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“The Liberals and the Bloc tell me: rebalance the mission. What does that mean? I mean, what the hell does that mean?”

“We’ve got guys there, they’re in the most dangerous province in the country. Yes, we’re trying to do development and humanitarian assistance and we’re doing that. But the fact of the matter is that they’ve got guys shooting at them. And they’ve got the most concentrated group of enemy combatants right there. It isn’t an option to cut down the military side of the operation. They have to do what is necessary to protect the local people and protect themselves. And nothing less.”

Harper said it would be “completely irresponsible” to reduce Canada’s military mission in Afghanistan.

“If other parties want to go to the people and take that position - ‘We’d leave them there but we’d tell them not to defend themselves’ - let them explain that to the Canadian people.”

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PM would rather get booted out than pull troops from Afghanistan

By KATHLEEN HARRIS, NATIONAL BUREAU


OTTAWA -- Prime Minister Stephen Harper says he'd rather be booted from office than cut short Canada's controversial mission in Afghanistan.

Harper, whose Conservative government faces a non-confidence motion on the war from the Bloc Quebecois in mid-February, said his government has established "markers" for achieving success.

But he won't pin a date on withdrawing troops to appease the electorate.

"I will never, as prime minister of this country, abandon the short-run needs of our men and women who are in a war theatre, nor will I abandon the long-term needs, this country's long-term security interests, for any political reason, for any political poll, or anything," he said in a year-end interview with Sun Media.

"If we're defeated in the House, if we lose an election, so be it. I could not live with myself if I played political games with the lives of Canadians."

The confidence motion threatened by BQ Leader Gilles Duceppe has little chance of passing after Liberal Leader Stephane Dion said this week his party won't support it.

But Harper lashed out at the Bloc Quebecois for undermining the soldiers who are putting their lives at risk in the battle zone.

"Mr. Duceppe is a separatist and he obviously has his own motivations, and I think the sooner Mr. Dion completely distances himself from that kind of thinking, the better for the country, the better for him," he said.

The war in Afghanistan, along with the government's widely panned environmental plan, are sinking the Conservatives' popularity in Quebec, a key province in the next election. But Harper is unfazed by polls and predicts the Tories will handily win the next vote.

"A year ago, the polls had us even lower in Quebec than we are today and we won 10 seats. I'm unconcerned about it," he said.

"I don't want an election, I don't think the country wants an election, but I'll assure you if Mr. Dion fulfils his promise to the Liberal convention to force an election as soon as he can, our party will be the most ready for that election, and we'll win that election. But my preference is to govern."

Along with economic competitiveness, democratic reform and rebuilding the Canadian Forces, Harper predicted the environment will be central in the next campaign.

But he suggested chief rival Dion will have to answer for a dismal Liberal record.

"Canada has, on a range of environmental issues, some of the worst, probably the worst record, in the developed world, and Canadians are clear they want to see that changed," he said.

And while Liberal corruption won't be as central in the next campaign as it was in the last, Harper is confident Canadians are content with the country's direction under the Conservative rule.

"A year ago this country, its federal government, was paralyzed with inaction, mired in scandals and as a consequence, national unity was taking big hits, especially in Quebec," he said.

"That's changed, and I don't think Canadians are going to want to go back there unless they have some idea what the Liberals would do for them."

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"He’s even prepared to lose the next election if it means standing by the military."

oooh - there's a risky statement given his main political rivals sent the troops there in the first place and most Canadians clearly support our troops. I woonder if he's also going to campaign on a courageous stand in defense of motherhood and chocolate cake.

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Firecat Firecat:
"He’s even prepared to lose the next election if it means standing by the military."

oooh - there's a risky statement given his main political rivals sent the troops there in the first place and most Canadians clearly support our troops. I woonder if he's also going to campaign on a courageous stand in defense of motherhood and chocolate cake.

"Hey wait for me! I'm your LEADER!! How can I lead if you don't WAIT????"
Are you drunk Firecat? You aren't making any sense.


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Tricks Tricks:
Firecat Firecat:
"He’s even prepared to lose the next election if it means standing by the military."

oooh - there's a risky statement given his main political rivals sent the troops there in the first place and most Canadians clearly support our troops. I woonder if he's also going to campaign on a courageous stand in defense of motherhood and chocolate cake.

"Hey wait for me! I'm your LEADER!! How can I lead if you don't WAIT????"
Are you drunk Firecat? You aren't making any sense.


