[Wally_Sconce]

ziggy ziggy:

MacDonaill MacDonaill:

I think that's a terrible idea. There might be a lot of jobs in Alberta for oil roughnecks, but not everybody can up and move to Edmonton. Can you imagine a single mum in Toronto operating an oil rig? I don't think so.

The EI programme is overall an insurance policy against unemployment and poverty. Almost nobody abuses it. There are your few bad eggs, and I agree that they're the worst sort of person, but you can't just throw the baby out with the bathwater now can you?

There is still a poverty problem in Canada, and where there is poverty, there's crime, gangs, drugs, and general misery. I don't want to live in that kind of society.

When the sands run dry, Alberta will be made to get down off its nouveau-riche high horse, and probably back on the receiving end of equalisation payments one of these days. And hopefully, with Newfoundland's new-found freedom to exploit their off-shore oil deposits, they'll be off the dole and paying someone else's tab for a change.

Ontario is the only province to have never received equalisation payments. But no worries. We're a country, and that means we help each other out. Don't forget that.

If you go on EI in Alberta be prepared to pay a lot of it back when you start working again.
Lot's of people are shocked when they get a bill from the taxman 2 or 3 years down the road for EI payments recieved.That's why lots of Albertans dont bother going on it.

I've definitely heard of middle class workers getting their UIC clawed back, if their anuall income reaches a high enough number. But I've never heard of a claw back that happens several years later.

Can you share a specific story or post a link on this? I'm not calling BS, I'm just interested to find out more.

[Benoit]

Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:

ziggy ziggy:

MacDonaill MacDonaill:

I think that's a terrible idea. There might be a lot of jobs in Alberta for oil roughnecks, but not everybody can up and move to Edmonton. Can you imagine a single mum in Toronto operating an oil rig? I don't think so.

The EI programme is overall an insurance policy against unemployment and poverty. Almost nobody abuses it. There are your few bad eggs, and I agree that they're the worst sort of person, but you can't just throw the baby out with the bathwater now can you?

There is still a poverty problem in Canada, and where there is poverty, there's crime, gangs, drugs, and general misery. I don't want to live in that kind of society.

When the sands run dry, Alberta will be made to get down off its nouveau-riche high horse, and probably back on the receiving end of equalisation payments one of these days. And hopefully, with Newfoundland's new-found freedom to exploit their off-shore oil deposits, they'll be off the dole and paying someone else's tab for a change.

Ontario is the only province to have never received equalisation payments. But no worries. We're a country, and that means we help each other out. Don't forget that.

If you go on EI in Alberta be prepared to pay a lot of it back when you start working again.
Lot's of people are shocked when they get a bill from the taxman 2 or 3 years down the road for EI payments recieved.That's why lots of Albertans dont bother going on it.

I've definitely heard of middle class workers getting their UIC clawed back, if their anuall income reaches a high enough number. But I've never heard of a claw back that happens several years later.

Can you share a specific story or post a link on this? I'm not calling BS, I'm just interested to find out more.

Anyway, it's not a reason to close down the EI program. If anything, it's a reason to do the opposite.

[ziggy]

Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:

ziggy ziggy:

MacDonaill MacDonaill:

I think that's a terrible idea. There might be a lot of jobs in Alberta for oil roughnecks, but not everybody can up and move to Edmonton. Can you imagine a single mum in Toronto operating an oil rig? I don't think so.

The EI programme is overall an insurance policy against unemployment and poverty. Almost nobody abuses it. There are your few bad eggs, and I agree that they're the worst sort of person, but you can't just throw the baby out with the bathwater now can you?

There is still a poverty problem in Canada, and where there is poverty, there's crime, gangs, drugs, and general misery. I don't want to live in that kind of society.

When the sands run dry, Alberta will be made to get down off its nouveau-riche high horse, and probably back on the receiving end of equalisation payments one of these days. And hopefully, with Newfoundland's new-found freedom to exploit their off-shore oil deposits, they'll be off the dole and paying someone else's tab for a change.

Ontario is the only province to have never received equalisation payments. But no worries. We're a country, and that means we help each other out. Don't forget that.

If you go on EI in Alberta be prepared to pay a lot of it back when you start working again.
Lot's of people are shocked when they get a bill from the taxman 2 or 3 years down the road for EI payments recieved.That's why lots of Albertans dont bother going on it.

I've definitely heard of middle class workers getting their UIC clawed back, if their anuall income reaches a high enough number. But I've never heard of a claw back that happens several years later.

Can you share a specific story or post a link on this? I'm not calling BS, I'm just interested to find out more.

Revenue Canada actually calls it a clawback.
Long story.

Just phone HRDC,they will verify this.
Ask if you go on EI,will you have to pay it back?

About the only thing Albertans use it for now is training as they pay for all oilfield courses needed to work in the patch and maternity leave and stress leave as I think EI now pays for this.
And if you have to stay home and take care of a relative who's dying,EI also kicks in for this.

The EI surplus is funding lots of things,some good,some that should be funded at a different level,this should be an insurance program,something for working people to fall back in when hard times occur.Nothing else.

[ziggy]

Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:

ziggy ziggy:

MacDonaill MacDonaill:

I think that's a terrible idea. There might be a lot of jobs in Alberta for oil roughnecks, but not everybody can up and move to Edmonton. Can you imagine a single mum in Toronto operating an oil rig? I don't think so.

The EI programme is overall an insurance policy against unemployment and poverty. Almost nobody abuses it. There are your few bad eggs, and I agree that they're the worst sort of person, but you can't just throw the baby out with the bathwater now can you?

