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I agree with a lot of what you say (divide and conquer!) but blaming multiculturalism for all of society's ills is a farce at best. It only proves that you hate people if they are different and you lack the ability to reason. A few arguments to your tirade below...<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]A multicultural state carries in it's geneses the seeds of eventual national destruction.[/QUOTE]<br /> True. To resolve the problem I propose that society be cleansed from immigrants. I propose that all people whose ancestors came to North Americe after 1492 leave this continent and move back where they came from. We should allow society to return to the single culture of the First Nations who owned this country for thousands of years, before they were invaded by the immigrants.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]Greed and corruption will characterize the government coupled with oppressive measures directed against citizens. Lies and deceit will be stock and trade of media, politicians, and educational institutions. Such are the bellwethers of a multiculturalist advent.[/QUOTE]<br /> I fail to understand what multiculturalism has to do with corruption. Corruption is human nature and present in all cultures. Nation states (such as India) are even more corrupt than multicultural ones.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]This technique was developed by Marxist ideologues who used multiculturalism in Russia to divide and conquer resistance to the institution of a communist state. The end result of their successful takeover was the murder of thirty million humans in the Soviet Union alone.[/QUOTE]<br /> This is a nutbar argument. Ancient cultures were also multicultural. The Romans were well known for absorbing cultures and even religions of other nations. During the best years of the Roman Empire Egyptian culture became very popular and churches dedicated to Egyptian gods sprung up all over the empire. One such example was the Isis cult. Later the Romans actually adopted the religion of a Middle Eastern cult (Christianity) and turned it into the official religion of Rome. After the fall of the Roman Empire, Christianity survived in the successor states of the empire and played a major role in the formation of European culture. The Middle Easter religion became the force that determined Europe and created at least some unity among European countries, ledf by the Pope. Multiculturalism built up Europe, including France and England.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]Deliberate fragmentation of these nations and the resultant loss of national identity[/QUOTE]<br /> Yes, I do agree with that. I am all for the preservation of Canadian culture. Immigrants should be expected to adjust, not continue living the old way. However... did you ever notice how second generation immigrants speak, think and act like Canadians? If the government forced them to abondone their cultures, they would rebel against it. Since there is no pressure on them, they willingly adjust. It's basic phychology.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]the armed might of NATO will be used to enforce obedience by non-compliant states.[/QUOTE]<br /> NATO is already streched. It's becoming more and more evident that the US and NATO are not enough to control the World. At least I hope so.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]It is a perfect method of ensuring that there can never in the future be accord, unity, and a common agreed upon destiny among those ruled.[/QUOTE]<br /> Name one nation state where there is perfect unity and its members always agree on everything. There is one party and everyone wants to belong in it and there are no diverse opinions. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/smile.gif' alt='Smile'> You are a dreamer.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]When implemented, it becomes in fact a battle over scarce resources and shrinking economic opportunities, with government weighing in on the side of cheap labour.[/QUOTE]<br /> It's called "globalism" not "multiculturalism". You are confused.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]The amount of multiculturalism in any society is directly proportional to the corruption[/QUOTE]<br /> That's a lie. Multiculturalism has nothing to do with corruption.<br /> <br /> Hey, here is a song I know you will like:<br /> "Auslander aus, auslander aus, auslander aus, auslander aus..."<br /> Do a search on Google and find out who sing it. That's what you are.

