[Delwin]

Seems if Harper can't get things done in a democratic way, he'll just stack the committes with his cronies in order to try to push his fringe agenda. He's loaded his firearms advisory committee with the most biased partisan voices he could find, in an attempt to silence dissenting voices. Straight out of his "dirty tricks manual".

The Conservatives also took the unusual step of recruiting the members without any public announcements.More openness and accountabilty.

$1:

She and other Liberal MPs were reacting to a report in Monday's Toronto Star that said almost all 12 members of the committee that advises the government on gun issues are outspoken proponents of gun use, opposed to the Liberal-formed gun registry that has long been attacked by the Conservatives.

According to the Star, one member of the committee is Dr. Mike Ackermann, a Nova Scotia doctor who has argued that dozens of lives could have been saved in the Virginia Tech massacre if students had been armed with guns. Thirty-two people died on campus when an armed student opened fire in April.

Another panel member is Tony Bernardo of the Canadian Institute of Legislative Action, who described one of the guns used by the Dawson College gunman as a pistol that is a lot of fun to shoot, the Star reported.

Here's a pick of another member Gary Mauser, from the Canadian National Firearms Association. He is part of the Conservative government's firearms advisory committee. I can't think of a more devious way to try to push your agenda. Harper is turning our democracy into an absolute joke!!

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/05/ ... ittee.html

[Freakinoldguy]

And how does this specific government action differ from the Liberals appointing two supreme court justices to ensure the gay marriage bill passed?

I know you'll say that gay marriage doesn't kill anyone, but the real point of the matter is that both governments have subverted the system to ensure their own political agenda's passed.

Based on your somewhat biased opinion, it would appear that it's quite alright for the Liberals to have previously done these same types of things, but it makes our democracy a joke when the Conservatives do it. Rather hypocritical wouldn't you say.

[Delwin]

Ya but the Libs....

This has nothing to do with the Libs. The Conservatives ran a platform of openness, accountability and transpancy. Now, having taken office, the have demonstrated, that all of their talk was nothing more than empty rhetoric. They have lied, bullied, and decieved at every opportunity. They have used every dirty trick in the book(which they wrote) and are pushing to make the entire process as undemocratic as possible.

When will the cons stop using the Libs as an excuse to pervert our system of government and start living up to the promisses of cleaning up government that they were elected on ?

[Freakinoldguy]

"When will the cons stop using the Libs as an excuse to pervert our system of government and start living up to the promisses of cleaning up government that they were elected on ?[/quote]

It's unlikely to happen anytime soon. The whole scenario of promising the world and then not keeping them has been going on far to long in Ottawa for any Government to change. Look at the Chretien promise "Read my lips, No more GST". I just purchased some building materials and to my suprise guess what's on the reciept, the GST. I guess the point I'm trying to make here is that nothing happens to Governments when they fail to deliver on their promises, so what's the point of trying to honour them.

Until the Canadian voting public demands that these promises be kept and ensures penalties for failing to do so, your barking up the wrong tree. Neither governing party has kept all their promises in the last 50 years and have suffered no consequences at the polls, but I'll wish you good luck in your campaign to clean up Ottawa.

[Delwin]

double post.

[Delwin]

Excellent point, the next time we go to the polls, let's send Ottawa a message and vote for change. Let's tell Harper that he can't get away with building a platform on a big pile of lies and altering our system to conform to his narrow views. The next time we go to the polls, let's vote Liberal !!

[Clogeroo]

$1:

Excellent point, the next time we go to the polls, let's send Ottawa a message and vote for change. Let's tell Harper that he can't get away with building a platform on a big pile of lies and altering our system to conform to his narrow views.

$1:

The next time we go to the polls, let's vote Liberal !!

They do the same thing. Are you that naive or delusional? Every party in the house lies this is no trait uniquely attributed to the Conservative Party.

[Delwin]

The only way to punish a party is by not voting for them. Freakinoldguy suggested that until we start punishing the parties, the corruption will continue. Hence, we need to not vote for the Cons if we want change in Ottawa. Now, Freakinoldguy is a conservative, and I am a Liberal and we are both in perfect agreement on this issue. Won't you join us on our crusade to put an end to corruption in Ottawa by not voting Conservative ?

[Clogeroo]

$1:

The only way to punish a party is by not voting for them. Freakinoldguy suggested that until we start punishing the parties, the corruption will continue. Hence, we need to not vote for the Cons if we want change in Ottawa. Now, Freakinoldguy is a conservative, and I am a Liberal and we are both in perfect agreement on this issue. Won't you join us on our crusade to put an end to corruption in Ottawa by not voting Conservative ?

