[Gangrenous]

Well, first thing I wanted to point out was to the Rev. I don't know if you were being sarcastic or not, but (in Ontario anyway), guns and ammo have to be locked up seperately unless you live north of the French River. Then all the firearms laws change. Thats no mans land up there.
I'd have to agree with everything madman has said. He seams to know the laws about as good as I do. They've made everything so queer that the average hunter can get fucked over something simple and spend 2 years in jail. You have to know the law.
As far as Karra is concerned..... Wow, I'm dumbfounded. I really would like to know where she learned all this stuff, and I'm sure alot of others would too.

As far as the crime at hand tho, I'm not sure where exactly it took place, other than Quebec. If he was far enough north, he may have been well within the law of having a loaded, unlocked rifle.......But it still doesn't give anyone the right to just fire one off into their house.....

[Madman]

hk mp5, karra using on, not as a civilain(not legally any way)
ERT(our swat) may use them, they are popular for CQB, doubt karra was an ERT member, not imposible though, and they dont use silecers that much, since they use flashbangs, but not impossible to have a silecer

as for our army, really only JTF2 would use it, i dont think any females have ever been there

as for the US army, they dont allow females in combat arms, which would be needed for her to get near a mp5(special ops, useless out in feild)

as for darranger, nobody uses it, prohibited and not usfull for anything but shooting people, poorly at that in most cases, extreme close range due to very short barrel



, AK-47, po-po may get to play with one, but again unlikely, however an SKS, or variant is quite likely, basically a semi auto version of AK47, non-restricted, cheap to shoot, nothing special, they are cheap crap(indesructable if you get the right one, like ak)

if she was in the army she would have bragged about a FN-FAL, C7, C9 or M16(US) which she didn't so i really doubt she served, she also does not have the additude of someone who served

still think it bs, or illegal

[Rev_Blair]

Not being sarcastic at all, Gangrenous. Most of our illegal guns come in from the US, where they are legal. The law we have now punishes legitimate people who have guns for legitimate reasons and does little or nothing to keep illegal guns off the street.

I'm not fully up on the gun laws, which explains the restricted/prohibited thing. I have listened to all the argument for and against bill c-68 though. It's just a bad bill meant to appease people who have known a real hunter in their lives and can't tell a single shot .22 from an AK47. It grew out of the Ecole Polytechnique massacre because of the outrage over that and is poorly thought out as a result. It does not address reality.

As for Karra's gun expertise...by every indication it is less than mine, and mine is limited to a few legal long guns only. I couldn't tell you the manufacturer of the guns I've fired, going hunting with friends or popping a few gophers out on the farm never got me that interested in them, and it was a long time ago.

I do know that if Karra was trained by the government to handle highly restricted/prohibited firearms for whatever reason, she would unlikely to be bragging about it on an internet forum. I know a few people here have been in the military and I don't see them listing off weapons that they've used.

[Gangrenous]

You're absolutely right Rev. I couldn't have put it better myself. I think the absene of Kara to defend herself in this forum has shown exactly what we have all thought.

As far as the gun laws, there is alot of debate, and debacle over it, and I think along with most other Canadians, you have hit the nail on the head. Perhaps a discussion left for another thread........ I could go on for days about hte uselessness of the new laws and how they are relative to the hunter, sport shooter, or criminal.... As I'm sure madman would be able too

[Gangrenous]

You're absolutely right Rev. I couldn't have put it better myself. I think the absene of Kara to defend herself in this forum has shown exactly what we have all thought.

As far as the gun laws, there is alot of debate, and debacle over it, and I think along with most other Canadians, you have hit the nail on the head. Perhaps a discussion left for another thread........ I could go on for days about hte uselessness of the new laws and how they are relative to the hunter, sport shooter, or criminal.... As I'm sure madman would be able too

[Madman]

something I would like to find, but have been unable to thus far, is statistics on how many percent of firearms crimes are committed with illegally obtained guns. I would not be supprisd if this number is above 80%

The laws are targeting(no pun ) a group of people who for the most point are not responcible for the problems, furthermore any attempts to ban guns may increase other crimes, ie drug trade may increase to get guns and such...

I am not one of these people who fears to death the government taking my guns, it would likely be a political land mine most parties will not step on

I myself shoot paper, and now reload my own ammo, which brings up another point, the ERD(explosive regulations department) wants to not allow people to reload in attached residence, no I imagine some of you may think, no gun powder in the guy next to me appartment is a very good thing. However its another example of ignorance gone a wry.
1) gun powder is used only muzzle loads now a days
2)rounds use smokless powder, which is a propellent, if you lay out a 1cm by 10 cm strip on this stuff out, and light it it takes 30 second to burn, its not confined, the reaction is very slow
3)No known incedendts have occured involving the supossed issue
4)the tank of propane on your porch is 100 times a risk
5)The only feasible way the powder could be ignited is an accidenty(very rare, as only small amounts of powder are used at a time, ie 1-2000 grains) of a house fire, in which case its way to late
6)IT CANNOT EXPLODE IF NOT CONTAINED IN A PRESSURE VESSEL

non the less it is such non-sence it appears this will not happen due to a rare thing for the liberals areound this are, common sence, who would of thought

thats my rant, but it is an example in my opinion of the ignorance used to promote unnesscary controlls,

I think you should have to register restriced weapons, It just responsible
as for non-restricted(rmost rifles & shotguns...) why register them, they don't present a real risk, bu ti wont complain to much as long as they continue to not charge anything to do so

nail the people to the cross for smuggling guns into the country and having illegal guns, as rev said, no tolerance, at all

[Madman]

woo hoo quadruple post!!!

[Madman]

another oops

[Madman]

oops

[Ralph]

Take the billions it is costing us now and in the future and give some of that to the police and wildlife enforcement officer’s, boarder guard’s, coast guards, so they can properly enforce the existing laws.
Leave the farmers hunters and sportsman alone.