic design i much more prefer the Mac

Never have to deal with repeating crashes, runs just like it did when i got it a year and a half ago. With windows i would have spent 6 out of the 18 months updating my computer. The overall operating system is much smoother. Spaces is an amazing application, have photoshop in one, illustrator and Safari in the others. File preview is great for sorting out files. Yes there is a price tag but a mac is an investment... sure i spent the $ on it now but in the future, using it as a tool i will get $$$$$$ out of it.

That's the kicker, all of the graphic design studios use macs, I got my Computer Graphic Arts degreee, trained on a PC but couldn't find work in the field because I had no Mac experience

Well you're in luck because Macs are very user friendly! It will take maybe a week to get used to your mac but much longer to master it like anything else.. the one thing that kept on getting me at first was the minimize/maximize/and close buttons on the left side of windows instead of the right haha

Where did you go to school? what kind of program did you take? and what do you specialize in? What luck have you had finding job opportunities in the field of graphic design besides for the computer OS setback?

[BartSimpson]

In my office we have a Windows 3.1 machine that is a station controller (meaning its only job is to run a certain piece of machinery). It has been on continuously since 1992. It has the OS and the station controller program loaded and nothing else.

My game computer at home (which is going to be replaced in the next few months for a 64 bit system) is a Dell I bought in 2003 and it is on XP and it runs fine. Not one BSOD in all those years. It runs the OS, Battlefield 2, and McAfee. I do not surf the net on that machine.

My other computer is a two year old Dell my wife uses to surf the net, write letters, and etc. and it's got all sorts of sh*t that she's wanted to install on it. That machine has been a frequent pain in the a$$.

But that is not because MS or Dell provided an inferior product, it's because the machine has been abused.

With an Apple she would not have been able to load all the crap she wanted to the machine and that's the tradeoff. With MS/PC you have the freedom to screw up your computer. With Apple they take that freedom away from you.

FYI, my reason for not owning a Mac is the same as it has been since 1993: I can't play my original copy of DooM on it.

[danikyvor]

Bart!!! When did you get back here?? lol

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

In my office we have a Windows 3.1 machine that is a station controller (meaning its only job is to run a certain piece of machinery). It has been on continuously since 1992. It has the OS and the station controller program loaded and nothing else.

My game computer at home (which is going to be replaced in the next few months for a 64 bit system) is a Dell I bought in 2003 and it is on XP and it runs fine. Not one BSOD in all those years. It runs the OS, Battlefield 2, and McAfee. I do not surf the net on that machine.

My other computer is a two year old Dell my wife uses to surf the net, write letters, and etc. and it's got all sorts of sh*t that she's wanted to install on it. That machine has been a frequent pain in the a$$.

But that is not because MS or Dell provided an inferior product, it's because the machine has been abused.

With an Apple she would not have been able to load all the crap she wanted to the machine and that's the tradeoff. With MS/PC you have the freedom to screw up your computer. With Apple they take that freedom away from you.

FYI, my reason for not owning a Mac is the same as it has been since 1993: I can't play my original copy of DooM on it.

[segno]

Monkeyman Monkeyman:

I really just wanted to start a ruckus this afternoon. But really, I made the big switch to Mac about 2 years ago and other than the fact that I can't build my own "real" custom Apple computer I love Macs. They run 99x better than the best PC I've ever had, have less problems, I don't have to format twice a year to get it back to full speed.

Just to add a little more fuel to the fire...

Have you ever thought of going the Linux route?

Look at the advantages:
- Much lower cost than Macs
- You could build your own computer
- No worries about viruses, or reformatting the OS
- Most distributions are less bloated than Vista, so you can get better performance with less hardware
And various Linux distros have improved their user interfaces and installation procedures over the years

Granted, you do loose out on some elements of Windows compatibility (as well as gaming), but since you're already happy abandoning Windows, that shouldn't be a major issue.

[BartSimpson]

danikyvor danikyvor:

Bart!!! When did you get back here?? lol

Back in late July. From mid-March to the end of June I was away on business.

I'm extremely happy to be back.

[acidcomplex]

its pretty simple, MACS are shit and are for people that dont know how to use computers, thats why there so "pretty" to distract people from realizng there overpriced toasters.

The simple fact is you can buy the same machine as a MAC only with better specs for almost half the price. I will ANY day put my PC up against a MAC in any test and watch it eat up your mac for breakfast.

it always kills me how people say "my mac never crashes" and yet I fix them everyday in my office.

If you have too much money, no computer skillz, and like overpriced hardware the choice is simple...get a MAC.

my 2cents and yes I hate MAC's.

[BartSimpson]

acidcomplex acidcomplex:

its pretty simple, MACS are shit and are for people that dont know how to use computers, thats why there so "pretty" to distract people from realizng there overpriced toasters.

The simple fact is you can buy the same machine as a MAC only with better specs for almost half the price. I will ANY day put my PC up against a MAC in any test and watch it eat up your mac for breakfast.

it always kills me how people say "my mac never crashes" and yet I fix them everyday in my office.

If you have too much money, no computer skillz, and like overpriced hardware the choice is simple...get a MAC.

my 2cents and yes I hate MAC's.