I'm not going to vote for some lying grits either who are as or more corrupt than the Tories. I'm most likely going to vote for an independent if one runs in an election here or whoever gets B.C. out of this federation.

[Tricks]

Delwin Delwin:

The only way to punish a party is by not voting for them. Freakinoldguy suggested that until we start punishing the parties, the corruption will continue. Hence, we need to not vote for the Cons if we want change in Ottawa. Now, Freakinoldguy is a conservative, and I am a Liberal and we are both in perfect agreement on this issue. Won't you join us on our crusade to put an end to corruption in Ottawa by not voting Conservative ?

Newsflash. Liberals are corrupt. By voting them back in, you will be rewarding their corrupt activity.

[DerbyX]

Tricks Tricks:

Delwin Delwin:

The only way to punish a party is by not voting for them. Freakinoldguy suggested that until we start punishing the parties, the corruption will continue. Hence, we need to not vote for the Cons if we want change in Ottawa. Now, Freakinoldguy is a conservative, and I am a Liberal and we are both in perfect agreement on this issue. Won't you join us on our crusade to put an end to corruption in Ottawa by not voting Conservative ?

Newsflash. Liberals are corrupt. By voting them back in, you will be rewarding their corrupt activity.

So are the Cons. So are the NDP. They all are.

[Tricks]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Tricks Tricks:

Delwin Delwin:

The only way to punish a party is by not voting for them. Freakinoldguy suggested that until we start punishing the parties, the corruption will continue. Hence, we need to not vote for the Cons if we want change in Ottawa. Now, Freakinoldguy is a conservative, and I am a Liberal and we are both in perfect agreement on this issue. Won't you join us on our crusade to put an end to corruption in Ottawa by not voting Conservative ?

Newsflash. Liberals are corrupt. By voting them back in, you will be rewarding their corrupt activity.

So are the Cons. So are the NDP. They all are.

That's my point. Voting in another party based on another one being corrupt is like voting for one guy over the other because he doesn't look quite as ugly.

[DerbyX]

Tricks Tricks:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Tricks Tricks:

Delwin Delwin:

The only way to punish a party is by not voting for them. Freakinoldguy suggested that until we start punishing the parties, the corruption will continue. Hence, we need to not vote for the Cons if we want change in Ottawa. Now, Freakinoldguy is a conservative, and I am a Liberal and we are both in perfect agreement on this issue. Won't you join us on our crusade to put an end to corruption in Ottawa by not voting Conservative ?

Newsflash. Liberals are corrupt. By voting them back in, you will be rewarding their corrupt activity.

So are the Cons. So are the NDP. They all are.

That's my point. Voting in another party based on another one being corrupt is like voting for one guy over the other because he doesn't look quite as ugly.

Yet thats what the CPC said in the last election. Whats more they made it a centrepiece of their campaign. Now you see why all those little scandals of floor-crossing, accountability, expense account embelishments, etc mean far less then the actual issues.

[Tricks]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Tricks Tricks:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Tricks Tricks:

Delwin Delwin:

The only way to punish a party is by not voting for them. Freakinoldguy suggested that until we start punishing the parties, the corruption will continue. Hence, we need to not vote for the Cons if we want change in Ottawa. Now, Freakinoldguy is a conservative, and I am a Liberal and we are both in perfect agreement on this issue. Won't you join us on our crusade to put an end to corruption in Ottawa by not voting Conservative ?

Newsflash. Liberals are corrupt. By voting them back in, you will be rewarding their corrupt activity.

So are the Cons. So are the NDP. They all are.

That's my point. Voting in another party based on another one being corrupt is like voting for one guy over the other because he doesn't look quite as ugly.

Yet thats what the CPC said in the last election. Whats more they made it a centrepiece of their campaign. Now you see why all those little scandals of floor-crossing, accountability, expense account embelishments, etc mean far less then the actual issues.

Of course, that's why I don't choose my party based on their scandals and stupid shit that they do.

[Christy]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Tricks Tricks:

Delwin Delwin:

The only way to punish a party is by not voting for them. Freakinoldguy suggested that until we start punishing the parties, the corruption will continue. Hence, we need to not vote for the Cons if we want change in Ottawa. Now, Freakinoldguy is a conservative, and I am a Liberal and we are both in perfect agreement on this issue. Won't you join us on our crusade to put an end to corruption in Ottawa by not voting Conservative ?

Newsflash. Liberals are corrupt. By voting them back in, you will be rewarding their corrupt activity.

So are the Cons. So are the NDP. They all are.

They are. It's true.