[HyperionTheEvil]

From CTV Another corrupt Liberal Chretien appointee

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Approximately $700,000 of federal money spent by the former lieutenant-governor of Quebec, Lise Thibault, cannot be linked to her official activities, Auditor General Sheila Fraser and her Quebec counterpart said today.

Both Fraser and Quebec Auditor General Renaud Lachance released separate reports today with similar conclusions about the spending of Thibault during her time as lieutenant-governor 1997 and 2007.

In Fraser's report, she says it has "not been possible" to link the $700,000, of $1.7 million received, to any official activities of Thibault.

The audit, submitted in a report to the Minister of Canadian Heritage on Monday, showed that $239,000 was spent by Thibault on personal expenses or for activities that were not related to her official duties.

Furthermore, $129,000 was claimed from the federal government for accommodation and meal expenses that were already compensated by the province, says the report.

Another $343,200 meant to cover expenses "incurred in the provincial capital was instead considered by the former Lieutenant-Governor to be supplementary pay."

CTV's Rosemary Thompson said the report pinpointed some concrete examples of misspending.

"The auditor general found that Ms. Thibault apparently held a family birthday party to the tune of $4,000 but it was for a family member, it wasn't official duties," Thompson told CTV Newsnet from Ottawa.

Fraser also questioned expensive meals; and fishing, golf and skiing trips claimed by Thibault.

"The question is of course: Can you use the public purse to fund your personal activities in such a way?" Thompson said.

Fraser said in the report that since lieutenants-governor serve as heads of state in their provinces "they should be expected to show prudence in the use of the public funds entrusted to them.

The auditor general also wrote that "It is disappointing to find that the former Lieutenant-Governor of Quebec failed to meet this reasonable expectation."

Thompson said Thibault has written a letter to Fraser defending some of the expenses.

"She wasn't willing to provide an official commentary for this report... but she says even though she hasn't prepared an official comment it doesn't mean that she accepts the report," said Thompson.

The audit also showed that Canadian Heritage did not provide Thibault with specific guidelines for distinguishing personal expenses from official expenses.

"By agreeing to reimburse expenses that were questionable or that were claimed without adequate documentation between April 1, 1997, and March 31, 2004, Canadian Heritage implicitly approved the former Lieutenant-Governor's spending practices," said Fraser.

Lachance's report cites similar discrepancies and calls on the Canadian government to "initiate discussions with the former Lieutenant-Governor to determine the sums that she should reimburse in relation to the unjustified outlays

More typical behaviour from the Liberals , they never learn

[WBenson]

Though she was chosen by Chretien, she could hardly be described as affiliated with the party. Before her appointment, she was a civil servant not (publicly, at least) a member of the federal Liberal Party. While office, she was forbidden from being partial as the representative of the Queen in Quebec. Though what she is alleged to have done isn't proper, it's even less proper to pin it on the Liberal Party.

[sasquatch2]

LIBRANOs always try to dismiss Auditor Generals and their reports as "partisan".

INCONVENIENT TRUTHS.......

[HyperionTheEvil]

WBenson WBenson:

Though she was chosen by Chretien, she could hardly be described as affiliated with the party. Before her appointment, she was a civil servant not (publicly, at least) a member of the federal Liberal Party. While office, she was forbidden from being partial as the representative of the Queen in Quebec. Though what she is alleged to have done isn't proper, it's even less proper to pin it on the Liberal Party.

And how is she not affliated when Chretien himself reccomended her for the job? These kind of posting dont get drawn out of the hat, she was of the party faithful


http://www.enablelink.org/MakeADif/Thib ... bault.html


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Over the years, Lise Thibault has ridden the crests and troughs of many waves. In 1993, she was appointed as president and director-general of the Quebec Office of Disabled Persons (OPHQ), only to be fired two years later (with two years remaining in her mandate) by the newly elected Parti Québécois. She ran as a Liberal candidate in the 1981 provincial election and the 1984 federal election -

Hmmm huh hmmm?

[Delwin]

Lise Thibault is actually an individual with a mind of her own. She makes her own decisions, was in an appointed position, and there was no indication that Chretien had any reason to believe that she was going to act immorally.

