[LysPatriote]

I dont understant what you mean.
What your point?
Get killed ?

[Mustang1]

Want I don’t understand about separatists (who are nationalists – a euphemism for what is essentially bigotry) is that they have referenda after referenda (and LOSE!) and yet it’s never binding. If it ever becomes a “yes” (which is doubtful) then it is somehow now official? What a joke.

Sovereignty-Association (aka “getting their cake and eating it too”) is dead. I’ve got an idea: why doesn’t the rest of Canada have a referendum on whether we want Quebec (the geographical entity that entered into Confederation: NO land that was ceded to them by the British or Canadian government) to remain a part of Canada? How about that? If it passes: we kick your sorry assess out and good luck getting trade deals with the United States or us. I’ve always liked Dion’s approach – get tough on this crap and show Quebec that Canada is not their political hostage.

[figfarmer]

My point was; the first post in this thread said, "I am a Quebec Separatist. Some may think that odd, because I'm an Anglo-Ontarian. But I sympathise with the Pequistes. I've felt this way a long time.", calling the P.Q. people Pequistes. I was making the point that there is a tribe of Indians in Canada called the Pequis and members of that tribe, if anyone, should be called Pequistes, not traitorous Frenchies.

The fact that people in a faction which is trying to secede from a country in North America are traditionally dealt with by shooting them isn't my point, just a fact of life.

[Canadaka]

what i don't understand also is the reasons that quebec wants to seperate, im not sure what they are, why not work to fix these problems, rather than focusing all this energy on a seperating, which most likey would cause a great deal more problems.

[RoyalHighlander]

LysPatriote LysPatriote:

I dont understant what you mean.
What your point?
Get killed ?

I think what he mant was that living in Canada is a great thing, cuase in other countries what you are promoting is treason, and traitors are usually shot at dawn... (RH)

[Optinum]

Canadaka Canadaka:

what i don't understand also is the reasons that quebec wants to seperate, im not sure what they are, why not work to fix these problems, rather than focusing all this energy on a seperating, which most likey would cause a great deal more problems.

already tried in the past, i dont beleive that other prime minister and people would accept a distinc society in canada.

in fact the only plan to stop separatism is the plan A, B, C, of the liberral.

[RoyalHighlander]

I lived for 18 years in Quebec, and founds that the ordinary Quebecer is happy in Canada.. its mostly the extremists and certain polititians that are pushing, and have thier own agenda... Parizeau wanted to be the Prime Minister, so he wanted to start his own country....,, BTW I did aggree with Rene Levesque about protecting the French Canadian culture in Canada,, The French are an important part of Canada history, and yes thier history and ways SHOULD be preserved, but not at the cost of every one elses rights and history thoughh

[Erinites]

Canadaka Canadaka:

I just don't get sepertists. they can seperate and go move to france...

<font size="3" color="purple"font face="Comic Sans MS">Only problem with this , is France won't have them.
Quebecois folk are considered to be bourgeois savages.
This stems from the 1600's (aprx) when the French decided that Australia was too far to sail for the convicts.
"Nouvelle France" was much closer for a penal colony.
I am from Quebec, born English in the 60's and a woman to boot.
Major downfalls.
I have survived the military curfews in Montreal, I have survived Rene Levesque starting this whole separation ordeal.
This was 1976.. I was at an English High School named Macdonald Cartier Memorial High School. The only thing separating us from the French High School "Andre Laurendeau" was a @#$% arena..
For lack of police forces that day, the local MP's were called in to help "disperse."
Yes this occured in St.Hubert.
Because of the political regime that was imposed... I lost three years of academic studies...
This because the law at the time was "To English speaking families, the scholastic curriculum will be enforced in french. Hence you are now going to French school!"
I have watched the eviction of all that is English from Quebec.
But you all have to bear in mind...
They just don't know any better...
We have propaganda and so do they.
I hold some grudges but in all honesty...
I sincerely feel that what Lucien Bouchard did was an act of treason according to our constitution.
Reprimanded?
Not.
Any other province... definately.
You have to go back to the days Of Maurice Duplessis.
His motto was " A good Quebecer is an uneducated Quebecer"
No one needs an education to plow fields....Be fruitful and multiply!"
Typical children... Gimme all the perks and you want me to do what in return?</font>

