[Yogi]

Can we have it both ways? Is it possible to be pro life and at the same time pro-death penalty? It would seem to be a contradiction in terms or the musings of a hypocrite.How can you be for one and not the other?

I'm pro-life in that the baby exists by the actions of others and deserves every chance society can provide. If the parents can't or won't take the responsibility, there are many others who would be very happy to take on the honor. In view of these facts, the 'rape' angle doesn't fly!

I am also pro-death penalty. A person who causes the death of another, by means of a WILLFUL act or gross negligence; ie impaired driving, assault etc. has at that point forfeited the right to live.

[Banff]

soooo correct me if I'm wrong but that would mean each abortion would have to be made legal only by the death sentence of the mother ?

[Brenda]

Probably

$1:

If the parents can't or won't take the responsibility, there are many others who would be very happy to take on the honor. In view of these facts, the 'rape' angle doesn't fly!

You think a raped woman will carry a rapists child for 9 months, and feel good about that, and give it away? I think men should really be educated here... Not only about pregnancies, but also about women in general! Jesus, how the hell can you make such a statement!

[bootlegga]

Yogi Yogi:

Can we have it both ways? Is it possible to be pro life and at the same time pro-death penalty? It would seem to be a contradiction in terms or the musings of a hypocrite.How can you be for one and not the other?

I'm pro-life in that the baby exists by the actions of others and deserves every chance society can provide. If the parents can't or won't take the responsibility, there are many others who would be very happy to take on the honor. In view of these facts, the 'rape' angle doesn't fly!

I am also pro-death penalty. A person who causes the death of another, by means of a WILLFUL act or gross negligence; ie impaired driving, assault etc. has at that point forfeited the right to live.

This is the hypocrisy that drove me from the Church. I used to go, but I feel that this one point was enough for me to leave. Jesus said "Turn the other cheek" and that's good enough for me. After all, we are supposed to be 'Christians', not Old Testamentians.

As for your comment that there are plenty of others who will take these babies, then why do we have so many in foster homes? If in reality you were correct, we wouldn't have foster homes at all. Instead, we have thousands of children in Alberta alone in foster homes.

[Banff]

bootlegga bootlegga:

Yogi Yogi:

Can we have it both ways? Is it possible to be pro life and at the same time pro-death penalty? It would seem to be a contradiction in terms or the musings of a hypocrite.How can you be for one and not the other?

I'm pro-life in that the baby exists by the actions of others and deserves every chance society can provide. If the parents can't or won't take the responsibility, there are many others who would be very happy to take on the honor. In view of these facts, the 'rape' angle doesn't fly!

I am also pro-death penalty. A person who causes the death of another, by means of a WILLFUL act or gross negligence; ie impaired driving, assault etc. has at that point forfeited the right to live.

This is the hypocrisy that drove me from the Church. I used to go, but I feel that this one point was enough for me to leave. Jesus said "Turn the other cheek" and that's good enough for me. After all, we are supposed to be 'Christians', not Old Testamentians.

As for your comment that there are plenty of others who will take these babies, then why do we have so many in foster homes? If in reality you were correct, we wouldn't have foster homes at all. Instead, we have thousands of children in Alberta alone in foster homes.

yeah that is so true , foster parent homes are in demand and it isn't pretty ...how hard of an experience it can be for young people especially knowing they really don't have a mother or father and sometimes no contact with their siblings .

[Banff]

Brenda Brenda:

ROTFL Probably

$1:

If the parents can't or won't take the responsibility, there are many others who would be very happy to take on the honor. In view of these facts, the 'rape' angle doesn't fly!

You think a raped woman will carry a rapists child for 9 months, and feel good about that, and give it away? I think men should really be educated here... Not only about pregnancies, but also about women in general! Jesus, how the hell can you make such a statement!

and I always thought the only way to get pregnant is through rape ie alcohol , good pickup lines , con jobs , and sucking women in with diamonds, money , and an SUV ....

[Yogi]

Banff Banff:

soooo correct me if I'm wrong but that would mean each abortion would have to be made legal only by the death sentence of the mother ?

Did the baby cause the death of another human being?

[Banff]

Yogi Yogi:

Banff Banff:

soooo correct me if I'm wrong but that would mean each abortion would have to be made legal only by the death sentence of the mother ?