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One more thing that the anti-immigrant crusaders often ignore.<br /> <br /> We live in a consumer economy. Roughly two thirds of our economy comes from consumer spending. As a result, our economy is dependant on growth. Immigrants come to Canada with either good skills or money. When they start working, they have to start buying cause you can only take so much with you on the plane. They buy everything, from clothing to household items to cars and later homes. As they prosper, they buy more things ans spur economic activity. They also ensure that there will be enough young people around to pay for your retirement. Consumer spending creates a lot jobs. People who make enough money move out of the apartments and buy homes, causing a boom in the construction industry. Their places in the apartment buildings are taken by fresh arrivals, and the cycle continues. Canada, like most other countries, is led by businesses and they bring in immigrants because it makes business sense. I do think they should be more selective about immigrants and filter out the bad element. I also think that they should aim to get immigrants from countries whith cultures more similar to ours, to make the adjustment easier. However, without immigration say good bye to economic growth and return to a slower economy, fewer opportunities.<br /> <br /> Now how is that for an argument?<br />

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[QUOTE BY= badsector] One more thing that the anti-immigrant crusaders often ignore.<br /> <br /> We live in a consumer economy. Roughly two thirds of our economy comes from consumer spending. As a result, our economy is dependant on growth. Immigrants come to Canada with either good skills or money. When they start working, they have to start buying cause you can only take so much with you on the plane. They buy everything, from clothing to household items to cars and later homes. As they prosper, they buy more things ans spur economic activity. They also ensure that there will be enough young people around to pay for your retirement. Consumer spending creates a lot jobs. People who make enough money move out of the apartments and buy homes, causing a boom in the construction industry. Their places in the apartment buildings are taken by fresh arrivals, and the cycle continues. Canada, like most other countries, is led by businesses and they bring in immigrants because it makes business sense. I do think they should be more selective about immigrants and filter out the bad element. I also think that they should aim to get immigrants from countries whith cultures more similar to ours, to make the adjustment easier. However, without immigration say good bye to economic growth and return to a slower economy, fewer opportunities.<br /> <br /> Now how is that for an argument?<br /> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> <br /> To a point I agree in that industries like the housing industry feed off growth, but only until there is no more farmland to pave over.<br /> <br /> As for consuming, I don't see how it spurs that much growth when most of the consumer goods are sold by foreign-owned American corporations who manufacture the goods in China not Canada to save labour costs.<br /> <br /> Also, remember that Japan, a tiny country with few resources became the 2nd largest economy in the world over the 40 or 50 years after the war without any immigration at all--they used protectionism and other snaeky tactics and created the best auto industry in the world when the world was telling them they were too small to do so.

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[QUOTE]I agree with a lot of what you say (divide and conquer!) but blaming multiculturalism for all of society's ills is a farce at best. It only proves that you hate people if they are different and you lack the ability to reason. A few arguments to your tirade below...[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Well it wasn't my tirade I only posted it to see what people thought....I don't think that wanting to preserve one's culture makes people hateful of foreigners at all and I am quite confident I can reason with you. <br /> <br /> How is this for reason?: the coutnry you say you come from, China, accepts ZERO permanent non-Asian immgrants aside from a few western ESL teachers and businessmen and treats even visibly identical Koreans as foreigners. Chinese people in China would never even think of tolerating mass immigration nor should they have to so I find it hard to believe you can say what you say with a straight face.<br /> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE]True. To resolve the problem I propose that society be cleansed from immigrants. I propose that all people whose ancestors came to North Americe after 1492 leave this continent and move back where they came from. We should allow society to return to the single culture of the First Nations who owned this country for thousands of years, before they were invaded by the immigrants.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> The Asian "first nations" were not a single culture at all. They were dozens of DIFFERENT tribes who fought with each other too, even more than they fought with European powers later on.<br /> <br /> That said, if it is based on possession, why can't Europeans take the land from them? Aboriginals were not the "first nations" in truth, only the first nation that was here that is still in existence. There were many European and Asian nations that came and went, lived and killed each other off or died of disease over thousands of years, including the Vikings out east....the earliest archaeological evidence of a human presence in Canada was reported on the Discovery Channel as a EUROPEAN arrow head out west over 100,000 years old--dating from LONG before the period egalitarians clame all races divided from Africans which was always nonsense.<br /> <br /> In the United States, the earliest evidence was also European. "Kennewick Man" is a Caucasian who remains were mummified and was found in Wahington State in America--over 9200 years old. Kennewick Man came from a white race that had red hair and blue eyes, and was killed off by ASIAN "aboriginals". In fact, aboriginal tribes in the United States have stories about those people in their teachings and even have hair samples.