[Mustang1]

Erinites,

An interesting story – I’ve always thought that nationalism (whatever form it takes) is merely another brand of bigotry. Separatists bullshit people by suggesting sovereignty-association (as if somehow they can dictate this relationship with the rest of Canada) and that they’ll respect the rights of others (yeah right, like Bill 101), but in essence they are fighting a losing battle – one that has nothing to do with democracy (how many fucking referenda do they get?!?!?!?) and everything to do with power.

[LysPatriote]

We know that is hard to you guys to understant why we want a contry, because for your english-canadien you nerver want a contry, you never fight for independance (like USA), in fact you help the loyalists give big propriéty to them afer the war kick the ass of Acadien and trow them to Lousiana... being a England coloni was Ok for You. When England let you alone you was in need of a name , so you steal our , Canadien ( so we have to fine another word to difine what we are) you did the same thing whit our other symboles like Maple Leaf ( -canadaka have you seen many Maple tree in BC or Alberta?) Beaver and the national anthem, you do know that it was in freach.

After that you continu to recuperate our hero, Maurice ''Rocket'' Richard was a great Nationatist hero a Québécois just like us he was fighting againts big bad english establiment and he kick ass every night. So the féderal use it symbole as a Canadien Hero ( Sponsorship scandal, Robert Guy Scully serie) They will try to do the same thing whit René Lévesque CBC work on a new series, it will air next years, can you imagine that, Levesque a ''Canadien Héro'' the coolest looser of all.

[RoyalHighlander]

[Mustang1]

I noticed how LysPatriote dodged my referenda question but I’ll allow him some questionable tactics, as he is a slimy separatist!

LysPatriote LysPatriote:

We know that is hard to you guys to understant why we want a contry, because for your english-canadien you nerver want a contry, you never fight for independance (like USA), in fact you help the loyalists give big propriéty to them afer the war kick the ass of Acadien and trow them to Lousiana... being a England coloni was Ok for You.

Do any of you READ HISTORY BOOKS?!?!?!? Do they kick you out of your little fleur di lis club if you even come close to demonstrating a passable understanding of history? First there was _747 (and we all know how he bastardized history) and now we have yet another example of an absolute misrepresentation of objective facts. Do you guys score points somewhere for the biggest intellectual Aneurysm– are you in the century club yet? <Sigh> Just like your other compatriot (Darth idiot) I’ll have to fix your history too.

Firstly, we did (and so did Lower Canada) fight for independence – it was called THE WAR of 1812. Look it up. Secondly “we” didn’t steal anything; “you” got your ass handed to you by Wolfe on September 13, 1759. After that, French-Canadiens became conquered people. Don’t like it? Who cares?!!? That’s history.

Acadians – get over it. Had they taken an oath of allegiance (hardly a major deal) there might have been less of an issue. It is unfortunate that many died as a result of expulsion – but what is your point? How is this related to the contemporary bigotry and hypocrisy of sovereignty-association?

“We” including Quebec did form a nation – it is called the Dominion of Canada. You don’t like it? Leave. You had your referenda and LOST!!!! People (although I still question the legality of the process) disagreed with your lost cause and you still won’t let it go. It’s over. Your are apparently still in denial…contact your poutine-munching buddies and have a smoke and burn in effigy Trudeau, but it doesn’t really matter because your pipe dream of sovereignty-association is dead.

