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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 12:55 pm
 


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I'm intersted to know how you think Harper's trying to make Canada more like the USA.


I know American governments put America first and to hell with the rest. I wish Canada was a little more like that.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 1:04 pm
 


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Any Liberal leader was going to get hit hard after the leadership convention, the fact Harper came out swinging the way he has shows the threat he sees Dion to be.

Canadian unity is a balancing act that wouldn't survive the removal of Quebec. And there's only one party that has shown they have the will and ability to manage it. The conservatives under Mulroney were far to concerned with influences from south of the border and Harper is no different. If anything he's more focused on making Canada more like the states. We've already been down that road and know where it leads. Sovereignty crisis.
There is so much wrong with this. Where do I start?


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 1:07 pm
 


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dougC dougC:
Any Liberal leader was going to get hit hard after the leadership convention, the fact Harper came out swinging the way he has shows the threat he sees Dion to be.

Canadian unity is a balancing act that wouldn't survive the removal of Quebec. And there's only one party that has shown they have the will and ability to manage it. The conservatives under Mulroney were far to concerned with influences from south of the border and Harper is no different. If anything he's more focused on making Canada more like the states. We've already been down that road and know where it leads. Sovereignty crisis.
There is so much wrong with this. Where do I start?


How about starting at the removal of Quebec? I think Canada would actually be strengthened and really pull together as a single nation.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 2:06 pm
 


OnTheIce OnTheIce:
dougC dougC:
Any Liberal leader was going to get hit hard after the leadership convention, the fact Harper came out swinging the way he has shows the threat he sees Dion to be.

Canadian unity is a balancing act that wouldn't survive the removal of Quebec. And there's only one party that has shown they have the will and ability to manage it. The conservatives under Mulroney were far to concerned with influences from south of the border and Harper is no different. If anything he's more focused on making Canada more like the states. We've already been down that road and know where it leads. Sovereignty crisis.


I think the CPC saw Dion as a minor threat, easily toppled by advertisements. They worked to a charm. Dion's an easy target.

What's with the anti-American attitude from you Liberals? Canada MUST work with the United States. PEROID. Because Harper works to imrove relations with the USA doesn't mean he's trying to make Canada like the USA, he's trying to make the economy more sustainable. Whether we as Canadians like it or not, we have to kiss the ass of the USA. They are what keeps the economy of this country going and will be there in a heart beat to protect our country, whos military was slashed by your Liberals.

I'm intersted to know how you think Harper's trying to make Canada more like the USA.


I'm not anti-American, I'm a duel citizen. My family roots go a lot deeper in the U.S. than Canada, 1740s compared to 1880s.

The U.S. political system reflects it's history, cultural makeup, geography and economy, and it works well for the U.S.. Why can't you conservatives be proud of your Canadian heritage and stop trying to be like Americans.

Saying we have to kiss Americas ass is just ignorant. Last I heard there was more Canadian dollars invested south of the border than vice versa. The American military was also slashed in the 1990s with base closures and cancelling of major projects. What happened in Canada was not unique.

Once again a conservative government is trying to decentralize the federal government on the American model. It doesn't reflect Canadian culture and hostory and it's going to lay the groundwork for a whole new sovereignty fight. Harper has already decided that Quebec constitutes a nation.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 3:08 pm
 


dougC dougC:
Harper has already decided that Quebec constitutes a nation.



Err no....the people of Quebec, not Quebec the province.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 3:40 pm
 


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dougC dougC:
Harper has already decided that Quebec constitutes a nation.



Err no....the people of Quebec, not Quebec the province.


Got it...just the people, not the rocks and trees and stuff like that. Glad that's cleared up.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 3:43 pm
 


dougC dougC:
PluggyRug PluggyRug:
dougC dougC:
Harper has already decided that Quebec constitutes a nation.



Err no....the people of Quebec, not Quebec the province.


Got it...just the people, not the rocks and trees and stuff like that. Glad that's cleared up.
He's exactly right. I made that mistake as well. The province of Quebec is not a nation in Canada. The Quebecois have been recognized as such.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 5:50 pm
 


RUEZ RUEZ:
dougC dougC:
PluggyRug PluggyRug:
dougC dougC:
Harper has already decided that Quebec constitutes a nation.



Err no....the people of Quebec, not Quebec the province.


Got it...just the people, not the rocks and trees and stuff like that. Glad that's cleared up.
He's exactly right. I made that mistake as well. The province of Quebec is not a nation in Canada. The Quebecois have been recognized as such.


A meaningless distinction in the event of another sovereignty referendum. People vote not provinces and now the people of Quebec have been formally recognized by the federal government as being a nation. It was a move intended to increase short-term support for the conservatives in Quebec with no thought or care for the long term consequences.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 6:33 pm
 


Wrong. It's a very meaningful distinction, considering the accelerating decline of the Quebecois as a majority in Quebec.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 6:42 pm
 


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Wrong. It's a very meaningful distinction, considering the accelerating decline of the Quebecois as a majority in Quebec.


