[cmasta]

Recently it was announced that Toronto (where I live) will become a city of minorities by 2018. Meaning, that the European majority which currently occupies the city will be swept away in favor of a wonderful racial mosaic, in which no one group will dominate the population. That’s all fine and dandy, as Toronto has become Canada’s greatest city because of rapid immigration. Our economy is booming, our city is rapidly growing, there are some fine ethnic girls about, and we get great selection in food. Better yet, one can travel the world while in Toronto; we are the most diverse city on the planet and every little ethnic group has their own little community with unique eatery, culture and architecture. Yet there is a massive problem afoot in Canada’s immigration system and attitude which is essentially embodied by my great city. This problem has nothing to do with immigrants themselves; rather everything to do with politics.


Canada since the time of Prime Minister Pearson has pursued a policy of Multiculturalism within our nation. This essentially means that Canada accepts all cultures that arrive on our shores. We are open to all languages, ethnic groups and customs. And we promote cultural diversity and different traditions. We hate the concept of Canadian identity and customs and like to promote anti-assimilation ideals. The good old’ USA is quite frankly the opposite, as the administrations of that great republic have pursued a policy of Americanization and assimilation of their own immigrants. In short, a melting pot of cultures, races and ethnic groups. America is not the only smart country on the Earth in terms of immigrants, as the EU has a very similar policy. So what is with Canada? Do we hate ourselves, or just want to be different? I don’t know, and it seems that neither does our government. They haven’t said anything on the issue, either for lack of care or worry about offending some minority.

Canada by implementing the policy of Multiculturalism is essentially committing cultural suicide and damning all who founded our nation’s principals and traditions to lie forever in forgotten history books. Also, we are assuring that our nation loses an identity which would hold it together and give us purpose. The first main lie of Multiculturalism is that Canadians want it. Polls have shown that native Canadians are deeply against the concept, as 71% voted in that favor. Canadians like to have their traditions and customs kept the way they are, and not to be overrun by other alien ones. The second main lie of Multiculturalism is that Canada is truly a mosaic, filled with ethnic groups ‘o plenty. In reality Canada remains European dominated, and even by 2020 our nation will maintain a population of 83% Caucasian. Third main lie, multiculturalism works. No frankly it doesn’t and has never worked throughout history. A nation must have its own dominating identity, without one a nation becomes a simple heap of conflicting view points and ideals. One just has to look at Toronto to see the truth. We are not a multicultural city; we are a collection of ethnic principalities. The white people have walled themselves within Rosedale, Forest Hill and Hog’s Hollow and refusing to come out. Chinese people group around together in Markham, Greeks down by the Danforth and Indians in Branford. Wonderful! We are all living together in a multicultural paradise!!

By setting in place Multiculturalism Canada is insuring racism, hate, ethnocentricity and lack of assimilation for its populace. People are encouraged to speak their mother tongues, and to group together. It is anti-assimilation and is insuring that minority groups will never fully integrate into Canadian society. When I’m down in the states, I get the impression from the media and people I meet that they are all American. That is the Melting Pot in Action!!!! Everyone has a common identity and immigrants join the fabric of American society. In Canada, I talk to my second generation Indian class mate, and guess what, he considers himself an Indian. No not an Indian Canadian, just an Indian. It’s almost like we have no identity at all, and the people living here are just on temporary visas, surly to return to their countries of origin once they get enough capital. It’s a sad state which our nation is in and we must fix it. We must promote Canadian culture and our languages. We must teach our history, and most of all we must be; all of us including immigrants, Canadian. Its time for Canada to catch up to the rest of the Western world, we must keep our national identity and culture secure. Canada has a great future ahead of it as a multi-racial, prosperous society, not a good one as a multicultural, identity less, ethnocentric one.

That’s my rant

[hwacker]

cmasta For PM now, get that martin out.

