[stemmer]

poquas poquas:

Stemmer, stemmer, stemmer.

Give it up. With GM about to bite the big one on Monday, you’ll be able to lament their passing in a whole new way. Maybe your own rust bucket will become a collector’s item you can sell in one of your favourite auctions.

None of the North American manufacturers have the high ground on production or management practises that would enable them to show anyone how it should be done.

How is that comment relevant to the Toyota truck rust problem? It's not... The fact remains Toyota has a serious rust problem with their trucks...and has had this problem since the 1970's... FACT not FICTION....

[Lemmy]

stemmer stemmer:

How is that comment relevant to the Toyota truck rust problem? It's not... The fact remains Toyota has a serious rust problem with their trucks...and has had this problem since the 1970's... FACT not FICTION....

All cars have rust problems. All ferrous materials have rust problems. Toyota's problems are less severe than those of most manufacturers, including Ford, GM and Chrysler.

As much as I like reading what you have to say on topics other than cars, Stemmer, I'm seriously considering making you the first person on my "Foe" list because I just can bear to read anymore of your bullshit with respect to cars. You just don't have the first goddamn clue what you're talking about.

Mods: Seriously, how many times does one person get to grind the same axe before you people step in and shut it down, for the benefit of our collective sanity?

[SprCForr]

Those rusted frames are nothing like the rust I've seen on NA pickups, so I wouldn't claim it to be less severe. A truck box is one thing, but frame rot as seen in those pictures is another animal completely.


E: Crappy grammar.

[SprCForr]

Lemmy Lemmy:

As much as I like reading what you have to say on topics other than cars, Stemmer, I'm seriously considering making you the first person on my "Foe" list because I just can bear to read anymore of your bullshit with respect to cars. You just don't have the first goddamn clue what you're talking about.

Mods: Seriously, how many times does one person get to grind the same axe before you people step in and shut it down, for the benefit of our collective sanity?

This could have been better handled via the fine pm system here at CKA. So I'll reply here:

There's an ignore function. Use it.

[poquas]

SprCForr SprCForr:

Those rusted frames are nothing like the rust I've seen on NA pickups, so I would claim it to be less severe. A truck box is one thing, but frame rot as seen in those pictures is another animal completely.

I had a girlfriend (many, many years ago) who used to love driving her Willy's jeep along the beach on Vancouver Island. I assume it was the sea water that destroyed the underside of that poor jeep.

I wouldn't be really surprised if that isn’t the case with the Hawaiian Toyota although I'm sure Stemmer will say he drives his in the ocean all the time without any effect.

[SprCForr]

I figure that if it was a one off case, then it wouldn't be as wide spread as it seems. FWIW, the west coast isn't afflicted with serious rust issues due to the sheer quantity of rain that'll wash the under carriage and they haven't used salt on the roads.

It's BC cars that established the rep for being in good shape after many years. That is not to say they don't rust, they do, but at a much slower rate. You see it in ads "Solid Western car" but you sure don't see "Solid Eastern car" in ads.

[poquas]

We have loads of 30 and 40+ year old vehicles still on the road out here. The only qualifier is if you park your car near the water (ocean) on a regular basis.
Seems the salt spray will affect things a few hundred feet away from the beach. We have friends who live on the second floor of a building in White Rock right across from the beach. They've had to have the flashing around the deck area replaced on a regular basis and they keep a regular supply of CLR to clean the glass panels around the deck.

[Lemmy]

SprCForr SprCForr:

This could have been better handled via the fine pm system here at CKA. So I'll reply here:

There's an ignore function. Use it.

I know. I was just venting frustration from banging my head on the desk. My apologies.

[Wally_Sconce]

"It really sucks bad to have to go to this length to get our point across. We really would have wished Toyota Canada, Inc. and/or Bel-Air Lexus Toyota, Inc.
would have dealt with this in a responsible manner."

http://www.toyotaframerust.com/

[poquas]

It's a TEN YEAR OLD vehicle in Ottawa! TEN SALT coated winters!

[SprCForr]

Gah...thinking about that just gave me the shudders.

<I can feel it eeeating away at the body...>

[stemmer]

Lemmy Lemmy:

As much as I like reading what you have to say on topics other than cars, Stemmer, I'm seriously considering making you the first person on my "Foe" list because I just can bear to read anymore of your bullshit with respect to cars. You just don't have the first goddamn clue what you're talking about.

Mods: Seriously, how many times does one person get to grind the same axe before you people step in and shut it down, for the benefit of our collective sanity?

Truly sorry you feel that way Lemmy... I don't post to offend, upset or insult anyone... Nor did I make up the Toyota truck rust problem Seriously, it was brought to my attention by my kid brother (age 51) who is a mechanic at a national fleet chain...

What I post I truly and honestly believe...

So please except this as an apology but I stand by my opinion...And it appears a few others in this thread seem to agree with me...and of course some do not...

Cheers

[Lemmy]

stemmer stemmer:

What I post I truly and honestly believe...

So please except this as an apology but I stand by my opinion...And it appears a few others in this thread seem to agree with me...and of course some do not...

Cheers

No offense taken at all, Stemmer. My post was tongue-in-cheek. If I really thought you were deserving a mod-intervention, I would have pm-ed a mod.

But you're wrong..WRONG...WRONG about Toyotas. If I had a million dollars, I'd buy you one to prove it to you. 'Til then, you keep talking nonesense, I'll keep banging my head on my desk and we can talk hockey on other threads.

[SprCForr]

and drool over those pictures you take.

[dino_bobba_renno]

I think that people take the whole domestic vs foreign auto's a little too seriously. It really comes down to preference as far as I'm concerned. Some (not all) foreign manufactures do make a bit better quality of a vehicle but you pay for it when you buy them. Personally I wouldn't trade my GM for anything, I love my truck. I'm going on 100 thousand plus and really haven't had any major problems other than a door latch sensor.

Anyone can buy a lemon be it domestic or foreign and there are plenty of horror stories out their. I find peoples experience with those type of occurrences have more to do with the dealer whom they bought it from than the actual manufacturer.