[bootlegga]

Unlike Finland, Canada nixes cold-weather tests, fly-off among competing fighter jets

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Canada won’t conduct a fly-off between fighter jets competing to become the country’s new warplane nor conduct testing to see how such aircraft perform under cold weather conditions.

The decision not to proceed with such tests under Canada’s $19-billion future fighter procurement program stands in contrast to Finland, which is considering the same aircraft as Canada, for its new jet fleet. Each competing aerospace company is required to provide Finland with two aircraft to test at low temperatures and be evaluated in real world operating conditions.

Public Services and Procurement Canada has confirmed that Canada will not do any fly-offs among competing jet or tests for cold-weather operations like Finland has underway.

“We do not have plans for an exercise of this nature,” stated department spokeswoman Stéfanie Hamel.

Finland and Canada are considering the Boeing Super Hornet, Lockheed Martin F-35 and Saab Gripen. The Finnish Air Force is also testing the Dassault Rafale and the Eurofighter Typhoon, both of which pulled out of the Canadian competition because of worries the process was rigged to favour the F-35.

Finland hopes to buy 64 aircraft. Canada will purchase 88 aircraft.

Canadian aerospace industry representatives say the competing companies as well as allied air forces could provide Canada with results from tests they have conducted on the competing aircraft.

Finland could have taken the same route but its procurement staff want to ensure the country is getting value for money since the project will cost around $14 billion.

Finnish defence ministry program manager Lauri Puranen outlined in a blog post the extensive tests that will be conducted and the reasons for not relying on tests conducted by others. “The Finnish operating environment and operating methods may differ from other users’ weather and lighting conditions,” Puranen stated. “Winter conditions affect the operation of the multi-function fighter and especially the performance of electro-optical systems, but possibly other active and passive systems as well.”

The fighter jet candidates will be tested on the ground, in the air, and during takeoff and landing, he added.

The testing of the competing aircraft is currently underway.

Another series of tests involving the jets taking part in flight operations and a simulated lengthy war game will be conducted by the Finnish Air Force later this year.

Finland expects to select a winner for the aircraft program in 2021. The planes, which will replace Finland’s current fleet of F-18s, are expected in 2025.

The Canadian government expects bids for its fighter jet program to be submitted by the end of March. A winning bidder is to be determined by early 2022. The first aircraft would be delivered to the Royal Canadian Air Force by 2025.

Information about how Canada intends to evaluate the jets is limited. But Public Services and Procurement Canada has noted that technical merit will make up the bulk of the assessment at 60 per cent. Cost and economic benefits companies can provide to Canada will each be worth 20 per cent.

Concerns have been raised by Lockheed Martin’s rivals that the competition has been designed to favour the F-35. This newspaper reported last year the requirements for the new jets put emphasis on strategic attack and striking at ground targets during foreign missions. That criteria is seen to benefit the F-35. In addition, the federal government changed criteria on how it would assess industrial benefits after the U.S. government threatened to pull the F-35 from the competition.

The Conservative government had previously selected the F-35 as the air force’s new jet but backed away from that plan after concerns about the technology and growing cost.

During the 2015 election campaign, Justin Trudeau vowed that his government would not purchase the F-35. But at the same time, Trudeau stated his government would hold an open competition for the fighter purchase.

The Liberal government backed away from its promise to freeze out the F-35 and the aircraft is now seen as a front-runner in the competition as it has many supporters in the Royal Canadian Air Force. Many of Canada’s allies plan to operate the plane.

Canada is a partner in the F-35 program and has contributed funding for the aircraft’s development.

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[DrCaleb]

So, they've already decided and don't want the Chosen One to fail.

[Thanos]

Well, y'know, stealth and all that makes it like cool, or something. It's basically like getting talked into paying an extra $5000 for a car by the salesman because he throws in the undercoating, Scotchgarding, and mudflaps "for free".

[Freakinoldguy]

Our procurement program has always been a gong show but to stop the cold weather tests might mean that one of two things are happening.

1. The gov't is so positive that global warming will strike Canada within the next decade that there's no need for cold weather tests on our military equipment anymore because we'll be a banana republic, literally or:

2. The gov't doesn't want the single engine F35 to fail because like Doc says, the choice for our new fighter has already been made.

Either way this decision may come back to bite our Air Force in the ass if these billion dollar planes start falling from the sky when patrolling the arctic taking the taxpayers hard earned money with them.

Here's hoping our friendly Finn's do a thorough enough test to show how these things perform in freakin cold weather. Although if they fail I doubt it'll matter to our gov't and Air Force anyway because we've been paying for the development of these jets and as any military man will tell you if it's shiny and new, you've just got to have one to.

[DrCaleb]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

2. The gov't doesn't want the single engine F35 to fail because like Doc says, the choice for our new fighter has already been made.

Another possibility is that these fighters won't need cold weather capability because the drought of people signing up for the Forces means the RCAF will likely be made up of drones, rather than manned aircraft. Aircraft will only be needed to intercept anything the drones find.

[uwish]

so if a drone finds something in the high arctic and launch a fighter to intercept it won't be cold?

[BartSimpson]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

So, they've already decided and don't want the Chosen One to fail.

That's exactly how a corrupt government functions.

[CDN_PATRIOT]

Both the Saab Gripen (which is a sexy plane) and the F-35 only have ONE ENGINE. That won't cut it here. Buy the goddamn Super Hornets already! They make the most sense in almost ALL categories!

-J.