So Toronto Sun is retard? People from Manitoba are retard ?
lol they are federalist-english-canadians. If you like to insult your people its ok. I copy-paste it.
Unity: Don't be scared, be creative
Richard Gwyn
Toronto Star Friday, April 29, 2005
We can't bring ourselves to admit it, but Quebec already has all but separated . Although it really sticks in the craw to cite him as an authority, Alphonso Gagliano, the disgraced former Liberal cabinet minister, is probably correct when he says Quebec's separation is now "unstoppable."
In politics, nothing is ever certain. Luck breaks every which way. But the probability is that Gagliano has blurted out the truth. The signs are indeed as bleak as they can get.
Support for separation has jumped to 54 per cent in some Quebec polls. Federalism has been deeply smeared and dirtied by the sponsorship scandal. The next federal government, probably a minority Conservative one as the only available alternative to the smeared and dirtied Liberals, will have no MPs from Quebec, while the pro-separatist Bloc Québécois, headed by the attractive Gilles Duceppe, will win more seats than ever before. All of this is today's and tomorrow's bad news. The news from the days afterwards will be even worse.
The 2007 election in Quebec is very likely to be won by the pro-separatist Parti Québécois, headed by that same likeable Duceppe in place of the PQ's current leader, the unlikeable Bernard Landry. Thereafter, a referendum will follow as night does day. Exhaustion, on both sides, will probably produce a separatist win, at last.
Woe is us, therefore. Canada is doomed. We'll soon all become Americans, or, worse, have to beg them to take us in, which they don't in the least want to do. Crises do compel everyone to concentrate their minds as they never have before. Why not start doing this before the crisis breaks, by concentrating on what actually would be happening?
The single most important fact about a vote for separation by Quebecers is, as it always has been, that right afterwards Quebec won't float off into mid-Atlantic. It will stay where it is. So, stay cool. The next most important fact is that separation is no longer the convulsive political deal that it used to be. The Soviet Union is no more. Czechoslovakia is no more. The old Yugoslavia is no more. East Timor has separated from Indonesia. Iraq may divide up into its Sunni, Shiite and Kurdish, components.
To a considerable degree, we've already divided ourselves up. All the businesses that might leave a separated Quebec have already left. Anglo-Quebecers have either left or have accommodated themselves to being a minority within another nation. This silent separation, as it could be called, leads to the third cardinal fact about our circumstances. This is that Quebec is already separate, except that we can't bring ourselves to admit it.
Some legal and symbolic interconnections do remain. But these really aren't that much different from Canada's interconnections with Britain (our Constitution technically remained British until 1982), which survived long after we had become wholly independent, in fact. To Quebecers today, the national government - the one at Ottawa - is essentially irrelevant, except as a kind of banker. In other words, they make almost all their own political choices, with the global economy as influential an outside force in framing these choices as the rest of Canada is.
A last vital fact: The solution long proposed by the separatists is not separation but sovereignty-association. No one knows what that means, including the separatists. But it may not mean that much of a difference. Quebec today is separate within Canada. Tomorrow, it could be separate within some kind of Canada-Quebec condominium.
This would preserve our sense of being a coast-to-coast community. It would be a pure illusion, of course. But no less of an illusion than our present one that Quebec is a province like the others. And in the famous phrase, most nation-states are "imagined communities."
So get imaginative, rather than scared, or angry.
ANd that :
Divided we stand
Written by Paul Jackson
Perhaps having an independent Quebec would be better for Canadians
A few weeks back Bloc Quebecois Leader Gilles Duceppe did a western swing and a comment he made has been whispering around in my mind ever since.
Now, Duceppe has often been mocked by his opponents, and having once been a Marxist-Leninist, it’s relatively easy to portray him as being off-the-wall, but by most assessments he was the most articulate of all four federal party leaders during the 2004 federal election campaign.
And, as for his Marxist-Leninist period, most of us have either said, or done, some pretty foolish things during our lives.
What the Bloc leader said that has been whispering in my mind during his stop-off in Calgary and other points West, was that what passes for English-Canada would be much happier in the long run if Quebec were an independent country, and that Quebecers would certainly be much happier. Both of us would have a much better, more friendly, relationship.
I’m starting to believe Duceppe may well be right.
Now, for a long, long time I was hauled into the ‘Quebec is part of my country’ idea and aghast when someone suggested maybe we should let Quebec go.
My reasoning partly being (A) Quebec is a part of Canada so why hand it over to a bunch of radical separatist fanatics, and (B), that the rest of the world is coming together—the borderless European Union, of which I am a great supporter being perhaps the best example—so why would Quebec want to go in the opposite direction?
Wanting to become a rather small, insignificant entity rather than being part of a large, supposedly world-respected entity hardly seemed rational.
But in recent months, an awakening has started to happen to my thought processes on ‘La belle province,’ and I can’t really see why we should spend yet another decade exhausting ourselves in order to try and continue to buy off one province.
This growing mood really hit home this past week when a new poll showed 54% of Quebecers surveyed would now vote for separation, up a dramatic 10% in the past year. Significantly, 37% of those polled said the inquiry under the auspices of Mr. Justice John Gomery into the Liberal AdScam affair has been influential in either hardening their support for separation or shifting their views on the issue.
We in English Canada often think French-Canadians believe patronage, bribes, payoffs and kickbacks are all part of the game. That they see nothing dishonest in these tactics.
Worth noting then that it is Quebec where the Gomery inquiry has had its worst fallout. French-Canadians have been glued to their TV sets day-after-day and week-after-week watching the revelations of Liberal perfidy unfold from the inquiry as if it were some top-rated soap opera.
They are not amused—indeed, they are incensed by what Jean Chretien’s and Paul Martin’s Liberals have been doing.
So incensed, an increasing number of them—rational ones, too, not just separatist radicals—do not want to be part of such a rotten system any longer.
The irony is for several decades the hypocritical Liberal party and its governments have contended they are the only ones who can fight separatism and ‘save’ Canadian Confederation.
Today we see that because of Liberal corruption—and the grab of provincial rights from Quebec—which also echoes in Alberta’s fury towards Liberal Ottawa—it’s the likes of Pierre Trudeau, Chretien and Martin who have spurred disenchantment in Quebec and across Canada.
In last year’s federal election the Bloc took 54 of Quebec’s 75 seats, and the Liberals 21. It’s suggested in the coming election Duceppe’s party could win all but half-a-dozen seats.
This coupled with the almost certain defeat of Premier Jean Charest’s provincial Liberals, would mean Quebec would be governed and represented in both provincial and federal politics by the two parties whose main objective is independence.
How realistically could a smattering of provincial governments in English Canada, and English-language MPs sitting in the House of Commons, fight such forces.
Perhaps we have to accept what Duceppe and his supporters believe is inevitable (and what many in English Canada believe, too).
Maybe we really would both be happier separate, but with the same kind of trade, economic, military and various alliances other independent nations share with each other.
Think about it—and without emotion—because no number of Liberal platitudes, hucksterism—and certainly not bribes—are going to bind Quebecers to Canada now.
http://www.conservativegroundswell.com/
Why these guy ( from toronto and the Prairies ) say that? There are wrong or not?
CKA Super Elite 
