[KyleEverett]

That's because after many years of strong presidents, Americans have forgotten that constitutionally they're quite weak. Any power they do have has been legislated to them by Congress.

People need to see the President as less of the policy maker of his party and more of the final stop for bills and the smooth running of the executive branch.

[Tman1]

Maybe those 'gay politicians' have experience in politics and can do the job regardless of their sexuality......just a thought.

[JJ]

Maybe you should actually read what I wrote before making stupid trite comments.

[Tman1]

I wasn't commenting on what 'you' wrote but rather a general opinion on the subject title dummy but yes what a trite stupid comment, pardon me.

[JJ]

You don't just jump into a forum post having only read the subject title and then spit out some random comment. Have a bit of respect for the people that are tying to have a serious discussion here.

[Tman1]

Sorry, you the forum police? I'll post what I want, when I want. You are hardly the epitome of forum etiquette calling ones post 'trite and stupid' when you haven't posted reasons why. That is called a 'discussion' which you have just formulated here because you have a problem with my post apparently. Did you disagree or agree with it or just 'randomly' spit something out according to your own words...I'll wait.

[JJ]

Your comment, "Maybe those 'gay politicians' have experience in politics and can do the job regardless of their sexuality," makes absolutely no sense in the context of what is being discussed here. It's rude to just come along and post "what you want when you want" when other people are in the midst of having a discussion about a topic you can't be bothered to get up to speed on. I'm sorry if that's hard to understand.

[Tman1]

I'd say my comment is within the bounds of this current topic. You replied with a seeming problem with it yet can't come up with anything other than that my post was 'obtrusive' to your justifications. My question is, why didn't you just ignore it?

[Psudo]

The question isn't whether gay politicians can do the job (the point you addressed), but rather what differences in social and institutional structures affect the election outcomes of gay candidates. What have any of your comments, Tman1, had to do with that?

You're discussing homophobia, we're discussing civics.

[Quantum_Wizard]

Tman1 Tman1:

I wasn't commenting on what 'you' wrote but rather a general opinion on the subject title

Actually your comment doesn't make sense in that context either since the title isn't about why gay politicians get elected but rather why they get elected more often in some countries than others.

It's usually advisable to read the actual posts and not just the thread title to avoid making utterly irrelevant posts.

[Tman1]

Psudo Psudo:

The question isn't whether gay politicians can do the job (the point you addressed), but rather what differences in social and institutional structures affect the election outcomes of gay candidates. What have any of your comments, Tman1, had to do with that?

You're discussing homophobia, we're discussing civics.

Wrong again. Whether they are gay or not, why should that matter? Why does being gay or otherwise have to do with politics? Why should it? Who flaunts their sexuality in politics???? I have good questions and still within the bounds of this discussion. Homophobia? Show me where in my comments indicate homophobia. What do my comments have to do with that? How would we know this unless these gay candidates openly express themselves as being gay? We know these people are gay? Can they do the job? Are there people out there who won't vote for gay people regardless of political experience??? Damn, refer back to my original comment and ponder that rather than dismissing it as 'irrelevant'.

[Tman1]

Quantum_Wizard Quantum_Wizard:

Tman1 Tman1:

I wasn't commenting on what 'you' wrote but rather a general opinion on the subject title

Actually your comment doesn't make sense in that context either since the title isn't about why gay politicians get elected but rather why they get elected more often in some countries than others.

It's usually advisable to read the actual posts and not just the thread title to avoid making utterly irrelevant posts.

Whether it is irrelevant or not is not up to you and I can post what I want. The point of gay politicians is a vast broad topic and I posted what I thought. You and your buddy don't like it, I don't care. Ignore it. Why post about my comment being irrelevant to the subject at hand? Why make a big issue out of it?

$1:

It's usually advisable to read the actual posts and not just the thread title to avoid making utterly irrelevant posts.

Get back to me when you indicate how my post is irrelevant. Otherwise, yours is just as irrelevant. JJ himself wanted a discussion. Seems like he is shirking his duties and going nowhere with it.

[Lemmy]

Tman1 Tman1:

Wrong again. Whether they are gay or not, why should that matter? Why does being gay or otherwise have to do with politics? Why should it?

Well, let me first say that I support gay rights. 100%. I'm a true liberal. To each his own, everyone ought to be free to live their life as they choose. The government has no place in the bedrooms, etc, etc. But, I would not, personally, vote for an openly gay politican. I think we want smart people in government. You don't have to be all that smart to know what a penis is for. If you can't figure out the proper place to stick that thing, that tells me you're not very smart. So be gay, knock yourself out, but don't expect me to want you making decisions on my behalf.

[Yogi]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Tman1 Tman1:

Wrong again. Whether they are gay or not, why should that matter? Why does being gay or otherwise have to do with politics? Why should it?

Well, let me first say that I support gay rights. 100%. I'm a true liberal. To each his own, everyone ought to be free to live their life as they choose. The government has no place in the bedrooms, etc, etc. But, I would not, personally, vote for an openly gay politican. I think we want smart people in government. You don't have to be all that smart to know what a penis is for. If you can't figure out the proper place to stick that thing, that tells me you're not very smart. So be gay, knock yourself out, but don't expect me to want you making decisions on my behalf.

Are you confusing or discerning between 'openly gay', and 'flaming, radical queer', when you made that statement Lemmy. I wouldn't vote for the latter, but I have a few friends in the former group who have 'the political smarts' to run for office, and if they did, depending on their platform', I might vote for them.

[Lemmy]

Yogi Yogi:

Are you confusing or discerning between 'openly gay', and 'flaming, radical queer', when you made that statement Lemmy. I wouldn't vote for the latter, but I have a few friends in the former group who have 'the political smarts' to run for office, and if they did, depending on their platform', I might vote for them.

No, I only said "openly gay" because if a person is in the closet, I might vote for them not knowing their sexuality. I'd just have a tough time trusting anyone's judgement if they can't figure out what their dick is supposed to be used for.

My position on religious folks is the same. I have nothing against religious people, to each their own, believe what you want. But don't expect me to trust your judgement enough to vote for you if you believe in ancient fairy tails.