Let me try to explain then since yo don't grasp the point. There is no courage swearing to defend what the majority already support. There, do you (The part about "I'm your leeeeader" is a quote from a comedy about a parade leader running frantically to get at the front of the parade.)

I don't post under the influence, thanks - I leave that to ridenrain. Because you don't recognize literary allusions doesn't mean I'm drunk, it means you're poorly read.


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Firecat Firecat:
Tricks Tricks:
Firecat Firecat:
"He’s even prepared to lose the next election if it means standing by the military."

oooh - there's a risky statement given his main political rivals sent the troops there in the first place and most Canadians clearly support our troops. I woonder if he's also going to campaign on a courageous stand in defense of motherhood and chocolate cake.

"Hey wait for me! I'm your LEADER!! How can I lead if you don't WAIT????"
Are you drunk Firecat? You aren't making any sense.


Let me try to explain then since yo don't grasp the point. There is no courage swearing to defend what the majority already support. There, do you (The part about "I'm your leeeeader" is a quote from a comedy about a parade leader running frantically to get at the front of the parade.)

I don't post under the influence, thanks - I leave that to ridenrain. Because you don't recognize literary allusions doesn't mean I'm drunk, it means you're poorly read.
Except alot of people DON'T support the mission any more. Dion seems to be eavering in his support, and we already know the Bloc and NDP position.

As for you being drunk, it just didn't make any sense. You were talking about the troops, then chocolate cake, then some random quote I had never heard.


Oh and I would say I am fairly well "read" thank you very much.


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Tricks Tricks:
Firecat Firecat:
"He’s even prepared to lose the next election if it means standing by the military."

oooh - there's a risky statement given his main political rivals sent the troops there in the first place and most Canadians clearly support our troops. I woonder if he's also going to campaign on a courageous stand in defense of motherhood and chocolate cake.

"Hey wait for me! I'm your LEADER!! How can I lead if you don't WAIT????"
Are you drunk Firecat? You aren't making any sense.


She was making a snide remark, Then she goes on by making another remark that the Liberals already started this and have great respect for the military (which we all know is horseshit) Harper is just piling on with what the liberals already started, and we all know with Peon's French background he’d be waving the white flag faster then you can say “clarity act”


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(Sarcasm mode = ON)
Yes, the Libs sent them but their support for the mission, indeed their record on supporting the military in general is as strong as their stance on accountability and the enviroment.
The only thing that outshone their love for the troops is their deep love of native issues.


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hwacker hwacker:
Tricks Tricks:
Firecat Firecat:
"He’s even prepared to lose the next election if it means standing by the military."

oooh - there's a risky statement given his main political rivals sent the troops there in the first place and most Canadians clearly support our troops. I woonder if he's also going to campaign on a courageous stand in defense of motherhood and chocolate cake.

"Hey wait for me! I'm your LEADER!! How can I lead if you don't WAIT????"
Are you drunk Firecat? You aren't making any sense.


She was making a snide remark, Then she goes on by making another remark that the Liberals already started this and have great respect for the military (which we all know is horseshit) Harper is just piling on with what the liberals already started, and we all know with Peon's French background he’d be waving the white flag faster then you can say “clarity act”


Now I'm lost - who's hwacker talking about??? what is that about "great respect for the military?" Is he talking about me when he says "she?" Very mature.


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He's telling it like it is. You should try it some time:

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I only comment on things I'm reasonably certain I know something about. Try it sometime.


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Firecat Firecat:
hwacker hwacker:
Tricks Tricks:
Firecat Firecat:
"He’s even prepared to lose the next election if it means standing by the military."

oooh - there's a risky statement given his main political rivals sent the troops there in the first place and most Canadians clearly support our troops. I woonder if he's also going to campaign on a courageous stand in defense of motherhood and chocolate cake.

"Hey wait for me! I'm your LEADER!! How can I lead if you don't WAIT????"
Are you drunk Firecat? You aren't making any sense.


She was making a snide remark, Then she goes on by making another remark that the Liberals already started this and have great respect for the military (which we all know is horseshit) Harper is just piling on with what the liberals already started, and we all know with Peon's French background he’d be waving the white flag faster then you can say “clarity act”


Now I'm lost - who's hwacker talking about??? what is that about "great respect for the military?" Is he talking about me when he says "she?" Very mature.


Are you not a "SHE" ?

if not, sorry.

OR are you a "SHE" that thinks as a "HE"

ie: pat pat

Please clarify.


