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Should our leaders be Canadian citizens exclusively?
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No, the shoulds be Canadian citizens exclusively.  56%  [ 9 ]
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 6:09 am
 


I'll have the Normans Tman, but they were a warrior creed within France. They had links to the Celts as well as the Norse. Kind of super-French really. Glad we got them and not Le Canadien's whiny bunch!

You are right though, all this shit has been re-hashed once or twice on here.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 6:58 am
 


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Oh here we go again. Did Victoria the whore invent the name "Canada"?
Or did she take it (steal) from someone else? And would that someone else be Jacques Cartier, a frenchman?
Keep playing your childish word games, it has been proven to you with four old maps. Canada existed before 1759, and therefore before 1867.


Just because your invading armies thought the original inhabitants called the land "Canada" or "Kanada" on undoctored maps does not excuse the fact that they were conquering the territory while changing the name to "New France". The french invaders did not call their territory "Canada" and did not refer to themselves as "Canadians". It was the british who brought all this about after sending the french scuring away yet again. Unlike you sepa-rats of today the remaining french were generously given the opportunity to build a great nation that would someday repay the favour and help an ally in trouble and liberate the people who abandonded you.

BTW, its obvious that cartier didn't invent the word either, he just wasn't intelligent enough to realize what it meant. Ancestor of yours?

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Yes, and before that? You don't want to know about before that because it wasn't british? And you want me to deal with your illusionist vision of history where the world started spining the day the english won a war?
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Canada was not a british colony, it was called this way between 1759 and 1867 to hide the presence of the habitants. Canada was a british province (conquered territory), not a british colony. The habitants were here for more than a century before the british military invasion. Twist the facts all you want, we are still here, so you lost. Ha ha ha!


The facts are you were a french colony before yet another glorious french military defeat (is there anything but french military defeats?) and at the kings commande the colonies became British. You invaded the land and then lost it. You were never the original inhabitants, the land was never truly yours because it belonged to the king of france, being that it was a french colony. He gave it to the British, hence the land was not stolen. Those are the facts. The fact that frenchmen remain in Canada was because the british saw wisdom in creating a country built from both setlers. If only we could have weeded out the rats like you. C'est la Vie.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 7:24 am
 


Well said Derby!


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I noticed how you conveniently omitted the fact that you thought Giovanni Caboto was French. He wasn’t – he was an Italian-born explorer that sailed under the English flag was French. You were wrong! You are so blatantly ignorant and anti-English that you thought anyone that set foot in the New World was French! WRONG! This is simply symptomatic of a greater malady – wilful ignorance. You don’t have the foggiest notion about Canadian history and I’ll illustrate it every time. Cabot was French? Brilliant.

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And this coming from the halfwit neophyte that thinks Cabot was French? Hey…loser are you enjoying your recent ban? Perhaps while you are off sulking you could pick up a history book and get a clue? It saves us the hassle of correcting your garbage

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“They also called it New-France, yes. You saying "also" is like admiting the fact. It was already called "Canada" before 1867.”


Yeah…it was called New France. Before 1867, it was a British colony that consisted of Canada West, East, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Newfoundland and Prince Edward Island. There were colonies, dumbass. These colonies became the nation-state of Canada after 1867. Semantics won’t save your crumbling argument.

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“Oh here we go again. Did Victoria the whore invent the name "Canada"?
Or did she take it (steal) from someone else? And would that someone else be Jacques Cartier, a frenchman?”


Queen Victoria, my uneducated chum, signed the Dominion of Canada’s constitution into law on March 29, 1867. Before that, this was a collection of British colonies. She didn’t “steal” anything, as the name already existed as Cartier “stole” it from the aboriginals.

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“Keep playing your childish word games, it has been proven to you with four old maps. Canada existed before 1759, and therefore before 1867.”


I’ve been proven wrong? This is coming from the scholar that thinks Caboto was French. Please. New France existed before 1867. So did Canada West. So did Nova Scotia. So did Newfoundland. Your pitiful attempt at Gallic propaganda won’t alter the notion that while the etymological origins likely were found with French exploration, (although, it is clearly an aboriginal term), the name “Canada” did not achieve true prominence until Confederation delegates adopted it as the name of a new nation. One that was, unlike New France, a successful venture.

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“Yes, and before that? You don't want to know about before that because it wasn't british?”


I’ve already correctly addressed what existed “here” (a term that is somewhat geographically misleading). The fact that your untrained intellect can’t recognize that is largely immaterial.

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“And you want me to deal with your illusionist vision of history where the world started spining the day the english won a war?”


Never once said that. Nor did I suggest Cabot was French, either. 8)

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“Canada was not a british colony, it was called this way between 1759 and 1867 to hide the presence of the habitants.”


Canada was a British Colony. Denial or historical misrepresentation won’t modify that objective fact. It was a collection of British Colonies and perhaps in your infinite wisdom you could explain how the Quebec Act tried to “hide the presense of the habitants”? Uh-oh…you got caught in another historical misstep. Sensing a trend?

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“Canada was a british province (conquered territory), not a british colony.”


Correction. British North American was a British colony. New France was conquered territory.

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“The habitants were here for more than a century before the british military invasion.”


