[andyt]

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/rules-engagement-proposed-marriages-involving-immigrants-20110328-145736-258.html

$1:

The Harper government has quietly proposed that people coming to Canada to join their partner must stay in the relationship for two years or more before being formally granted permanent residence.

Makes sense to me

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Good move. Personally I think it should be 5 years but 2 years is a start.

[andyt]

I just got the joke in the title.

[Yogi]

The director of a legal clinic that serves the Asian community says the move will hurt women in violent relationships.
"It's going to be disastrous for women who are abused," said Avvy Go of the Metro Toronto Chinese and Southeast Asian Legal Clinic.

Not at all! In fact, it would force 'spouses' ( not only the female in a relationship is the recipient of spousal violence) to report the violence and have the offender charged. Once the charges have been dealt with,the offender gets bounced, and the remaining spouse gets to continue with the 'program'.

[andyt]

Yogi Yogi:

The director of a legal clinic that serves the Asian community says the move will hurt women in violent relationships.
"It's going to be disastrous for women who are abused," said Avvy Go of the Metro Toronto Chinese and Southeast Asian Legal Clinic.

Not at all! In fact, it would force 'spouses' ( not only the female in a relationship is the recipient of spousal violence) to report the violence and have the offender charged. Once the charges have been dealt with,the offender gets bounced, and the remaining spouse gets to continue with the 'program'.

Sorry, it doesn't work like that Yogi. The abuser would be the Canadian and so could not get bounced. If you're saying the other partner would continue with the program, we'd all of a sudden have all sorts of false claims of violence because the immigrant didn't want to stay in the relationship but didn't want to leave Canada either.

My answer to the director would be let the victim return to his/her own country. I mean did they emigrate her for love or because they wanted a quick way into the country? If they're not feeling the love anymore, let em go back home.

[Yogi]

andyt andyt:

Yogi Yogi:

The director of a legal clinic that serves the Asian community says the move will hurt women in violent relationships.
"It's going to be disastrous for women who are abused," said Avvy Go of the Metro Toronto Chinese and Southeast Asian Legal Clinic.

Not at all! In fact, it would force 'spouses' ( not only the female in a relationship is the recipient of spousal violence) to report the violence and have the offender charged. Once the charges have been dealt with,the offender gets bounced, and the remaining spouse gets to continue with the 'program'.

Sorry, it doesn't work like that Yogi. The abuser would be the Canadian and so could not get bounced. If you're saying the other partner would continue with the program, we'd all of a sudden have all sorts of false claims of violence because the immigrant didn't want to stay in the relationship but didn't want to leave Canada either.

My answer to the director would be let the victim return to his/her own country. I mean did they emigrate her for love or because they wanted a quick way into the country? If they're not feeling the love anymore, let em go back home.

WRONG!

As I stated in my post, 'a complaint is file-investigated-substantiated-
Adios, Asshole!

[andyt]

Yogi Yogi:

andyt andyt:

Yogi Yogi:

The director of a legal clinic that serves the Asian community says the move will hurt women in violent relationships.
"It's going to be disastrous for women who are abused," said Avvy Go of the Metro Toronto Chinese and Southeast Asian Legal Clinic.

Not at all! In fact, it would force 'spouses' ( not only the female in a relationship is the recipient of spousal violence) to report the violence and have the offender charged. Once the charges have been dealt with,the offender gets bounced, and the remaining spouse gets to continue with the 'program'.

Sorry, it doesn't work like that Yogi. The abuser would be the Canadian and so could not get bounced. If you're saying the other partner would continue with the program, we'd all of a sudden have all sorts of false claims of violence because the immigrant didn't want to stay in the relationship but didn't want to leave Canada either.

My answer to the director would be let the victim return to his/her own country. I mean did they emigrate her for love or because they wanted a quick way into the country? If they're not feeling the love anymore, let em go back home.

WRONG!

As I stated in my post, 'a complaint is file-investigated-substantiated-
Adios, Asshole!

'
wow, what's that Brenda likes to say about somebody pissing in your cornflakes?