<br /> <br /> Here is a google search for that term:<br /> <br /> <a href="http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=kennewick+man&meta=">here</a><br /> <br /> In other words, Europeans were actually "here" before asians were as far as current research shows so nice try. Asians are quite capable of committing genocide like anyone else obviously.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]I fail to understand what multiculturalism has to do with corruption. Corruption is human nature and present in all cultures. Nation states (such as India) are even more corrupt than multicultural ones.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> The connection I believe political scientists have drawn is that governing parties can increase the number of immigrants as immigrants tend to vote for the party that let them into the country. Both Liberal PM Pierre Trudeau and PC PM Brian Mulroney did this but it only helped the Liberals. Also, by funding ethnic festivals an cultural centres, Trudeau pandered to immigrant groups and in practice divided English Canada in competing blocks when it was originally quite homogeneous. This was a way to control people politically.....More recently Paul Martin actually used recent Sikh immigrants to get himself elected Liberal leader by busing them in, telling them to vote for the right guy and leave without a thought.<br /> <br /> Yes India is corrupt and a nation state but India IS multicultural. They are a mixed race or "hybrid society" that has many different languages--Hindi, Punjabi, Urdu and others and many religions including Hinduism, Islam, Sikhism, and Christianity. Indians mixed little with the Aryans that once subjugated them as the Aryans were too small in number and disappeared through intermixing but Indians did mix with Arabs, Aboriginals and others, including the Assyrians (Aryans) llong after Assyrians ceased being caucasian.<br /> <br /> Mexico is also quite corrupt and is a mixed society to a lesser extent--Brazil is very corrupt and is multicultural both racially and culturally.<br /> <br /> True Russia is not multicultural anymore and yet very corrupt just as it used to be. They still haven't learned yet. <br /> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE]This is a nutbar argument. Ancient cultures were also multicultural. The Romans were well known for absorbing cultures and even religions of other nations. During the best years of the Roman Empire Egyptian culture became very popular and churches dedicated to Egyptian gods sprung up all over the empire. One such example was the Isis cult. Later the Romans actually adopted the religion of a Middle Eastern cult (Christianity) and turned it into the official religion of Rome. After the fall of the Roman Empire, Christianity survived in the successor states of the empire and played a major role in the formation of European culture. The Middle Easter religion became the force that determined Europe and created at least some unity among European countries, ledf by the Pope. Multiculturalism built up Europe, including France and England.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> <br /> Multiculturalism built up ancient empires, but weakened their cultures. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I woudl have agreed with it in the past either. Some empires like Greece and Rome actually died out completely due to cultural and racial fragmentatation from expanding so far they couldn't control their homeland and they mixed with other groups, while losing their culture at home due to lack of people, will to maintain it.<br /> <br /> Ancient Egpyt and Aryan India and Persia suffered the same fate.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]<br /> Yes, I do agree with that. I am all for the preservation of Canadian culture. Immigrants should be expected to adjust, not continue living the old way. However... did you ever notice how second generation immigrants speak, think and act like Canadians?<br /> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> 2nd generation immigrants speak more like English Canadians than 1st generation, but this is becoming less and less the case as immigrants come in such large numbers they simply displace the old culture completely and learn a hybrid form of English if they learn English at all....there are many Chinese in China towns that are fourth generation yet speak little English and this is expanding as there are more than 4 China towns in Toronto alone.....these essentially amount to colonies.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]If the government forced them to abondone their cultures, they would rebel against it. Since there is no pressure on them, they willingly adjust. It's basic phychology.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Pre 1960s, most immigrants came from Europe and WERE forced to give up their former cultures (linguistically at least) and learn and speak either English or French as their first languages. They never rebelled as they were mostly European and wanted to be part of creating something new, not preserve something old. After hundreds of years of this, including many periods of almost no immigrants at all Canada did develop two distinct dialects of English and French including many distincy regional sub-dialects. These will eventually be lost under the current framework. <br /> <br /> What non-traditional immigrants fail to see is that they are being used to create our government's agenda....they of course do benefit as well but only at the expense of the host culuture. We can't accept so many foreigners and preserve our host culture.<br /> <br /> <br /> As I said above, people were forced in the past and did not rebel and many today do NOT willingly adjust, as our government tells and pays them not to. This promotes differences and helps the Liberals win EVERY seat in Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal.<br /> <br /> Part of immigrating should be losing your old culture and if any immigrants rebelled FINE. Let them. They would be deported or thrown in jail. This said most immigrants today I don't want integrating into our society anyway as they are non-traditional.<br /> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE]NATO is already streched. It's becoming more and more evident that the US and NATO are not enough to control the World. At least I hope so.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> <br /> Yeah that's true.