[Ontario_Born]

cmasta cmasta:

One just has to look at Toronto to see the truth. We are not a multicultural city; we are a collection of ethnic principalities. The white people have walled themselves within Rosedale, Forest Hill and Hog’s Hollow and refusing to come out. Chinese people group around together in Markham, Greeks down by the Danforth and Indians in Branford. Wonderful! We are all living together in a multicultural paradise!!

By setting in place Multiculturalism Canada is insuring racism, hate, ethnocentricity and lack of assimilation for its populace. People are encouraged to speak their mother tongues, and to group together. It is anti-assimilation and is insuring that minority groups will never fully integrate into Canadian society.

That’s my rant

An interesting point. I agree that in some ways the “mosaic” doesn’t work. And yet assimilation has its faults as well. Its true that racism, hate, ethnocentricity are present, but its no different in America where assimilation is the norm. I can’t help but wonder if the size of the city plays any role. I come from a much smaller population of 72,000. We are just a culturally diverse as Toronto, and yet we don’t have the same self-segregation. Ultimately, I think I prefer the mosaic. But something to think about.

[canucker]

"Third main lie, multiculturalism works. No frankly it doesn’t and has never worked throughout history. A nation must have its own dominating identity, without one a nation becomes a simple heap of conflicting view points and ideals." - cmasta

I live in Richmond, a suburb of Vancouver, and over the past 20 years its progressively becoming more asian. They have there own malls, with no english signs, their own communities etc. Many don't speak english at all. Many of the people I've spoken to, work with, grew up with, have left the city because of this reason. It's sad, but I can understand it. I'm not racist against them, I have asian friends, but sometimes I feel like I'm not even in Canada anymore, but China, and I don't like that.

[Rosco]

I despise mosaic multiculturalism both as a Canadian and as a minority, it just seems to breed divisiveness and racial resentment. It's funny that cmasta mentions Toronto though as IMO that's about the closest thing to a successful implementation of multiculturalism you're going to find in Canada...

[Rev_Blair]

Ah...the xenophobia thread.

[canucker]

Not fear or contempt. It's just human nature not to be as comfortable with people they cannot relate to. Works both ways.

[fiz63]

$1:

In reality Canada remains European dominated, and even by 2020 our nation will maintain a population of 83% Caucasian.

then what exactly is your beef?

$1:

The first main lie of Multiculturalism is that Canadians want it. Polls have shown that native Canadians are deeply against the concept, as 71% voted in that favor. Canadians like to have their traditions and customs kept the way they are, and not to be overrun by other alien ones.

Ask these same people, if canada needs immigrants. For the most part i see immigrants adapting into the canadian culture and tradition. Theres a vast difference in customs and traditons which are to be found in their native land.

$1:

The white people have walled themselves within Rosedale, Forest Hill and Hog’s Hollow and refusing to come out. Chinese people group around together in Markham, Greeks down by the Danforth and Indians in Branford. Wonderful! We are all living together in a multicultural paradise!!

This exists wordwide, I wouldn't call it a problem. People just tend to behave this way. As for your indian friend, i assure he's in the minority. I'm a second generation canadian, have ties to three sub continent asian countries. I deem myself to be a canadian first.

I've yet to meet someone who doesn't share that same opinion.

As for your rant, on by placing Multiculturalism in Canada it is insuring racism, hate, ethnocentricity and lack of assimilation for its populace. I strongly disagree, yes there have been a few incidents. But for the most part it's been jolly.

$1:

I live in Richmond, a suburb of Vancouver, and over the past 20 years its progressively becoming more asian. They have there own malls, with no english signs, their own communities etc. Many don't speak english at all. Many of the people I've spoken to, work with, grew up with, have left the city because of this reason. It's sad, but I can understand it. I'm not racist against them, I have asian friends, but sometimes I feel like I'm not even in Canada anymore, but China, and I don't like that.

Thats a problem with our immigration system. Not immigrants themselves.
Take note that many of those asian canadains own buisness, which is a healthy addition to the canadain economy.