Did the baby cause the death of another human being?

nope so I can't and won't say that I completely disagree with you ...sometimes I wonder where the line should be drawn if at all ...the topic reminds me of the true story about the boy whose skin fell off and as much as he was happy to have lived it was very painful but worth the time he had . I think rape is 99.99999999999% a lie and used as an excuse .

[Yogi]

I'm going to make an 'unqualified statement' here.
The majority of children in foster homes are there at the behest of their own parents. ie hard to handle etc. or parents incapable of raising them, seized and 'placed' by social services, but unwilling to sign adoption papers.

I don't doubt for a second that 'pregnancy via rape' is a traumatic experience. However, what has the child who has been conceived done to deserve death?

At what point does a 'flame' become a 'fire'?

[Banff]

Yogi Yogi:

I'm going to make an 'unqualified statement' here.
The majority of children in foster homes are there at the behest of their own parents. ie hard to handle etc. or parents incabable of raising them, seized and 'placed' by social services, but unwilling to sign adoption papers.

I don't doubt for a second that 'pregnancy via rape' is a traumatic experience. However, what has the child who has been conceived done to deserve death?

no , does not deserve death, but this argument has come up before and the reality is that it is the womans choice right or wrong .....

[TattoodGirl]

Yogi Yogi:

I'm going to make an 'unqualified statement' here.
The majority of children in foster homes are there at the behest of their own parents. ie hard to handle etc. or parents incapable of raising them, seized and 'placed' by social services, but unwilling to sign adoption papers.

I don't doubt for a second that 'pregnancy via rape' is a traumatic experience. However, what has the child who has been conceived done to deserve death?

At what point does a 'flame' become a 'fire'?

Oh Yogi, I have some lovely little stories for you about the joys of adoption, being raised in care....and from working with women who had been forced to carry children that were concieved due to rape......

Before you make an unqualified statement, please educate yourself, listen to peoples stories of their lives before you pass judgement.....

anytime Yogi you want to hear truths about what is like and what happens to said children, drop me a PM...I'll gladly share if you have an open mind that is....

[TattoodGirl]

What im disgusted the most about is the people that state they are Pro-Life are the same people who would cut social spending in a heartbeat....

More single mothers will be on the system, More children in care, More addictions (yes more addictions), More special education spending, And give it time more crime.....If abortion was deemed illegal.

[Yogi]

[quote="TattoodGirl"][

Before you make an unqualified statement, please educate yourself, listen to peoples stories of their lives before you pass judgement.....

I tried to respond a few hours ago but something wrong with my connection or the forum.

I said 'unqualified' in as much as I never had to live in a foster home. I know that they aren;t all the 'gift from heaven' that many purport them to be.

I have 2 sisters-in-law who are both career social workers. One works with kid's with a wide range of problems as well as those who are hard to place. The other works in a large hospital. She of course has a large clientel including counseling women in regards to abortion and educating them on what their options are and then putting her own beliefs aside. Helping them as she can with that choice.

I myself have adopted 2 children and for a time lived with the 'YOU AREN'T MY DAD' rant. Usually spoken in anger. Like when ever I said "NO"! Today we are all very close.

My oldest sister came to us thru adoption. She lived in an orphanage until she was 10 years old. I heard many of the horror stories and there are many I am sure that I will never hear.

We also had 3 foster children in our home as I was growing up. I heard some 'real stories' from them as well and never had reason to doubt them.

As terrible and true as many of these stories are, they can no way 'justify' abortion!

[Wally_Sconce]

Brenda Brenda:

ROTFL Probably

$1:

If the parents can't or won't take the responsibility, there are many others who would be very happy to take on the honor. In view of these facts, the 'rape' angle doesn't fly!

You think a raped woman will carry a rapists child for 9 months, and feel good about that, and give it away? I think men should really be educated here... Not only about pregnancies, but also about women in general! Jesus, how the hell can you make such a statement!

OMG! raped women have been bearing the children for hundreds of years, it only recently that women have talked themselves into a frenzy whene they believe it is absolutely esential to kill the baby for the henous crimes of the father.

[ShepherdsDog]

$1:

You think a raped woman will carry a rapists child for 9 months

It's also her child and rather than punishing the child for the crimes of the father, why not eliminate the father. Society has no use for rapists other than landfill material.