[ridenrain]

Woops....

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Tue Jan 30, 7:33 PM
By Alexander Panetta

OTTAWA (CP) - A prime minister who now promises to fight climate change once ridiculed the Kyoto accord as a money-sucking socialist scheme and said he would battle to defeat it.

Stephen Harper derided the global treaty and questioned the science of climate change in a 2002 fundraising letter sent to members of his now-defunct Canadian Alliance party. With polls showing the environment is a top priority with voters and Harper keen to bolster his environmental credentials, the letter could prove embarrassing.

It was circulated Tuesday by the Liberals, who said it unmasks Harper as a climate-change denier.

"Kyoto is essentially a socialist scheme to suck money out of wealth-producing nations," says the letter, signed by Harper.

"Implementing Kyoto will cripple the oil and gas industry, which is essential to the economies of Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, Saskatchewan, Alberta and British Columbia . . .

"Workers and consumers everywhere in Canada will lose. THERE ARE NO CANADIAN WINNERS UNDER THE KYOTO ACCORD."

He also blasted the treaty for targeting carbon dioxide - which he said is "essential to life" - and played down the science of climate change as "tentative and contradictory."

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[tritium]

KYOTO

Pay credits to a country that does not pollute, so we can go on as usual.

1. waist of taxpayers money.

2. we need to develop better ways to use power and stop pollution through technology, putting a Band-Aid on it won't help us in the long run.

3. money saved on Kyoto can go into finding new energy saving technology.

[hwacker]

Harper is right, that's exactly what it is.

[hurley_108]

OMG, OMG, CO2 is NEEDED by plants! OMG we must emit MORE CO2! Won't someone PLEASE think of the plants! Plants are people too!

Harper may be a shrewd politician but he's a dunce when it comes to science.

[ridenrain]

tritium tritium:

THAT IS BRILLIANT!


Yes, Harper is right.

[hurley_108]

ridenrain ridenrain:

Yes, Harper is right.

Is right or was right? They're not the same.

[hwacker]

hurley_108 hurley_108:

OMG, OMG, CO2 is NEEDED by plants! OMG we must emit MORE CO2! Won't someone PLEASE think of the plants! Plants are people too!

How much has the ppm increased in 200 years ?


What was it before the last ice age ?


What was it 50k years ago ?

[tritium]

Climate-change is real, Global warming is real, but I think technology is what will change the world we live in, not a socialist sink holes.

Beyond 2057

[Delwin]

Well sounds like more of the same from the former Alliance leader remember this grounbreaking revelation by his friend stockwell: "He has said there is scientific proof that the world is about 6,000-years-old and that early man co-existed with dinosaurs. "
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1042814.stm

Science was never exactly a strong suit for these guys.

[hurley_108]

hwacker hwacker:

hurley_108 hurley_108:

OMG, OMG, CO2 is NEEDED by plants! OMG we must emit MORE CO2! Won't someone PLEASE think of the plants! Plants are people too!

How much has the ppm increased in 200 years ?


What was it before the last ice age ?


What was it 50k years ago ?

[ridenrain]

Ok.. so we're going to get technical, eh?

[hurley_108]

Ah, ridenrain, too, has been touched by His Noodly Appendage! Ramen!

[ridenrain]

"Nobody knows what Kyoto is or what it commits us to"
Michael Ignatieff
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HouCOMEJKGY[/youtube]

Now we see why John Baird was put here

[BartSimpson]

Fighting climate change is EXACTLY like fighting the tides.

Both are natural processes that have proceeded uncontrolled by man for eons.

That the earth is warming is true: it has been warming since the end of the last ice age. There have been sporadic ups and downs and I will note that climatologists acknowledge that the weather was actually much WARMER than it is now just a thousand years ago and that global temperatures were once averaging 22C/72F as opposed to todays 12C/54F. And that was a thousand years ago.

In the Permian period I've read that there were no global ice caps due to the global temps averaging 26C/79F - pretty much the planet was a steam bath back then.

At the very least we are still well below the planets historical average of 17C/63F.

We are currently COLDER than average.

We're warming up to NORMAL.

Nothing to fret about here.

[Clogeroo]

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Fighting climate change is EXACTLY like fighting the tides.

Both are natural processes that have proceeded uncontrolled by man for eons.

That the earth is warming is true: it has been warming since the end of the last ice age. There have been sporadic ups and downs and I will note that climatologists acknowledge that the weather was actually much WARMER than it is now just a thousand years ago and that global temperatures were once averaging 22C/72F as opposed to todays 12C/54F.

In the Permian period I've read that there were no global ice caps due to the global temps averaging 26C/79F - pretty much the planet was a steam bath back then.

At the very least we are still well below the planets historical average of 17C/63F.

We are currently COLDER than average.

We're warming up to NORMAL.

Nothing to fret about here.

That is what I never understood what the big hype over this is. Temperatures on the earth were far greater than they are now. The idea that we can actually reduce them or keep the earth in a state that is most desirable to us is quite arrogant really. Like man can control the earth we cannot that is why there are volcanic eruptions, tsunamis and tornadoes. We don't have control over our weather or the way our climate will be and we most likely never will. If the earth is getting warmer and becoming a more active environment then there is nothing we can do about it. I suggest everyone just get used to it and adapt if not then perish.