<br /> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE]Name one nation state where there is perfect unity and its members always agree on everything. There is one party and everyone wants to belong in it and there are no diverse opinions. You are a dreamer.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Communist China is one example of a uniracial state that essentially crushed dissent. Many are also brainwashed or pro-authoritarian.....there are no perfect states, so name one reason why we should make ourselves more diverse and divisive by promoting differences instead of simliarities. Similarities are impossible when everyone is different and this can only lead to problems as we see in France, Denmark, Britain, Holland, Germany, etc...<br /> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE]It's called "globalism" not "multiculturalism". You are confused.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Multiculturalism was in my view simply one aspect of globalism. In our soceity, were there less prosperity, different diverse groups could conflict.<br /> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE]That's a lie. Multiculturalism has nothing to do with corruption.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> No it isn't and yes it does. Our governments are being influenced financially and at the ballot box by cultures we never said we wanted here. That is corruption in my book. <br /> <br /> Paul Martin even WENT TO DINNER with the Tamil Tigers, a known terrorist group, to get votes from Toronto 250,000 strong Tamil community. Martin also refused to classify them as a terrorist group despite the fact they are known by CSIS and the RCMP to fund terrorist activities abroad in Sri Lanka.<br /> <br /> Paul Martin and Jean Chretien also had strong ties to the Chinese communist party-owned businesses, and even the Chinese Triads who are a crime fraternity. That is corruption.<br /> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE]Hey, here is a song I know you will like:<br /> "Auslander aus, auslander aus, auslander aus, auslander aus..."<br /> Do a search on Google and find out who sing it. That's what you are.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> <br /> I found out who sings it just to make you happy. Thanks for the insult, I guess I won the argument if you had to resort to insulting me.<br /> <br /> You may want to fool Canadians into becoming a colony of China, but you can't fool me <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/exclaim.gif' alt='Exclaimation'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/lol.gif' alt='Laughing Out Loud'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/mrgreen.gif' alt='Mr. Green'>

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[QUOTE]the coutnry you say you come from, China,[/QUOTE]<br /> I never said I was from China. I am not.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]As for consuming, I don't see how it spurs that much growth when most of the consumer goods are sold by foreign-owned American corporations who manufacture the goods in China not Canada to save labour costs.[/QUOTE]<br /> All goods sold in Canada, regardless of where they are made, generate jobs in Canada. The goods have to be brought in, stored, taken to the stores, sold, etc. A lot of domestic and even Japanese cars are made in Canada. Most goods related to the housing industry are from Canada. The entire construction industry employs Canadian workers. So on...<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]Also, remember that Japan, a tiny country with few resources became the 2nd largest economy in the world over the 40 or 50 years after the war without any immigration at all[/QUOTE]<br /> A tiny country with a population of 127 million, one of the most densely populated countries on Earth. It's true though that Asian countries are not big on immigration and tolarence.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]the earliest archaeological evidence of a human presence in Canada was reported on the Discovery Channel as a EUROPEAN arrow head out west over 100,000 years old[/QUOTE]<br /> Hehhe, congrats to the Bush morons, I was pretty sure they would come up with something like this. Hitler's regime was big on proving that all famous writers (e.g. Shakespeare) were Germans. All fascist states are like that. Anyway, Kenewick man was said to be around 9000 years old and First Nations still have been here longer than that. Of course it's not impossible that early European and Chinese travellers found their ways to North America, but they weren't numerous enough to build nations here.<br /> <br /> Hey, years ago I read an interesting article about Chinese sailors making trips to North America. They found parts of Chinese ships off the coast of California and some of the local Indian population has oriental features.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]Trudeau pandered to immigrant groups and in practice divided English Canada in competing blocks when it was originally quite homogeneous.[/QUOTE]<br /> So homogenous that Ontario was originally French, Alberta and Saskatchewan joined the Confederation in 1905 and Newfoundland joined in 1949. The prairie provinces have a large immigrant population, for instance lots of Slavs (mostly Ukrainians) live in Saskatchewan. The town "Esterhazy" in Sasketchewan is Hungarian, named from a wealthy Hungarian count. No need to mention the Chinese railroad workers, etc... You see, immigrants have always been here, so why don't you rest your case? Your hate against immigrants is pretty baseless.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]This was a way to control people politically.....More recently Paul Martin actually used recent Sikh immigrants to get himself elected Liberal leader by busing them in, telling them to vote for the right guy and leave without a thought.[/QUOTE]<br /> A link please, from a credible source. Otherwise I expect an apology to Mr. Martin and the Sikh community.

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One quick Google search:<br /> <br /> <a href="http://baheyeldin.com/writings/politics/canada-federal-elections-2006-multiculturalism-in-action.html">Clickie here...</a><br /> <br /> "Conservative candidate Ajmer S. Mandur is an India-born Sikh who came to Canada as a teenager. He owns two small businesses "<br /> <br /> Hehehrhehe...