Point? They were here after the British victory too.

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“Of course, the british never steal. They simply defeat inferior foes and take their stuff while they are knocked out. Right...
That's one way (a biased one) of looking at things.”


And the French never steal either? Nice try – they are as culpable as their contemporary imperial counterparts in this regard. The British did defeat an inferior foe – one who was planning on invading the home isle in 1759. The seven years war was a legitimate conflict that saw the French’s colonial overextension exploited. They lost. The British were victorious. You can put whatever Gallic spin you want on things – we’ve all seen your blatant bastardization of history before – but it doesn’t change the fact that France lost.

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“You must be quoting "The british imperialist view on world history", you brain-washed m...n.”


Nope. My history books are historiographically sound (they are multi-discipline approaches that are culturally balanced). Just because you are oblivious to Cartier and Jean Francois de la Roque’s failed settlement attempts (this was before Champlain), doesn’t mean they didn’t happen (care to challenge it? That should be entertaining). It only draws attention to your limited historical knowledge. Besides, unlike whatever Separatist, Anti-Canadian, preschool pamphlets you labour over, my book also don’t claim Cabot was French.

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“Good night, and good luck in getting a brain, if you can find one that is square enough to fit in that head of yours...”


Enjoy your ban. Read a history book. Get your nurse to increase the dosage. Adjust your tinfoil hat. Practise rationalizing your ignorance. You just got schooled.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 8:07 am
 


Good gravy, you get busy for just a few days and then come back to find that the Plains of Abraham has been fought once more, just now in a virtual battlefield. Uh-oh, the French still lost!

Derby,

I hate playing Devil's Advocate, but Napoleon had a damn good run of French victories. Also, the Marquis de Lafayette wasn't a big slouch himself. But, other than that, the French are on a two-hundred year losing skid. Last ass-kickers of the French? The Vietnamese!

Le Canadien,

The French got a wonderful deal after their ignominous defeat. If you don't care to see that, walk on down to the St. Lawrence and wait with open arms for Mother France to sail on over and liberate you. If you get tired or bored, I can send poutine and tape Star Acadamie for you.


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I hate playing Devil's Advocate, but Napoleon had a damn good run of French victories. Also, the Marquis de Lafayette wasn't a big slouch himself. But, other than that, the French are on a two-hundred year losing skid. Last ass-kickers of the French? The Vietnamese!


You are correct. He did meet his "waterloo" though. :lol: Haven't seen you around the forum in quite some time, vacation?


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 8:23 am
 


Unfortunately, busy in the real world. I do try to find the time.


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Yup, Dayseed has a point. Nappy was truly an inspirational warrior who fought his way up to his position. He was from Corsica and not mainland Surrender-ville so maybe that explains it.

He gave Wellington a good run for his money. I spent time at St Helena and the Ascensions during the Falklands War. Interesting stuff re his exile on both islands.

Besides Nappy our Gallic cousins are not known for being warriors of note.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 8:44 am
 


Eyebrock,

Lest we forget, the Genoans handed over Corsica in the Treaty of Versailles in 1768. France had to quell the insurrections of the Corsicans who did NOT want to be French. Our pal Napoleon was born a scant year later. Much like New France wasn't a real country, Napoleon wasn't a real Frenchman. During school, he was most impressed by the Romans and sought to recreate the Pax Romana in his contemporary Europe. He used the tattered remains of France to craft his empire.

So, one could technically say that Napoleon won battles in the NAME of the French without actually being truly French. It hurts the Gallic war record to remove old Nappy, but then again, who hasn't hurt the Gallic war record? Zing!


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 8:53 am
 


I knew the Corsicans were reluctant Frenchies but I wasn't aware how close the timelines were! I have heard that there is a move afoot in Corsica to gain more autonomy from France.

Wow, the only great leader they ever had wasn't even a proper Frenchie!

It get's worse!


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I agree. Napoleon was CONCEIVED as a Genoan but BORN into French occupation. The insurrections were put down in early 1769 at which point Corsica was officially a French colony. Old Nappy was born later that summer.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 10:31 am
 


Dayseed Dayseed:
Unfortunately, busy in the real world. I do try to find the time.


What is this real world of which you speak?


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EyeBrock EyeBrock:
I knew the Corsicans were reluctant Frenchies but I wasn't aware how close the timelines were! I have heard that there is a move afoot in Corsica to gain more autonomy from France.

Wow, the only great leader they ever had wasn't even a proper Frenchie!

It get's worse!


Even Charlamange wasn't even French... Wow this is funny shit. I knew France was pathetic but this is just laughable. Let us laugh. Ha. Haha. Hahahaha. MUAHAHAH! *caugh*


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The Hoser The Hoser:
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
I knew the Corsicans were reluctant Frenchies but I wasn't aware how close the timelines were! I have heard that there is a move afoot in Corsica to gain more autonomy from France.

Wow, the only great leader they ever had wasn't even a proper Frenchie!

It get's worse!


Even Charlamange wasn't even French... Wow this is funny shit. I knew France was pathetic but this is just laughable. Let us laugh. Ha. Haha. Hahahaha. MUAHAHAH! *caugh*

Who do you think the French came from? Who ruled France after William I? What language did they speak?


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