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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 6:48 pm
 


In my political history courses that I took, one trend became glaringly obvious, long periods of liberal power, (usually 12 to 16 years at a time) briefly interrupted by "blips" of some other party.

With more recent events however, (the money laundering, the lack of anybody willing to take a position of leadership of the Liberal party, etc) I can't help but wonder if these years are a key turning point in Canada's political history. (Tomorrow's history, if you will)

Is this the end of long liberal power & blips of other parties, or do you think we'll see the liberals return after Harper?

I read an interesting thing in the newspaper the other day that Harper is addressing the issue of our joke of a Senate. He's trying to make it election based rather than appointed, and set a maximum length of time that one can be on the Senate for. I think its brilliant, but many may disagree... and even more (sadly enough) may not understand its implications, having previously being not all that aware that we even had a Senate.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 6:51 pm
 


The Liberals will be back, because the Cons will inevitably fuck up eventually, and the NDP will never have a chance in hell.....


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 6:55 pm
 


Is the canadian lib party like the US democrates and thus the cons like the republicans?


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 7:00 pm
 


That could be true, but I am not so sure. Possibly, in the far future when wars occur people may get sick of the center-right political power and would rather switch to the likes of the NDP. The NDP on its own will not gain power - they will need somthing big to jump on, somthing external. This, if it will happen, won’t be in Jack's lifetime.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 7:17 pm
 


stratos stratos:
Is the canadian lib party like the US democrates and thus the cons like the republicans?


Yes and no. In a general sense, yes, but in America they have moderates in both parties that are called Liberal or Conservative.

Certain American Republicans, depending on their personal values, could be described up here as a Conservative or maybe even a Liberal.

Some American Democrats, depending on their personal values, could be described up here as Liberal, NDP, and possibly even Green, although this is highly unlikely...


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 7:27 pm
 


so in other words your political parties are as screwy as ours in the US. :roll:


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 7:31 pm
 


Yes, but just more numerous...and picky. :wink:


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Persiana Persiana:
In my political history courses that I took, one trend became glaringly obvious, long periods of liberal power, (usually 12 to 16 years at a time) briefly interrupted by "blips" of some other party.

With more recent events however, (the money laundering, the lack of anybody willing to take a position of leadership of the Liberal party, etc) I can't help but wonder if these years are a key turning point in Canada's political history. (Tomorrow's history, if you will)

Is this the end of long liberal power & blips of other parties, or do you think we'll see the liberals return after Harper?

I read an interesting thing in the newspaper the other day that Harper is addressing the issue of our joke of a Senate. He's trying to make it election based rather than appointed, and set a maximum length of time that one can be on the Senate for. I think its brilliant, but many may disagree... and even more (sadly enough) may not understand its implications, having previously being not all that aware that we even had a Senate.


I don't think there has been a Canadian Government that hasn't been defined by some scandal. What distinguishes the Chretien-Martin era is the sheer volume of scandals. In regard to their earlier malfeances, the Sponsorship Scandal is much less significant. Yet, the Canadian electorate seems to have an especially short memory when it comes to political misdeeds. Prove this to yourself by asking an aquaintance (or even a stranger) what the central issues were in "Shawinagate" or the "HRDC Boondoggle". The Conservatives do not seem to have any intent for being the antidote to Liberal corruption. They've already enacted an "Accountability Bill" which makes it easier for a government to hide it's actions from governmental oversight and public view. And they've basically dropped the ball on punishing any of the central players in the Sponsorship Scandal (there seems to be an unspoken covenant that if the Cons don't punish the Libs for their past crimes, the Libs will extend the courtesy to the Cons, should the Libs form a near future Government).

As for an elected Senate: that has the possibiliy for becoming an even sadder joke than what the present format has created. We already have an elected body (the House Of Commons) who's interests are determined by special interest groups and corporate lobbyists, and which the electorate has no effective control over between elections. The Upper House should serve as a counterpoint to this form of corrupted democracy. I would suggest that Senatorial term limits are a good idea, but that electon by small geographical constituentcies is not. Two alternatives might be appointment by proportional representation or appointments by and through region. In the first, the number of Senate seats assigned to political parties would be based on their portion of the overall public vote. This would put an effective restraint on Governments that are formed without the overall consent of the voting public. The second alternative would give the Provinces some say in federal policies that undermine their interests. The trick will be in creating some mechanism that prevents any one Province, or Provincial Government, from using the Senate to dominate the federal agenda.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:48 pm
 


Thanks everyone for the replies!

Gunplumber you point out some interesting things that I wasn't aware of (I've been 'out of the loop' for a while) such as the Accountability Bill, do you have any links for that? I'd be interested on reading up on it. :)

Arctic Menace I'm very curious how you think the Harper government might screw up? I agree with you its bound to happen eventually, but I think that so far he's doing an excellent job of keeping within the positive side of the public eye. I guess if I were to think of what put him there the most, its that compared to Chretien he seems ...human. He seems like a Canadian Citizen, an elevated in status citizen to be sure, but bottom line he's still one of us. (Or at least it seems like that)

I'm not entirely convinced yet though that after this last major scandal, that we'll be returning to the trend of long liberal party governments with blips of other party governments... they might have to change their name, the "Liberals" is tainted now lol


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