Now unless you have some evidence that the Liberal party twisted her arm to spend money inappropriately, this is not a Liberal story, it is a Lieutenant Governor story.

She's the Queen's rep in the province, why not just blame the Queen while you are at it ?

[HyperionTheEvil]

Delwin Delwin:

Lise Thibault is actually an individual with a mind of her own. She makes her own decisions, was in an appointed position, and there was no indication that Chretien had any reason to believe that she was going to act immorally.

Now unless you have some evidence that the Liberal party twisted her arm to spend money inappropriately, this is not a Liberal story, it is a Lieutenant Governor story.

She's the Queen's rep in the province, why not just blame the Queen while you are at it ?

your not answering the evidence i gave that she is directly tied to the liberals. You denied it at first and when i provided proof that she is you return to the 'her own mind" position. She is a Liberal and chretien appointed with this new Quebec scandal in addition to the sponsorship scandal it becomes clear that Liberals are still in denial that thier party is corrupt and that it continues to this day.


And the Librals dont need to twist each each others arms to steal tax-payer money, they do that regularaly

It's a Liberal story from start to finish

[Delwin]

HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

Delwin Delwin:

Lise Thibault is actually an individual with a mind of her own. She makes her own decisions, was in an appointed position, and there was no indication that Chretien had any reason to believe that she was going to act immorally.

Now unless you have some evidence that the Liberal party twisted her arm to spend money inappropriately, this is not a Liberal story, it is a Lieutenant Governor story.

She's the Queen's rep in the province, why not just blame the Queen while you are at it ?

your not answering the evidence i gave that she is directly tied to the liberals.

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You denied it at first and when i provided proof that she is you return to the 'her own mind" position.

She is a Liberal and chretien appointed with this new Quebec scandal in addition to the sponsorship scandal it becomes clear that Liberals are still in denial that thier party is corrupt and that it continues to this day.


And the Librals dont need to twist each each others arms to steal tax-payer money, they do that regularaly

It's a Liberal story from start to finish

I didn't deny she had done work for the Liberal party 20 years ago, it was a different poster. You still haven't explained why this is a Liberal scandal. She also worked for Quebec Office of Disabled Persons (OPHQ), does this implicate this organization as well ? Lise was the only one involved in the spending, she was the only one whom had benifited, and she was the only one with knowledge. Any attempt at guilt by association is really quite hollow. She may have had Conservative friends as well, who knows ?

[HyperionTheEvil]

Delwin Delwin:

HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

Delwin Delwin:

Lise Thibault is actually an individual with a mind of her own. She makes her own decisions, was in an appointed position, and there was no indication that Chretien had any reason to believe that she was going to act immorally.

Now unless you have some evidence that the Liberal party twisted her arm to spend money inappropriately, this is not a Liberal story, it is a Lieutenant Governor story.

She's the Queen's rep in the province, why not just blame the Queen while you are at it ?

your not answering the evidence i gave that she is directly tied to the liberals.

$1:

You denied it at first and when i provided proof that she is you return to the 'her own mind" position.

She is a Liberal and chretien appointed with this new Quebec scandal in addition to the sponsorship scandal it becomes clear that Liberals are still in denial that thier party is corrupt and that it continues to this day.


And the Librals dont need to twist each each others arms to steal tax-payer money, they do that regularaly

It's a Liberal story from start to finish

I didn't deny she had done work for the Liberal party 20 years ago, it was a different poster. You still haven't explained why this is a Liberal scandal. She also worked for Quebec Office of Disabled Persons (OPHQ), does this implicate this organization as well ? Lise was the only one involved in the spending, she was the only one whom had benifited, and she was the only one with knowledge. Any attempt at guilt by association is really quite hollow. She may have had Conservative friends as well, who knows ?

