[Winnipegger]

COVID restrictions are making us into a total police state.

Don't you see the contradiction of your statement? When government imposes draconian restrictions on working people or small business, you think it's acceptable and doesn't go far enough. When government imposes restrictions on rich people who have the money to fly internationally, your response is "personal responsibility".

Let's be blunt! This disease is spread by rich people. Past diseases were spread by the poor, so rich people fell into the habit of blaming them. Technically this disease doesn't care if you're rich or poor, but only rich people can afford to fly overseas. If it weren't for people flying from China to Canada, the disease wouldn't be here.

I've travelled quite a bit through Canada and the United States. I would like to say "extensively", but that's relative. Someone will always say they've travelled much more. But I've never been outside these two countries in my entire life. And I haven't travelled to the States since 2010. Didn't leave the province until my employer sent me to indigenous communities in northwestern Ontario. West of Terrace Bay, Manitoba's cut-off point for travel.

I read a science fiction book in 1982, published that same year. One character asked another when the next pandemic would happen, and how it will spread. The answer was rich people and Congressmen bypassing restrictions. (American author) Now we have rich people and MPs/MLAs doing that. The author was a child during the Spanish Flu, but did live through it. Have we learned nothing?

[DrCaleb]

Don't you get tired of always being wrong?

Winnipegger Winnipegger:

COVID restrictions are making us into a total police state.

You exaggerate. No one is watching me. No one is monitoring whether I am wearing a mask.

The fact that COVID and variants are spreading in the community is proof that there is no police state. Funny no one cares when government recalls mushrooms because of e-coli. No one cries 'Police State!!' when butchers must clean their equipment nightly to prevent the spread of Listeria.

But when they ask us to stand 1 Caribou apart and wear a mask . . "POLICE STATE!!'

Winnipegger Winnipegger:

Don't you see the contradiction of your statement? When government imposes draconian restrictions on working people or small business, you think it's acceptable and doesn't go far enough. When government imposes restrictions on rich people who have the money to fly internationally, your response is "personal responsibility".

You might want to look up the work 'draconian'. And there would be no restrictions if people had obeyed all the public health orders since Christmas. Business would be open, people would be out on patios. Just like in Australia and New Zealand. They know how to follow health orders in order to protect their fellow citizens.

Winnipegger Winnipegger:

Let's be blunt! This disease is spread by rich people. Past diseases were spread by the poor, so rich people fell into the habit of blaming them. Technically this disease doesn't care if you're rich or poor, but only rich people can afford to fly overseas. If it weren't for people flying from China to Canada, the disease wouldn't be here.

Yes, rich people who work at Amazon warehouses, slaughterhouses, and grocery stores. You might want to look up why Brampton and Peel are hot spots for COVID transmission, and the number of millionaires in the area.

And yet another conspiracy that I'm going to pop. COVID came to us first from Washington State. Variants from the UK, South Africa and India were brought here and spread by citizens, because the border had long been closed to tourists.

Winnipegger Winnipegger:

I've travelled quite a bit through Canada and the United States. I would like to say "extensively", but that's relative. Someone will always say they've travelled much more. But I've never been outside these two countries in my entire life. And I haven't travelled to the States since 2010. Didn't leave the province until my employer sent me to indigenous communities in northwestern Ontario. West of Terrace Bay, Manitoba's cut-off point for travel.

Congrats. And what does that have to do with the subject at hand?

Winnipegger Winnipegger:

I read a science fiction book in 1982, published that same year. One character asked another when the next pandemic would happen, and how it will spread. The answer was rich people and Congressmen bypassing restrictions. (American author) Now we have rich people and MPs/MLAs doing that. The author was a child during the Spanish Flu, but did live through it. Have we learned nothing?

You know that was fiction, right? Coincidence is proof of nothing.

[Scape]

A police state? FUCK OFF!

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LOOK AT THE FRONT PAGE!

I live in Victoria and today, a fentanyl death finally brought to an end the REIGN of terror one man who spent 70 time in court for various offences up to and including attempted murder. This is a person who needed help and the only help we could give him was street drugs that killed him. Every time he got arrested by the 'police state' he would be reprimanded and because of COVID we couldn't hold him and he get released no matter how many cars he smashes or acts of violence he committed and to where? Beacon hill park where our government decided instead of homing to homeless and mentally ill and provide rehab they would just let them camp on public grounds. Well guess what? The vagrants figured out that unless they kill someone they would effetely get away with anything and that is exactly what they did.


Police state my ass!

[bootlegga]

Winnipegger Winnipegger:

COVID restrictions are making us into a total police state.

...

But I've never been outside these two countries in my entire life.

I have travelled a fair bit outside of North America (Asia and Europe), and having visited a real police state (China), let me tell you Canada is NOTHING like that place.

Want to visit? You need a visa from their embassy.

When you arrive, you go through a thorough screening (now with anal swabbing ) and then have to provide a detailed itinerary of where you're going.

When you check into your hotel, they photocopy your passport and keep track of your comings and goings.

If you want to live there, you need to register with the police and local government. Every time you leave the country (even to visit Hong Kong or Macau), you must visit the police station again and re-register.

Want to buy gasoline for you vehicle? You have to show your passport again.

Want to surf the internet? Sorry, the entire internet outside of China is blocked and you can only access domestic sites, most of which are copies of Western sites.

Every street corner and most buildings have lots of CCTV cameras to track everyone's movement.

Sorry, but Canada does NONE of those things at the government level - companies may install CCTV cameras for example, but neither federal or provincial governments do it and monitor it 24/7.

I don't know where you read or heard that Canada is becoming a police state, but we're nowhere close to a real police state. This is what a police state looks like.

[CDN_PATRIOT]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

But when they ask us to stand 1 Caribou apart and wear a mask . . "POLICE STATE!!'

What am I supposed to use for a measurement if there are no caribou around?



-J.

[raydan]

CDN_PATRIOT CDN_PATRIOT:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

But when they ask us to stand 1 Caribou apart and wear a mask . . "POLICE STATE!!'

What am I supposed to use for a measurement if there are no caribou around?



-J.

Here you go...

[JaredMilne]

Winnipegger Winnipegger:

JaredMilne JaredMilne:

First you complain about all the restrictions governments have put in place to try and keep the virus under control, saying they violate the Charter. Fair enough. But here you're complaining about the Manitoba government opening its borders, whereas closing them was itself a violation of the Charter's mobility rights.

So do you oppose lockdowns and restrictive measures as unconstitutional, or not? Which actions are acceptable and/or constitutional in your view?

I'm complaining about restrictive measures that are *NOT* keeping the virus under control. The government doesn't know what it's doing.

Let me make this simple. If they kept boarders to Manitoba closed, and made air travel from outside the country *MORE* restrictive, they could have lifted all restrictions within the province. We had 7 deaths by 06-March-2020, and no more by 24-July. (Looked that up to ensure I get numbers right.) Opening the borders brought the disease in. By Halloween there were 82 dead, so 75 more. If they kept borders closed, those people would not be dead. Today 997 dead, so that means 990 more than 24-July-2020!

These lock-downs within the province are causing massive harm to our economy, massive harm to our culture. And they don't work!

So why are you bringing the Charter of Rights and Freedoms into this? You don't seem to have a problem with lockdown measures that arguably violate it, and yet you're complaining that the measures are turning Canada into a police state.

If you have a problem with the way the government is handling pandemic restrictions-and there's plenty to criticize-then that's all you need to say. No need to confuse things by bringing the Charter into it.