In my office we have a few Macs that can't connect to loads of resources on our hybrid Novell-Active Directory network and when the owners whine about it I just tell them to use a PC instead. It's highly entertaining.

[acidcomplex]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

acidcomplex acidcomplex:

its pretty simple, MACS are shit and are for people that dont know how to use computers, thats why there so "pretty" to distract people from realizng there overpriced toasters.

The simple fact is you can buy the same machine as a MAC only with better specs for almost half the price. I will ANY day put my PC up against a MAC in any test and watch it eat up your mac for breakfast.

it always kills me how people say "my mac never crashes" and yet I fix them everyday in my office.

If you have too much money, no computer skillz, and like overpriced hardware the choice is simple...get a MAC.

my 2cents and yes I hate MAC's.

In my office we have a few Macs that can't connect to loads of resources on our hybrid Novell-Active Directory network and when the owners whine about it I just tell them to use a PC instead. It's highly entertaining.

haha nice

[herbie]

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

The debate is deceptive. When you're on a Mac you're on the island of Mac. You need a wireless network card and don't have one? Well you can't just walk out to the store and get one and install it yourself like you can with a PC. You want to add a HD or replace one? You my need to take your Mac in instead of just replacing it and reinstalling.

Macs are great computer systems but not really because they're "Macs". They're great because any computer system works better and has better performance if the entire system from software to hardware is tightly restricted and insular. Space shuttle software doesn't fail either and it's for the same reason. But try running out to get the latest game and just install it without worry and see what happens.

A PC's interoperability is the very advantage that makes it susceptible to failures. Six of one, half dozen of the other.

You demonstrated that you don't know a thing about Macs quite well by picking out the one thing they excel at.
They don't make one without a wireless card. You take one out of the box and as soon as it fires up it announces the strongest wireless signal available, asks if you want to connect to it.
No goddam Dlink or Dell or Toshiba softwear that tries to take over the native Windows wireless. No damn phone company wireless software that tries to take over BOTH the Dell and Windows software, which all run at the same time and screw each other up.
If you hard drive goes, you CAN just buy one off the shelf. Same for RAM. Can't say that about a lot of brand name PCs. Can't even change out the motherboards in many, there's no knockout. Just worked on an HP where the power supply covered the PCI slots, the guy had to go with a USB wireless stick, crap compared to PCI wireless.
Seen many laptops with lame Broadcom and Intel wireless, couldn't see the transmitters on our own roof, saw the cafe wireless with 2 bars less then 15 feet away.
Too much JUNK out there for PCs masquerading as "choice". Too much emphasis on "cheap".

Your post reminded me of a Montreal *nix outfit that actually did Shuttle OS. Their site used to say "If the Shuttle ran on Win98 would YOU fly in it?"
I can't remember their name: Pnix or Qnix or something similar.

[bootlegga]

I never liked Apple's policy of planned obsolescence.

The iPhone 3G is a perfect example of this. Do they wait to build a better battery and add video?

Of course not! They ship it anyways, wait a year or so, then offer a the 3GS which has video capability and a much better battery, forcing a whole lot of people to shell out yet again. Utterly ridiculous!

They used to do that like crazy on Macs too in the 90s, but since I stopped caring about the company, I honestly don't know if they still do or not.

Either way, they lost a customer for life because of that stupid policy.

[herbie]

Get used to that with everything. In BC we have this mandated taxed computer recycling program. I have shelves full of printers, LCDs, laptops under 2 yrs old and dead as doornails.
Had one office replace their Canon printer and pulled out their invoice, 55 weeks old, three weeks past warranty. Three days later the 2nd one on that same PO died. Every damn thing they make is "one year manufacturer warranty" so you almost might as well buy a $89 Brother all-in-one over a $399 HP. They're all shit compared to the old days. No more BJ4000s that you toss after 15 years because your laptop has no LPT port.
Never gonna see a new terabyte drive last as long as the old 1.6 Gigs from 15 yrs back.
Someone brought in my old HP laptop (the 3 mo old $899 one I unloaded when I bought this Macbook). They gave me $500 for it if I took off Vista and put on XP, so I did. Lasted them one goddam year and one month. 16 months from manufacture date. My P4 3Ghz $1500 Tosh lasted me 2+ years. 6 trips to the shop, 3 to Toshiba. Sold it with 6 mos left on the extended warranty, it was dead in 8....
gahh If I didn't SELL the things and just bought them I'd be pissed off.

[bootlegga]

It's not how long things last that piss me off, it's that Apple seems to release products with key features missing (like the iPhone example above, or Macs missing key features back in the 90s) just consumers have to buy a new one in a year or two, whether or not the damn thing dies.

I've had three PCs (Acer, IBM Thinkpad, and a Compaq), and all have outlasted my usage, rather than dying right after the warranty expired. Same goes for a series of printers, they all lasted for several years, before I replaced them to get better functionality.

No, what I'm talking about is Apple's program of planned obsolescence, which keeps consumers coming back to the trough every other year whether or not they really need a new Mac/iPhone/whatever.

[stemmer]

Too bad Apple squished the OpenDarwin project...that would have given PC users a near Mac experience but on a PC....