Were not talking about guilt by association, were talking about a Liberal candidate and operator who has been found by the AG of Canada and quebec of misusing tax-payer funds for private benefit, and how is that not stealing. It's an systemic problem with the current crop of liberals


anyone remeber this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Volpe# ... troversies


Volpe's campaign was hindered by controversy. In May 2006, the Canadian media reported that he had received $108,000 in donations from current and former executives of the drug company Apotex Inc., and each of their spouses and children. All of the donations were for $5,400, the maximum allowed for individual donations under the law. Five cheques were in the names of children under eighteen years of age. While donations from minors are not illegal, critics charged that the Apotex contributions as a whole may have been an attempt to sidestep Canada's laws on corporate donations. NDP MP Pat Martin filed a complaint with the Elections Commissioner, asking him to investigate whether "individuals may be trying to circumvent campaign fundraising limits". Martin initially suggested that Volpe's campaign had deliberately orchestrated fraudulent donations, although he withdrew this charge after Volpe threatened a libel suit. Liberal leader Bill Graham and party director Steve MacKinnon argued that all of the donations were properly reported, and said that no rules were broken.[82]

Honestly how can people say that the Liberals are corrupt - the effrontery!

[WBenson]

sasquatch2 sasquatch2:

LIBRANOs always try to dismiss Auditor Generals and their reports as "partisan".

INCONVENIENT TRUTHS.......

I didn't say the report was partisan, I was implying that you were being unfairly so.

I never knew she had been a candidate. That doesn't mean that LGs are always partisan hacks though...at least since February 2006, from looking at a list.

[Delwin]

She ran as a Liberal in 1984 and lost. 4 leaders and a completely replaced cabinet later, and the Liberal party is responsible for her actions ? Weird. Even parents are only responsible for 18 years. That's a tough sell.

[Whos_Voting_Oil]

HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

From CTV Another corrupt Liberal Chretien appointee

$1:

Approximately $700,000 of federal money spent by the former lieutenant-governor of Quebec, Lise Thibault, cannot be linked to her official activities, Auditor General Sheila Fraser and her Quebec counterpart said today.

Both Fraser and Quebec Auditor General Renaud Lachance released separate reports today with similar conclusions about the spending of Thibault during her time as lieutenant-governor 1997 and 2007.

In Fraser's report, she says it has "not been possible" to link the $700,000, of $1.7 million received, to any official activities of Thibault.

The audit, submitted in a report to the Minister of Canadian Heritage on Monday, showed that $239,000 was spent by Thibault on personal expenses or for activities that were not related to her official duties.

Furthermore, $129,000 was claimed from the federal government for accommodation and meal expenses that were already compensated by the province, says the report.

Another $343,200 meant to cover expenses "incurred in the provincial capital was instead considered by the former Lieutenant-Governor to be supplementary pay."

CTV's Rosemary Thompson said the report pinpointed some concrete examples of misspending.

"The auditor general found that Ms. Thibault apparently held a family birthday party to the tune of $4,000 but it was for a family member, it wasn't official duties," Thompson told CTV Newsnet from Ottawa.

Fraser also questioned expensive meals; and fishing, golf and skiing trips claimed by Thibault.

"The question is of course: Can you use the public purse to fund your personal activities in such a way?" Thompson said.

Fraser said in the report that since lieutenants-governor serve as heads of state in their provinces "they should be expected to show prudence in the use of the public funds entrusted to them.

The auditor general also wrote that "It is disappointing to find that the former Lieutenant-Governor of Quebec failed to meet this reasonable expectation."

Thompson said Thibault has written a letter to Fraser defending some of the expenses.

"She wasn't willing to provide an official commentary for this report... but she says even though she hasn't prepared an official comment it doesn't mean that she accepts the report," said Thompson.

The audit also showed that Canadian Heritage did not provide Thibault with specific guidelines for distinguishing personal expenses from official expenses.

"By agreeing to reimburse expenses that were questionable or that were claimed without adequate documentation between April 1, 1997, and March 31, 2004, Canadian Heritage implicitly approved the former Lieutenant-Governor's spending practices," said Fraser.

Lachance's report cites similar discrepancies and calls on the Canadian government to "initiate discussions with the former Lieutenant-Governor to determine the sums that she should reimburse in relation to the unjustified outlays

More typical behaviour from the Liberals , they never learn

This is very dated! Pubic relation representatives of Canada like the lieutenant-governor of Quebec. Will host a vast number of people from around the country and world will incorporate some expenses. There is very little pay for the public service and most can make double or trip the money in the private sector. Most meals are not catered by McDonalds! And when you are traveling it’s not by Bus.