What are you saying, it's part of a federal program to preserve the Quebecois?

It was meant to bolster conservative support, nothing more and is ambiguous at best. Does it apply to all Quebecers or just some, and if so isn't it discrimatory.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 6:53 pm
 


dougC dougC:
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
dougC dougC:
Any Liberal leader was going to get hit hard after the leadership convention, the fact Harper came out swinging the way he has shows the threat he sees Dion to be.

Canadian unity is a balancing act that wouldn't survive the removal of Quebec. And there's only one party that has shown they have the will and ability to manage it. The conservatives under Mulroney were far to concerned with influences from south of the border and Harper is no different. If anything he's more focused on making Canada more like the states. We've already been down that road and know where it leads. Sovereignty crisis.


I think the CPC saw Dion as a minor threat, easily toppled by advertisements. They worked to a charm. Dion's an easy target.

What's with the anti-American attitude from you Liberals? Canada MUST work with the United States. PEROID. Because Harper works to imrove relations with the USA doesn't mean he's trying to make Canada like the USA, he's trying to make the economy more sustainable. Whether we as Canadians like it or not, we have to kiss the ass of the USA. They are what keeps the economy of this country going and will be there in a heart beat to protect our country, whos military was slashed by your Liberals.

I'm intersted to know how you think Harper's trying to make Canada more like the USA.


I'm not anti-American, I'm a duel citizen. My family roots go a lot deeper in the U.S. than Canada, 1740s compared to 1880s.

The U.S. political system reflects it's history, cultural makeup, geography and economy, and it works well for the U.S.. Why can't you conservatives be proud of your Canadian heritage and stop trying to be like Americans.

Saying we have to kiss Americas ass is just ignorant. Last I heard there was more Canadian dollars invested south of the border than vice versa. The American military was also slashed in the 1990s with base closures and cancelling of major projects. What happened in Canada was not unique.

Once again a conservative government is trying to decentralize the federal government on the American model. It doesn't reflect Canadian culture and hostory and it's going to lay the groundwork for a whole new sovereignty fight. Harper has already decided that Quebec constitutes a nation.



Oh give me a break on the whole " The American military was also slashed in the 1990s with base closures and cancelling of major projects. What happened in Canada was not unique."

So you don't know too much about the military eh?

Let's do a little comparison.

It is true that the Yanks shut down some Cold War era bases as they were no longer required to give the Russian Bear a bloody nose.

The Liberals presided over the ‘rust-out’ of the Army. Cancelled the rotary wing support we so badly needed in 1995 with the Merlin cancellation. Disbanded the premier infantry battalion (the Airborne Regt.) and generally ran the CF into the ground.

Hillier was bang on, it was a “decade of darkness”. He was being too nice, the darkness set in when the Services were forced to amalgamate in 1969 by another Liberal government bent on ridding the Canadian Forces of tradition, heritage and Esprit-de-Corps because it looked a tad too colonial and might annoy the Quebeckers.

The US on the other hand carried on it’s modernisation program, re-equipped to fight a ‘three front war’, upped its naval battle groups, bought enhanced strategic airlift, invested heavily in Special Forces and ‘out of theatre’ operations and upgraded it’s expeditionary capability, something we are just about getting a handle on with the C17 purchase.

The Liberals have been quite forward in their disdain for the Forces and it has been duly noted by those of us who served during the Liberal eras.

You should know that the much maligned ‘right wing’ of CKA has a very high proportion of ex-military members, some still serving.
You should make a note of that before you give us any more ill-informed sound bites from the Liberal la-la land of dishonour in all things defence orientated.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 6:54 pm
 


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It was meant to bolster conservative support, nothing more and is ambiguous at best. Does it apply to all Quebecers or just some, and if so isn't it discrimatory.


You asked a question, answered it for yourself and then drew a conclusion from your own answer, what gives?

Recognition of all Quebec people as being distinct within Canada.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 7:55 pm
 


Eyebrock knows of what he speaks.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 10:07 pm
 


dougC dougC:

I'm not anti-American, I'm a duel citizen. My family roots go a lot deeper in the U.S. than Canada, 1740s compared to 1880s.

The U.S. political system reflects it's history, cultural makeup, geography and economy, and it works well for the U.S.. Why can't you conservatives be proud of your Canadian heritage and stop trying to be like Americans.

Saying we have to kiss Americas ass is just ignorant. Last I heard there was more Canadian dollars invested south of the border than vice versa. The American military was also slashed in the 1990s with base closures and cancelling of major projects. What happened in Canada was not unique.

Once again a conservative government is trying to decentralize the federal government on the American model. It doesn't reflect Canadian culture and hostory and it's going to lay the groundwork for a whole new sovereignty fight. Harper has already decided that Quebec constitutes a nation.


I don't see how Conservatives are trying to be like Americans. Perhaps that's just your personal opinion.

85% of our exports go to the United States. That accounts for $340 billion back into Canada. Being nice, or "kissing ass" is something we must do to the United States. Deny it all you want, call it ignorant, but that's reality. Without them, our economy goes into the tank.


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