[LysPatriote]

Ok, keap tinking that way and it will be easier, how can you know than the dream is dead? If you don't live in Québec right now, what you know about the the state of the separatiste mouvement is what federalist media tell you.
Us separatis know by fact that all media (except Quebecor and Le Devoir) work agaist separatiste, so they tell the population than the independance mouvement is dead, so that what the people will belive. '' I if we don't tack about it, it dosent exist''- Quote: Elvis Gratton 3

The media controle in Quebec that federalist have is almost total. CBC SRC TQS La Presse, Le Soleil, BCE, Power Corporation, info 690, Corus communication, Astral...PLC, PLQ

Its like for american who cannont really know what's happening in Irak. Its propaganda , like CNN, FOX NEWS, NBC..

like Canada kick Ass and La Liberation but we dont spend public money like liberals do.




referendum shit reply: we hade 2 referendums on souverainte

1980: 40% yes 60% no (long boring question about souverainete-association)

1995: 49,7% yes 50,3% no (still long boring question about indepence)


But in 1965 ther was like 7% separatists
1970: 15-20%
1976: 38%
1980: 40%
1992: 66% (after Meech)
1995: 49,7%

And now ? survey say + or- 46% of all population in Québec, But for french speaking it +or - 62% yes, english +or- 95% no

Before 1980 referendum servey said 32% yes
Before 1995 servey said 42%

[Mustang1]

Hmm…how curious? The little twit separatist fails to respond to my utter dismantling of his bogus historical claims. Evidently you don’t know shit about history, but you want us to believe you have a clue about politics? Please.

Let me guess, “we” are swayed by federalist propaganda but you have access to only the “truth.” Talk about naïve. Your sources evidently forgot to tell you about your referenda defeats, recent provincial liberal victory and the fact that your little sovereignty-association horseshit is dead because the rest of Canada won’t be coerced into accept it. Got it? Believe want you want – it’s actually immaterial – Canada is politically unbroken and there’s not a damn thing you cant do about it.

Keep trying goof – your inability to persuade anyone into empathizing with your imagined persecution at the hands of Canada won’t wash and the fact that you believe your own press only serves notice that you are naïve simpleton. In essence, you are not very bright and so far, you’ve nothing to alter that notion. Hey, perhaps you could offer some more “history”? That’s always fun.

LysPatriote LysPatriote:

like Canada kick Ass and La Liberation but we dont spend public money like liberals do.

Sure about that? Think long and hard (ask someone for help, if you must) before trying to defuse this bomb.

$1:

referendum shit reply: we hade 2 referendums on souverainte

1980: 40% yes 60% no (long boring question about souverainete-association)

1995: 49,7% yes 50,3% no (still long boring question about indepence)


But in 1965 ther was like 7% separatists
1970: 15-20%
1976: 38%
1980: 40%
1992: 66% (after Meech)
1995: 49,7%

And now ? survey say + or- 46% of all population in Québec, But for french speaking it +or - 62% yes, english +or- 95% no

Before 1980 referendum servey said 32% yes
Before 1995 servey said 42%

Nice analysis moron. There’s a huge difference between polls and actual elections (take university political science and you’ll find this out) and besides, what’s your point? Still 0 for 2 in referenda (its “referenda” plural) and yet you refuse to accept the democratic decision (not that I personally endorse the validity of this kind of plebiscite) So, all you’ve demonstrated is that most people don’t want to leave (and besides did the poll say “separation” or “sovereignty-association” big difference!) and when it's put to a vote you disingenuous, nationalistic bigots refuse to honour the results. Want to give up yet? I’ll just embarrass you more in the future.

[LysPatriote]

The federal stole the 1995 Referendum, By spending illegal money in the no camp, about 50 millions more then the Yes camp (Chuck Guité tel us that). Every camp ad not more than 5 millions for the campanain to spend.

Other point, diring the last years before the referendum, Federals give canadien right to vote to more than 90 000 new imigrants so than they vote no. we lost by less than 50 000 votes , you understant that we cannot just give up, pack our bag and shut up.

Imagine if it was the Yes who won by 0,3% and you find out that we have cheated in many ways, Nerver you woud except that resolt.