[HyperionTheEvil]

Whos_Voting_Oil Whos_Voting_Oil:

HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

From CTV Another corrupt Liberal Chretien appointee

$1:

Approximately $700,000 of federal money spent by the former lieutenant-governor of Quebec, Lise Thibault, cannot be linked to her official activities, Auditor General Sheila Fraser and her Quebec counterpart said today.

Both Fraser and Quebec Auditor General Renaud Lachance released separate reports today with similar conclusions about the spending of Thibault during her time as lieutenant-governor 1997 and 2007.

In Fraser's report, she says it has "not been possible" to link the $700,000, of $1.7 million received, to any official activities of Thibault.

The audit, submitted in a report to the Minister of Canadian Heritage on Monday, showed that $239,000 was spent by Thibault on personal expenses or for activities that were not related to her official duties.

Furthermore, $129,000 was claimed from the federal government for accommodation and meal expenses that were already compensated by the province, says the report.

Another $343,200 meant to cover expenses "incurred in the provincial capital was instead considered by the former Lieutenant-Governor to be supplementary pay."

CTV's Rosemary Thompson said the report pinpointed some concrete examples of misspending.

"The auditor general found that Ms. Thibault apparently held a family birthday party to the tune of $4,000 but it was for a family member, it wasn't official duties," Thompson told CTV Newsnet from Ottawa.

Fraser also questioned expensive meals; and fishing, golf and skiing trips claimed by Thibault.

"The question is of course: Can you use the public purse to fund your personal activities in such a way?" Thompson said.

Fraser said in the report that since lieutenants-governor serve as heads of state in their provinces "they should be expected to show prudence in the use of the public funds entrusted to them.

The auditor general also wrote that "It is disappointing to find that the former Lieutenant-Governor of Quebec failed to meet this reasonable expectation."

Thompson said Thibault has written a letter to Fraser defending some of the expenses.

"She wasn't willing to provide an official commentary for this report... but she says even though she hasn't prepared an official comment it doesn't mean that she accepts the report," said Thompson.

The audit also showed that Canadian Heritage did not provide Thibault with specific guidelines for distinguishing personal expenses from official expenses.

"By agreeing to reimburse expenses that were questionable or that were claimed without adequate documentation between April 1, 1997, and March 31, 2004, Canadian Heritage implicitly approved the former Lieutenant-Governor's spending practices," said Fraser.

Lachance's report cites similar discrepancies and calls on the Canadian government to "initiate discussions with the former Lieutenant-Governor to determine the sums that she should reimburse in relation to the unjustified outlays

More typical behaviour from the Liberals , they never learn

This is very dated! Pubic relation representatives of Canada like the lieutenant-governor of Quebec. Will host a vast number of people from around the country and world will incorporate some expenses. There is very little pay for the public service and most can make double or trip the money in the private sector. Most meals are not catered by McDonalds! And when you are traveling it’s not by Bus.

Dated????

Its from Yesterdy and since when does corruption have a statute of limitations???


Read it again

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Another $343,200 meant to cover expenses "incurred in the provincial capital was instead considered by the former Lieutenant-Governor to be supplementary pay."

CTV's Rosemary Thompson said the report pinpointed some concrete examples of misspending.
"The auditor general found that Ms. Thibault apparently held a family birthday party to the tune of $4,000 but it was for a family member, it wasn't official duties," Thompson told CTV Newsnet from Ottawa.

Since when does having the tax-payer pay for a family members birthday party come with the duties of an LG?

[ryan29]

"More typical behaviour from the Liberals , they never learn"


the problem is canadians in certain areas of the country keep voting for them so the liberals don't feel they ever have to learn not to do things like this. have the mentality of being the natural governing party and feel they should be in power anyways.

[ridenrain]

HyperionTheEvil: Very well done.
ANother example of some being more entitled than others.
Also sad that it took so long before we finally had an auditor who had the political freedom to call the corrupt to account.

Why can't you hacks just say this looks bad and accept that maybe somewhere, sometimes, the liberal party if crooked. If you never accept the problem, you'll never get better.

[WBenson]

ridenrain ridenrain:

Why can't you hacks just say this looks bad and accept that maybe somewhere, sometimes, the liberal party if crooked. If you never accept the problem, you'll never get better.

The LP is crooked sometimes, this just isn't an example of Liberal crookery, this is vice-regal crookery.