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[QUOTE]I never said I was from China. I am not.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> So when you said "where you are from" you meant where your parents came from, not where you came from. So you are Chinese but born in Canada, yet you travel to China to feel at home. K.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]All goods sold in Canada, regardless of where they are made, generate jobs in Canada. The goods have to be brought in, stored, taken to the stores, sold, etc.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br /> These are low-level jobs but yeah that's true. Illegals and immigrants take many of them.<br /> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE]A lot of domestic and even Japanese cars are made in Canada. Most goods related to the housing industry are from Canada. The entire construction industry employs Canadian workers. So on...[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> You are right.....although the construction industry is notorious for hiring illegal workers at half price for some of the dirty work--auto industry is better.<br /> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE]A tiny country with a population of 127 million, one of the most densely populated countries on Earth. It's true though that Asian countries are not big on immigration and tolarence.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> The European continent is also very smalll and also very densely populated. Japan did it with no immigration--Europe is in social chaos with mass immigration.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]Hehhe, congrats to the Bush morons, I was pretty sure they would come up with something like this. Hitler's regime was big on proving that all famous writers (e.g. Shakespeare) were Germans. All fascist states are like that. [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> What does this have to do with anything? <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/confused.gif' alt='Confused'> Shakespeare was not German, but he was quite possibly Nordic as many in Britain are which would have followed Hitler's thinking.<br /> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE]Anyway, Kenewick man was said to be around 9000 years old and First Nations still have been here longer than that. [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> No they haven't. Not all of them anyway. Why do you call them "first nations" when there are dozens of them who spoke different languages and hated each other and they also fought with each other. You always avoid these kinds of point I make.<br /> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE]Of course it's not impossible that early European and Chinese travellers found their ways to North America, but they weren't numerous enough to build nations here.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> What are you talking about? Even aboriginal settlements as late as the 19th century only numbered in the dozens or hundreds--and they are much larger in number now. Europeans DID build nations here, and like I said, Kennewick Man came from a white nation that was last found burned alive in a cave--exterminated by Asian aborginals. Nations died in other ways as well, including disease, starvation.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE]Hey, years ago I read an interesting article about Chinese sailors making trips to North America. They found parts of Chinese ships off the coast of California and some of the local Indian population has oriental features.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Chinese ships that were probably copies of European designs. In fact, the Chinese claim to be the longest continous civilization and they are, but there have also been caucasian remains found in China that date from 3000 B.C.--over 5000 years old.<br /> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE]So homogenous that Ontario was originally French, Alberta and Saskatchewan joined the Confederation in 1905 and Newfoundland joined in 1949.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br /> Ontario was homogeneously English since the mid 1700s. I speak English and I intend it to stay that way. Alberta and Saskatchewan were homogeneously English too, they weren't not English simply because they hadn't joined Confederation yet--it was British North America. Newfoundland joined in 1949 but spoke English and has quite a distinct dialect of English that is/will be threatened via mass immigration which is being forced on the east coast despite their lack of jobs.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]The prairie provinces have a large immigrant population, for instance lots of Slavs (mostly Ukrainians) live in Saskatchewan. [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> In reality Canadians opposed mass immigration from Ukraine like any other country as it displaced Anglophones from farms out west, and this immigration ended with the depression. It is true that Slavs were not treated with equal respect at the time, but they were still white and their descendants are mostly Canadian, they are no longer immigrants although you still seem to want to refer to them as immigrants. True, somt still speak Ukrainian, but without government handouts they would likely not last very long except in small numbers as an identifiable community. Most speak English as their first language anyway.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]<br /> The town "Esterhazy" in Sasketchewan is Hungarian, named from a wealthy Hungarian count.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br /> Yeah but most people there were still English and how many speak Hungarian there now? ZERO.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]<br /> No need to mention the Chinese railroad workers, etc... [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> There were mostly deported.<br /> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE]You see, immigrants have always been here, so why don't you rest your case? [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Immigrants have not always come here. The original immigration was the settling of the country from the French and British homelands. A couple more waves followed but mostly from Britain and other European countries and they were all forced to adopt English or French as their culture. They ceased to be immigrants and became integrated into the Canadian mainstream after the 2nd or 3rd generation.<br /> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE]Your hate against immigrants is pretty baseless.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Like I said I don't hate immigrants--only the rude ones. They are mostly decent people. This doesn't mean I want them to come and ruin my country however.<br /> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE]A link please, from a credible source. Otherwise I expect an apology to Mr. Martin and the Sikh community.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Umm, why not just google it? It is a common practice in politics.