There is still a poverty problem in Canada, and where there is poverty, there's crime, gangs, drugs, and general misery. I don't want to live in that kind of society.

When the sands run dry, Alberta will be made to get down off its nouveau-riche high horse, and probably back on the receiving end of equalisation payments one of these days. And hopefully, with Newfoundland's new-found freedom to exploit their off-shore oil deposits, they'll be off the dole and paying someone else's tab for a change.

Ontario is the only province to have never received equalisation payments. But no worries. We're a country, and that means we help each other out. Don't forget that.

If you go on EI in Alberta be prepared to pay a lot of it back when you start working again.
Lot's of people are shocked when they get a bill from the taxman 2 or 3 years down the road for EI payments recieved.That's why lots of Albertans dont bother going on it.

I've definitely heard of middle class workers getting their UIC clawed back, if their anuall income reaches a high enough number. But I've never heard of a claw back that happens several years later.

Can you share a specific story or post a link on this? I'm not calling BS, I'm just interested to find out more.

I'm going by memory here on what I have seen and if you make $50,000 within 3 years of claiming EI the clawback come's into affect and that's why you get the shocker 2 or 3 years down the road. It's only a percentage but usually a few 3 or 5 thousand dollars.

[Bruce_the_vii]

Benoit Benoit:

Benoit Benoit:

Bruce_the_vii Bruce_the_vii:

I think actually these people are being paid better. So is that good enough for you?

They are being paid better than their past wage which is a poor basis for making comparison.

The best basis for making comparisons is the «original position»:

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/original-position/

Just to humour you I tried reading several paragraphs of that.

[MacDonaill]

Benoit Benoit:

MacDonaill MacDonaill:

I think that's a terrible idea. There might be a lot of jobs in Alberta for oil roughnecks, but not everybody can up and move to Edmonton. Can you imagine a single mum in Toronto operating an oil rig? I don't think so.

The EI programme is overall an insurance policy against unemployment and poverty. Almost nobody abuses it. There are your few bad eggs, and I agree that they're the worst sort of person, but you can't just throw the baby out with the bathwater now can you?

There is still a poverty problem in Canada, and where there is poverty, there's crime, gangs, drugs, and general misery. I don't want to live in that kind of society.

When the sands run dry, Alberta will be made to get down off its nouveau-riche high horse, and probably back on the receiving end of equalisation payments one of these days. And hopefully, with Newfoundland's new-found freedom to exploit their off-shore oil deposits, they'll be off the dole and paying someone else's tab for a change.

Ontario is the only province to have never received equalisation payments. But no worries. We're a country, and that means we help each other out. Don't forget that.

The more just are our sharing principles, the more wealth we get from cooperation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morals_by_Agreement

Les bons comptes font les bons amis, comme on dit.

[Wally_Sconce]

ziggy ziggy:

Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:

ziggy ziggy:

MacDonaill MacDonaill:

I think that's a terrible idea. There might be a lot of jobs in Alberta for oil roughnecks, but not everybody can up and move to Edmonton. Can you imagine a single mum in Toronto operating an oil rig? I don't think so.

The EI programme is overall an insurance policy against unemployment and poverty. Almost nobody abuses it. There are your few bad eggs, and I agree that they're the worst sort of person, but you can't just throw the baby out with the bathwater now can you?

There is still a poverty problem in Canada, and where there is poverty, there's crime, gangs, drugs, and general misery. I don't want to live in that kind of society.

When the sands run dry, Alberta will be made to get down off its nouveau-riche high horse, and probably back on the receiving end of equalisation payments one of these days. And hopefully, with Newfoundland's new-found freedom to exploit their off-shore oil deposits, they'll be off the dole and paying someone else's tab for a change.

Ontario is the only province to have never received equalisation payments. But no worries. We're a country, and that means we help each other out. Don't forget that.

If you go on EI in Alberta be prepared to pay a lot of it back when you start working again.
Lot's of people are shocked when they get a bill from the taxman 2 or 3 years down the road for EI payments recieved.That's why lots of Albertans dont bother going on it.

I've definitely heard of middle class workers getting their UIC clawed back, if their anuall income reaches a high enough number. But I've never heard of a claw back that happens several years later.

Can you share a specific story or post a link on this? I'm not calling BS, I'm just interested to find out more.

I'm going by memory here on what I have seen and if you make $50,000 within 3 years of claiming EI the clawback come's into affect and that's why you get the shocker 2 or 3 years down the road. It's only a percentage but usually a few 3 or 5 thousand dollars.

I cant seem to make sense of this, but I was able to find information on RevCan's site, but Telus's site is written in more laymen's terms.

http://money.mytelus.com/tax/lesson.asp?lesson=7

my guess is your friend was exempt in the first year( as is all people), and maybe on the 2nd year the clawback came to them as a surprise. but it also talks about some people getting maternity leave clawedback but they are elligable to get this money back if it happened after 2000.

[Benoit]

Bruce_the_vii Bruce_the_vii:

Benoit Benoit:

Benoit Benoit:

Bruce_the_vii Bruce_the_vii:

I think actually these people are being paid better. So is that good enough for you?

They are being paid better than their past wage which is a poor basis for making comparison.

The best basis for making comparisons is the «original position»:

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/original-position/

Just to humour you I tried reading several paragraphs of that.

Here is a Rawls glossary:

http://eis.bris.ac.uk/~plcdib/rglos.html