[hwacker]

I think it's real, ever been to France, they have a nice mix from northern
Africa.



And you thought Jamaicans were slow "brotha you ain't seen nothin yet"

[ManifestDestiny]

Frist of all cmasta great post. I feel the same way. I just dont say it as nicely."Multiculturalism" Is a Elite Liberal way of saying I dont want Niggers , Spics Chinks and pakis wops etc. etc. living in my nieghborhood or marring my children.

[canucker]

fiz63 fiz63:

Thats a problem with our immigration system. Not immigrants themselves. Take note that many of those asian canadains own buisness, which is a healthy addition to the canadain economy.

I agree it's not totally the immigrants at fault, but explain what you mean by it being the immigration systems problem? How so?

[cmasta]

This is not a xenophobic thread as some seem to suggest. I believe I made my opinion on immigration quite clear during my original post; and that being said, I support their presence in this fine nation of ours fully. They bring money, population and growth to this otherwise stagnant nation of ours and believe that the outcome of their arrival will no doubt be positive.

I think that some of you have confused my true point, or perhaps I did not make it clear enough in the beginning of this thread. There are merits to both multiculturalism and total assimilation, neither are perfect nor do I promote any of them to be. That being said, I firmly believe that this country has leaned far too much towards multiculturalism and in doing so we have hindered as well as slowed the assimilation process. While I doubt that it has been completely halted, assimilation seems to be discouraged in the “new” Canada we live in. This is not cool, and is not a positive development for all Canadians. I believe one of the posts earlier attested to this fact. He/She stated that as a minority he/she felt that multiculturalism just promoted racial bitterness and hate. Nothing in my opinion is closer to the truth, and I see it everyday. At my school I am perhaps the only real white guy (by that I mean WASPY white guy) and have a diverse group of friends. Nearly all of them are second generation Canadians who have to a large extent assimilated to prevailing social values. They are the rarity at my institution of education, as most social groups are split up based on race. While many of these racial groups are composed of first generation immigrants, vast numbers are second and third generation citizens who have yet to assimilate. This is because of the multicultural policies placed on them and society by our government. They are told its fine to maintain their own cultural norms and to remain separate from mainstream Canadian society. My friends often despise these folks, for the wrong reasons. They don’t dislike them personally, but do so because of their ethnic backgrounds and refusal to act “normal” or in technical terms Western.

This is natural, and due to human nature, multiculturalism creates barriers between peoples and races, these people which could easily associate if they weren’t so radically different. Simply put, ethnocentria is keeping Canadians apart. It goes the other way too, and I see this first hand. White people are often racist and un accepting at heart and myself being a part of the WASP elite see this all the time. My relatives and their white friends are bitter about all the new cultures appearing in Toronto and all the demands they make. They are tired of this nation and its economic heart lands being changed into third world “cultural centers”. This is a racist and close minded view, yet vast amounts of white people agree with it. There is some merit to this view; as Europeans and native Canadians must become concerned about Canada’s Western culture becoming overrun and replaced by those of the third world. The promotion of assimilation would help these issues. White people despite some of their racist leanings are far more accepting to those which are like them. I believe that multiculturalism is promoting racial intolerance and delaying the process of acceptance.

Finally I feel that multiculturalism as a government policy is just sort of a way of sticking it to the Americans. It is the exact opposite of what they pursue and has completely different aims. It’s actually funny because technically they are more multicultural than us! Canada is essentially in a state of denial when we pursue this policy, as the vast majority of the population is Caucasian and dislikes multiculturalism as a concept. It like we are being liberal for the sake of being liberal.

[WarHawkster]

Haha! My schools where almost always ALL white.

[hwacker]

WarHawkster WarHawkster:

Haha! My schools where almost always ALL white.

Mine were also , well we had the one black guy but he could play hockey so he fit in. Until i moved to Toronto in grade 10 i didn't know we had a problem like this.