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[QUOTE]So when you said "where you are from" you meant where your parents came from, not where you came from. So you are Chinese but born in Canada, yet you travel to China to feel at home. [/QUOTE]<br /> Negative, I am Caucasian. Some other guy said he was from China. I guess you don't even read what others write.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]Illegals and immigrants take many of them.[/QUOTE]<br /> Immigrants also take a lot of well paying IT jobs. You know why? Because they are good in it. Waht's your problem anyway? Can't you forgive people for being born somewhere else?<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]You are right.....although the construction industry is notorious for hiring illegal workers at half price [/QUOTE]<br /> Actually, that's not entirely accurate. However, allowing illegals to take jobs from locals is a right-wing policy. In the US they turned it into a system. H1-A and H1-B VISA holders take jobs from American workers. Bush recently removed all caps from guest workers, anyone who wants a jobs in the States can go. Lately, American workers are forced to train their H1-B replacements, then are fired and the geust workers take their places. Many jobs in the US are advertised for guest workers only. My guess is that your buddy Harper will do the same here. I already heard tham brag about the "worker shortage" in the oil and construction industries. Mark my words on this.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]What does this have to do with anything? Shakespeare was not German, but he was quite possibly Nordic[/QUOTE]<br /> Actually, there is a strong possibility that he was Italian. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/smile.gif' alt='Smile'> He sure was well versed in Italian culture (Romeo and Juliet).<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]Why do you call them "first nations" when there are dozens of them who spoke different languages and hated each other and they also fought with each other.[/QUOTE]<br /> OK. European nations also speak many different languages and European history is nothing else than a long list of wars. European nations pretty much hate each others' guts, cause they all have been in war with their nations before, they all suffered and they all remember. Europe is a powder keg. Btw, English history is pretty bloody as well and full of wars and civil wars. In fact, the new age in Europe officially started from the English Civil War (1640-1646). The past 50 years of relative calm was the longest period of peace in European history. Before 1945 such long lasting peace on the old continent was unheard of. Those darn European... they speak many languages and they hate each others' gunts. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/smile.gif' alt='Smile'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/smile.gif' alt='Smile'> Shouldn't you read more about history?<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]Even aboriginal settlements as late as the 19th century only numbered in the dozens or hundreds--and they are much larger in number now. [/QUOTE]<br /> You are badly in need of brushing up on native history, how much they numbered and how many died as a direct result of European invasion, from disease and ethnic cleansing. Currently, your absolute zero knowledge on this field prevents you frommaking an intelligent argument.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]Chinese ships that were probably copies of European designs. In fact, the Chinese claim to be the longest continous civilization and they are, but there have also been caucasian remains found in China that date from 3000 B.C.--over 5000 years old.[/QUOTE]<br /> Bruahahahahyahahhahahahhahhahahah!... Phew... Sorry, but this was funny. Chinese civilization is older than European. Europeans first started travelling to that part of the World in the 13th century (ever heard of Marco Polo?) and as a result took over many Chinese (and Mongolian) inventions. The Chinese were sea faring people before the Europeans and they invented the gun powder.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]Ontario was homogeneously English since the mid 1700s. I speak English and I intend it to stay that way. Alberta and Saskatchewan were homogeneously English too, they weren't not English simply because they hadn't joined Confederation yet--it was British North America.[/QUOTE]<br /> Ontario was French. Period. The English took over but the population has never been 100% English. The prairie provinces also had immigrants from the beginning. In fact, the French were in Canada before the English. Ever heard of Champlain? The French attempted to create a French North America by settling the land from Louisiana to Quebec. The English cut in the middle of it, then started invading the rest. Nove Scotia was French too (ever heard the term "Acadian"?). The Brits took their land in war, then ethnically cleansed them from Nova SCotia. Most French survivors were stripped from their properties and forced to join their cousines in Louisiana. Many died of starvation.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]In reality Canadians opposed mass immigration from Ukraine like any other country as it displaced Anglophones from farms out west, and this immigration ended with the depression.[/QUOTE]<br /> OK, so the Great Depression is the immigrants' fault as well? I guess globalization, over production and the lack of a consumers had nothing to do with it, eh? It was all the fault of immigrants. Of course, the depression was World wide but don't let facts disturb your anti-immigrant tirades. Facts are no good, they get int he way, destroy perfectly good arguments, etc.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]Yeah but most people there were still English and how many speak Hungarian there now? ZERO.<br /> [/QUOTE]<br /> That's precisely my point about immigration. Immigrants become Canadians. Chances are your ancestors had a few non-Anglo immigrants too.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]The original immigration was the settling of the country from the French and British homelands. A couple more waves followed but mostly from Britain and other European countries and they were all forced to adopt English or French as their culture. They ceased to be immigrants and became integrated into the Canadian mainstream after the 2nd or 3rd generation.<br /> [/QUOTE]<br /> Exactly. So when you brag about immigrants, you say you hate future Canadians. Do you always negate your own arguments? You are really pretty when you do that. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/smile.gif' alt='Smile'><br /> <br /> [QUOTE]Like I said I don't hate immigrants--only the rude ones. They are mostly decent people. [/QUOTE]<br /> Yes, and I also hate the once who cause trouble. For instance, I don't understand why Jamaicans can travel to Canada freely when it's obvious that a lot of them are involved in drugs and violent crime and why the criminals are not deported and banned from Canada for life. They should be. I would also like to see immigrants to adjust more to Canadian culture and leave their old customs behind.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]Umm, why not just google it? It is a common practice in politics.[/QUOTE]<br /> It's customary to provide links when you try to make a point.