It still doesn't work that way. This is about the abuser being Canadian - they can't get bounced. You want to give an exemption to immigrants who claim abuse, fine, but you're certainly going to get false allegations, and possibly false finding as well. For instance the immigrant coming after the Canadian who is then forced to defend themselves. If the Canadian is the man, who's going to be believed?

[Yogi]

andyt andyt:

andyt andyt:

Yogi Yogi:

The director of a legal clinic that serves the Asian community says the move will hurt women in violent relationships.
"It's going to be disastrous for women who are abused," said Avvy Go of the Metro Toronto Chinese and Southeast Asian Legal Clinic.

Not at all! In fact, it would force 'spouses' ( not only the female in a relationship is the recipient of spousal violence) to report the violence and have the offender charged. Once the charges have been dealt with,the offender gets bounced, and the remaining spouse gets to continue with the 'program'.

Sorry, it doesn't work like that Yogi. The abuser would be the Canadian and so could not get bounced. If you're saying the other partner would continue with the program, we'd all of a sudden have all sorts of false claims of violence because the immigrant didn't want to stay in the relationship but didn't want to leave Canada either.

My answer to the director would be let the victim return to his/her own country. I mean did they emigrate her for love or because they wanted a quick way into the country? If they're not feeling the love anymore, let em go back home.

WRONG!

As I stated in my post, 'a complaint is file-investigated-substantiated-
Adios, Asshole!

'
wow, what's that Brenda likes to say about somebody pissing in your cornflakes?

It still doesn't work that way. This is about the abuser being Canadian - they can't get bounced. You want to give an exemption to immigrants who claim abuse, fine, but you're certainly going to get false allegations, and possibly false finding as well. For instance the immigrant coming after the Canadian who is then forced to defend themselves. If the Canadian is the man, who's going to be believed?[/quote]

What part of 'substantiated' aren't you understanding?

[PublicAnimalNo9]

OK, let's say the claims are substantiated but the offending spouse is Canadian..then what should happen?

[Yogi]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

OK, let's say the claims are substantiated but the offending spouse is Canadian..then what should happen?

In such a case, the 'immigrant' isn't held to the '2 yr rule' and if they can support themselves, should be allowed to stay and carry on with the immigration process.

[andyt]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

OK, let's say the claims are substantiated but the offending spouse is Canadian..then what should happen?

That's my point - the only way this makes sense. If the offending spouse is the immigrant, well back they go, obviously. If the offending spouse is Canadian, I would still send the victim back home. As I said, they supposedly married out of love, not because they wanted an easy way into Canada. If the love is gone, they might as well go home.

[Brenda]

Yogi Yogi:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

OK, let's say the claims are substantiated but the offending spouse is Canadian..then what should happen?

In such a case, the 'immigrant' isn't held to the '2 yr rule' and if they can support themselves, should be allowed to stay and carry on with the immigration process.

Which makes immigration VERY easy.
"hey, I met you on FB, I want to come to Canada, play my partner for a while, k? Then you hit me, I leave you, you get a slap on the wrist, I pay you $25k, and I am in. Deal?"

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Brenda Brenda:

Yogi Yogi:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

OK, let's say the claims are substantiated but the offending spouse is Canadian..then what should happen?

In such a case, the 'immigrant' isn't held to the '2 yr rule' and if they can support themselves, should be allowed to stay and carry on with the immigration process.

Which makes immigration VERY easy.
"hey, I met you on FB, I want to come to Canada, play my partner for a while, k? Then you hit me, I leave you, you get a slap on the wrist, I pay you $25k, and I am in. Deal?"

Send me a pic first, then we'll talk about it

[Yogi]

Brenda Brenda:

Yogi Yogi:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

OK, let's say the claims are substantiated but the offending spouse is Canadian..then what should happen?

In such a case, the 'immigrant' isn't held to the '2 yr rule' and if they can support themselves, should be allowed to stay and carry on with the immigration process.

Which makes immigration VERY easy.
"hey, I met you on FB, I want to come to Canada, play my partner for a while, k? Then you hit me, I leave you, you get a slap on the wrist, I pay you $25k, and I am in. Deal?"

The 'offender', Canadian or immigrant, gets a criminal record out of the deal. I don't know any folks who would knowingly do this!

[hurley_108]

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