[ReliableIntelligence]

Always nice to wake up to an article that a seperatist leader has caused his party to plunge in the polls:

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news ... 271032f99a

Jean Charest is in the lead for the first time in forever.

Even as a Liberal, I'm forced to hope that Harper's budget is popular in Quebec since Charest has so much riding on it. As much as I'd like to see the LPC make gains in Quebec, Federalism is more important than any party.

[JakeAnim]

ReliableIntelligence ReliableIntelligence:

.., Federalism is more important than any party.

Thats one of the major reasons we fedralists vote Liberal in Montreal.

[Always4Iggy]

ReliableIntelligence ReliableIntelligence:

Even as a Liberal, I'm forced to hope that Harper's budget is popular in Quebec since Charest has so much riding on it. As much as I'd like to see the LPC make gains in Quebec, Federalism is more important than any party.

Interesting comment, my friend, but I need clarification. We have the following factors in your words:

a. The drop in polls by Bloc.
b. The desire to axe the leader, Andre.
c. The improvement in prospects for Charest.
d. Harper's budget.
e. The reception of Harper's budget in Quebec.
f. Federalism.

While the first three I could work out, I am unable to see how you link the last three.

The best I can do is as follows:

RI thinks that if Harper's budget favours Quebec, Quebecois will vote for Liberals rather than Bloc, and therefore we must have a Harper budget which favours Quebec.

Is that correct?

[JakeAnim]

Always4Iggy Always4Iggy:

RI thinks that if Harper's budget favours Quebec, Quebecois will vote for Liberals rather than Bloc, and therefore we must have a Harper budget which favours Quebec.

Is that correct?

It does not have to be a Quebec centric budget as much as a populist budget. The bottom line for most people is their wallets. Its not the Die- hard separatists that have to be won, since thats a lost cause. Its the undecided voter...and/or the one who is more worried about their fiscal health rather than 'nationhood'.

[Always4Iggy]

To be fair, Reliable Intelligence, the complication of what happens in Quebec reminds me of the old limerick:

A lady-like man from the moon,
Met a man-like lady in a room,
The spent the night
In a terrible fight,
About who would do what and to whom.

The threesome in Quebec, Liberals, Bloc and Conservatives, is confusing at best, and the Editors of the National Post, selected only for pro-jewish, arch conservative viewpoints, are also finding it confusing. They display the usual Con talent for not seeing contradictions!

In particular, check the fact that they missed the contradiction of these two statements FROM THE SAME EDITORIAL,

$1:

Since taking over the leadership of the separatist Parti Quebecois 15 months ago, Andre Boisclair has presided over a 20-point drop in the provincial party's popular support.

To be sure, Mr. Boisclair's plummet has been stunning. When the gay, formerly cocaine snorting social-democrat was selected to lead his party in November, 2005, the PQ were at 52% in polls, higher than they'd been at any time since their close loss in the 1995 sovereignty referendum. But thanks in part to Mr. Boisclair's lacklustre performance and a series of gaffes, this week the governing Liberals passed him in popularity for the first time since the province's last general election in 2003.

Now, this is correct, and factual. But what is funny is that these National Post monkeys take this opportunity to praise Harper!

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Much credit for diffusing separatist sentiment, especially among swing voters in Quebec, must go to Prime Minister Stephen Harper and his many initiatives to recognize Quebec's unique place in Canada (of which his Quebecois-as-nation resolution is only the most famous). It would now be difficult for any PQ leader -- even one far more competent than Mr. Boisclair -- to find 50%, or even 40% backing for independence.

I would think that if Harper had really led the Quebecios into the Federalist fold, and convinced them to drop their Bloc support from 52% to 32%, he would have won their votes as well as their hearts, instead of which the facts show that it was Liberals who get their votes!

[kenmore]

Lets face it if it isnt the budget it will be something else the Canadian People want the Tories toppled..... as for Boisclair he is too immature and the Quebec People ( have loads of friends and family in Quebec )are more concerned with the future of the Country and jobs for the young and the economy of Quebec than separatism... they are tired of it and want to move forward in a united viable country ---
Mr Boisclair is finished either way -- his own party wants him ousted and so do the Quebecois (e)

[SJ-24]

That's really too bad...tell, me, how can we change their minds and get these freaks back up in the poll?

[SJ-24]

That's really too bad...tell, me, how can we change their minds and get these freaks back up in the poll?

[Numure]

Always4Iggy Always4Iggy:

I would think that if Harper had really led the Quebecios into the Federalist fold, and convinced them to drop their Bloc support from 52% to 32%, he would have won their votes as well as their hearts, instead of which the facts show that it was Liberals who get their votes!

Stop confusing the Bloc and the PQ. Even though they are interwined, Voting habits for the PQ arnt the same as the Bloc. And there isnt any Conservative party in Québec.

[ReliableIntelligence]

Always4Iggy Always4Iggy:

RI thinks that if Harper's budget favours Quebec, Quebecois will vote for Liberals rather than Bloc, and therefore we must have a Harper budget which favours Quebec.

Is that correct?

No, I'm arguing that Charest has tied his political fate to the Harper budget. As such, it's imperative that this budget not let down Quebeckers because it is likely to translate into a resurgence of support for the PQ.

Federally, I'd rather Quebecker's vote Liberal because I think the Liberal party of Canada understands Quebec and promotes the policies that are most in line with the majority of Quebeckers. However, It's more important to me that a strong majority of Quebeckers vote for federalist parties. So, even if Quebecker's vote Conservative as a result of the budget, at least they are voting for the federalist option.

[ReliableIntelligence]

Always4Iggy Always4Iggy:

RI thinks that if Harper's budget favours Quebec, Quebecois will vote for Liberals rather than Bloc, and therefore we must have a Harper budget which favours Quebec.

Is that correct?

No, I'm arguing that Charest has tied his political fate to the Harper budget. As such, it's imperative that this budget not let down Quebeckers because it is likely to translate into a resurgence of support for the PQ.

Federally, I'd rather Quebecker's vote Liberal because I think the Liberal party of Canada understands Quebec and promotes the policies that are most in line with the majority of Quebeckers. However, It's more important to me that a strong majority of Quebeckers vote for federalist parties. So, even if Quebecker's vote Conservative as a result of the budget, at least they are voting for the federalist option.

[ReliableIntelligence]

Always4Iggy Always4Iggy:

In particular, check the fact that they missed the contradiction of these two statements FROM THE SAME EDITORIAL,
...Now, this is correct, and factual. But what is funny is that these National Post monkeys take this opportunity to praise Harper!

Oh...I get it.

You actually think that because Charest's party is called 'Liberal' that makes him a Liberal.

That's cute.

[kenmore]

There was a Conservative party in Quebec -- its now called the Bloc
and when we get rid of Harper and the Mike Harris Cronies he has in his cabinet -- there wont be a Conservative Party in Canada.....
long live Canada

[ShepherdsDog]

$1:

pro-jewish, arch conservative viewpoints

Funny, most Jews traditionally vote Liberal, or did in the past until anti Semitism became popular in the LPC. Or are you merely listing things you dislike, Consevatives and Jews? You lumped them together, so obviously you have issues with both gruppenfuhrer?

[AKZ]

Numure Numure:

Stop confusing the Bloc and the PQ. Even though they are interwined, Voting habits for the PQ arnt the same as the Bloc. And there isnt any Conservative party in Québec.

The PQ and Bloc pretty much want the same thing... don't they?

Meaning the separation of Quebec !