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hwacker hwacker:
Firecat Firecat:
hwacker hwacker:
Tricks Tricks:
Firecat Firecat:
"He’s even prepared to lose the next election if it means standing by the military."

oooh - there's a risky statement given his main political rivals sent the troops there in the first place and most Canadians clearly support our troops. I woonder if he's also going to campaign on a courageous stand in defense of motherhood and chocolate cake.

"Hey wait for me! I'm your LEADER!! How can I lead if you don't WAIT????"
Are you drunk Firecat? You aren't making any sense.


She was making a snide remark, Then she goes on by making another remark that the Liberals already started this and have great respect for the military (which we all know is horseshit) Harper is just piling on with what the liberals already started, and we all know with Peon's French background he’d be waving the white flag faster then you can say “clarity act”


Now I'm lost - who's hwacker talking about??? what is that about "great respect for the military?" Is he talking about me when he says "she?" Very mature.


Are you not a "SHE" ?

if not sorry.


Nope, all male. I'm not offended actually because I don't think anything in my profile indicates my sex. It's interesting though (putting aside our many differences for the moment) - I rarely check people's profiles myself and someone else thought I was female too because of my stance on that little item we disagreed so strongly about (which as far as I'm concerned I don't feel like dredging up again. We've said all we have to say to each other on THAT subject. It's just interesting the impressions we get from just reading someone's words.

I always thought myself too patently arrogant to be perceived as anything but male. ROTFL


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Firecat Firecat:
"He’s even prepared to lose the next election if it means standing by the military."

oooh - there's a risky statement given his main political rivals sent the troops there in the first place and most Canadians clearly support our troops. I woonder if he's also going to campaign on a courageous stand in defense of motherhood and chocolate cake.

"Hey wait for me! I'm your LEADER!! How can I lead if you don't WAIT????"

God Forbid Prime Minister Harper stands by the Canadian Military risking everything unlike the previous 2 Prime Ministers(Chretien Martin) who took the Canadian Military for granted..
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Johnny_Utah Johnny_Utah:
Firecat Firecat:
"He’s even prepared to lose the next election if it means standing by the military."

oooh - there's a risky statement given his main political rivals sent the troops there in the first place and most Canadians clearly support our troops. I woonder if he's also going to campaign on a courageous stand in defense of motherhood and chocolate cake.

"Hey wait for me! I'm your LEADER!! How can I lead if you don't WAIT????"

God Forbid Prime Minister Harper stands by the Canadian Military risking everything unlike the previous 2 Prime Ministers(Chretien Martin) who took the Canadian Military for granted..
:roll:
Ha good one, The liberals are the ones who actually made the tough decisions by going there and not going to Iraq. Harper surfs the public opinion polls and suddenly he is a big hero. What an absolute crock.


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Delwin Delwin:
Johnny_Utah Johnny_Utah:
Firecat Firecat:
"He’s even prepared to lose the next election if it means standing by the military."

oooh - there's a risky statement given his main political rivals sent the troops there in the first place and most Canadians clearly support our troops. I woonder if he's also going to campaign on a courageous stand in defense of motherhood and chocolate cake.

"Hey wait for me! I'm your LEADER!! How can I lead if you don't WAIT????"

God Forbid Prime Minister Harper stands by the Canadian Military risking everything unlike the previous 2 Prime Ministers(Chretien Martin) who took the Canadian Military for granted..
:roll:
Ha good one, The liberals are the ones who actually made the tough decisions by going there and not going to Iraq. Harper surfs the public opinion polls and suddenly he is a big hero. What an absolute crock.
It's amazing how out of touch you are with reality. Why do you hate Harper so much? You don't even give the guy credit where it's do.


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RUEZ RUEZ:
Delwin Delwin:
Johnny_Utah Johnny_Utah:
Firecat Firecat:
"He’s even prepared to lose the next election if it means standing by the military."

oooh - there's a risky statement given his main political rivals sent the troops there in the first place and most Canadians clearly support our troops. I woonder if he's also going to campaign on a courageous stand in defense of motherhood and chocolate cake.

"Hey wait for me! I'm your LEADER!! How can I lead if you don't WAIT????"

God Forbid Prime Minister Harper stands by the Canadian Military risking everything unlike the previous 2 Prime Ministers(Chretien Martin) who took the Canadian Military for granted..
:roll:
Ha good one, The liberals are the ones who actually made the tough decisions by going there and not going to Iraq. Harper surfs the public opinion polls and suddenly he is a big hero. What an absolute crock.
It's amazing how out of touch you are with reality. Why do you hate Harper so much? You don't even give the guy credit where it's do.
Why do you love him so much and give him credit where none is due?


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