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[QUOTE]Immigrants also take a lot of well paying IT jobs. You know why? Because they are good in it. Waht's your problem anyway? Can't you forgive people for being born somewhere else?[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> English and French Canadians are also good at IT jobs--the smartest are indeed the best and guaranteed to not be a spy for Communist China. We simply have the language skills the Asians who are recent immigrants don't have so we can pursue jobs in other areas as well like the languages, others arts that are in fashion.<br /> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE]Actually, that's not entirely accurate. However, allowing illegals to take jobs from locals is a right-wing policy.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> I never said I supported all right-wing policies.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]My guess is that your buddy Harper will do the same here. I already heard tham brag about the "worker shortage" in the oil and construction industries. Mark my words on this.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Harper is not my buddy though temporary work visas would be better than permanent illegal or even legal immigration.<br /> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE]Actually, there is a strong possibility that he was Italian. He sure was well versed in Italian culture (Romeo and Juliet).[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Technically, the British are a combination of many European sub-races like Nordic, Alpine....they are an aglomeration of Angles, Normans, Saxons, Germanic tribes......Italians are caucasian for the most part and are Alpines with some Mediterranean heritage as well....<br /> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE]OK. European nations also speak many different languages and European history is nothing else than a long list of wars. [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Right but in Canada they only spoke English and French--whereas aboriginals spoke literally dozens of languages. Only other languages that were once big were Dutch and Spanish in the United States.<br /> <br /> How can you say European history is nothing else? What about the art, music, architecture, philosphy, religion, inventions? You're nuts.<br /> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE]European nations pretty much hate each others' guts, cause they all have been in war with their nations before, they all suffered and they all remember. Europe is a powder keg. Btw, English history is pretty bloody as well and full of wars and civil wars. In fact, the new age in Europe officially started from the English Civil War (1640-1646). The past 50 years of relative calm was the longest period of peace in European history. Before 1945 such long lasting peace on the old continent was unheard of. Those darn European... they speak many languages and they hate each others' gunts. Shouldn't you read more about history?[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> What does this have to do with anything??? We weren't debating war history. CANADA has been much more peaceful and is one of the longest running democracies without a civil war in the world. Canada is my focus as you should know.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]<br /> You are badly in need of brushing up on native history, how much they numbered and how many died as a direct result of European invasion, from disease and ethnic cleansing. Currently, your absolute zero knowledge on this field prevents you frommaking an intelligent argument.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Actually no I don't. I did a project while in high school on aboriginal settlements in Canada. They numbered in the hundreds at most....in America, yes, there were millions but that makes sense because America has more fertile land and a more hospitable climate. The millions that died in America mostly died of disease--by accident not via biowarfare. The rest died via conflict.<br /> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE]Bruahahahahyahahhahahahhahhahahah!... Phew... Sorry, but this was funny. Chinese civilization is older than European. Europeans first started travelling to that part of the World in the 13th century (ever heard of Marco Polo?) and as a result took over many Chinese (and Mongolian) inventions. The Chinese were sea faring people before the Europeans and they invented the gun powder.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Actually, no. The Chinese are credited with a lot of things they actually picked up from Europeans. I will look for the evidence but the lack of inventive ability roday of the Chinese is enough proof for me.....today as in the past, the Chinese are stealing, copying the best of European technology.<br /> <br /> Some will suggest the Chinese also invented paper--they did not the WASP insect did. Some will suggest they invented Kung Fu, rice cultivation, acupuncture but all of these things were in reality white inventions that were introduced.<br /> <br /> Do your homework you disrespectful brat. Caucasians were in China over 5000 years ago. The "Chinese" that invented most Chinese inventions were white.<br /> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE]Ontario was French. Period. [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Yes but most of it was unpopulated at the time. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/rolleyes.gif' alt='Rolling Eyes'> <br /> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE]The English took over but the population has never been 100% English. [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> No just 98 or 99%. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/rolleyes.gif' alt='Rolling Eyes'> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE]The prairie provinces also had immigrants from the beginning.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br /> From Europe, largely Britain at first and they assimilated. Still not working. Nice try.<br /> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE]In fact, the French were in Canada before the English. [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Yeah I knew that.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]Ever heard of Champlain? The French attempted to create a French North America by settling the land from Louisiana to Quebec. The English cut in the middle of it, then started invading the rest. Nove Scotia was French too (ever heard the term "Acadian"?). The Brits took their land in war, then ethnically cleansed them from Nova SCotia. Most French survivors were stripped from their properties and forced to join their cousines in Louisiana. Many died of starvation.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> <br /> What does this have to do with anything I have said? What you said doesn't refute anything I said, it only complements it.<br /> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE]OK, so the Great Depression is the immigrants' fault as well? I guess globalization, over production and the lack of a consumers had nothing to do with it, eh? It was all the fault of immigrants. Of course, the depression was World wide but don't let facts disturb your anti-immigrant tirades. Facts are no good, they get int he way, destroy perfectly good arguments, etc.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Ah no. The Mackenzie King government under the pressure of the CPR took in mass immigration from eastern Europe from about 1921-1931. Everyone hated mass immigration for different reasons--the depression is what ENDED the immigration due to lack of resources and a fear of anarchy. I never said the depression was caused by immigration--banking and stock markets were.<br /> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE]That's precisely my point about immigration. Immigrants become Canadians. Chances are your ancestors had a few non-Anglo immigrants too.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Immigrants USED TO become Canadians because they came from white countries sporadically and in very small numbers. We had time to abdorb them. In the last 30 or 40 years, the foucs has been on foreign races and culture--not on keeping Canada Canadian. Where do you live? If you don' believe me, come to Toronto and simply ride the subway. It is like being in a foriegn Brazil or something.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE]Exactly. So when you brag about immigrants, you say you hate future Canadians. Do you always negate your own arguments? You are really pretty when you do that. [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> I didn't negate anything you have to try to understand what I write. The original immigration was British immigration in English Canada. These immigrants gradually created the culture that is English Canada and the distinct dialect and sub-dialects of English. It was immigration in a sense but really just the Empire settling its own territory--Canada was originally British North America and New France. Immigrants were immigrating to their own homeland. However, with time, Canada developed its own culture by chance or who knows how.....Canada then went though a period of NO immigration for many, many, many decaeds, with a few immgrants here and there until Clifford Sifton's massive EUROPEAN immigration from Eastern Europe arounf 1900--which was quite unpopular. After that and King's immigration ended, Canada actually increase its population through its birth rate.<br /> <br /> 6 million Canadians actually left for the United States in early 20th century, but we increased our population as our birth rate brought us 12 million kids at the same time.<br /> <br /> Canada never did again accept immigration after 1931 until post-world war II, and even then it was European mostly, until the 1960s. The government since the 1960s has been very different--that is what I have a problem with. Our politices since the 1960s, though I never would support mass immigration, only small amounts when we need or want it from only thr right sources.<br /> <br /> I didn't negate anything I said--Immigrants are not Canadianized automatically when you give them a piece of paper.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]I would also like to see immigrants to adjust more to Canadian culture and leave their old customs behind.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> I thought you favoured diversity? You can't have it both ways.<br /> <br /> <br />

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[QUOTE]CANADA has been much more peaceful and is one of the longest running democracies without a civil war in the world.[/QUOTE]<br /> Canada has a short history but had a fair share of wars. How about the French-Ango war or the War of 1812? They weren't a very long time ago.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]Do your homework you disrespectful brat. Caucasians were in China over 5000 years ago. The "Chinese" that invented most Chinese inventions were white.<br /> [/QUOTE]<br /> Nonononono... you are blinded by your hate towards other races and making baseless arguments.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]From Europe, largely Britain at first and they assimilated. Still not working. Nice try.[/QUOTE]<br /> It is working. You just acknowledged that immigrants assimilate and become Canadians. Hence, your hate towards the fist generation is pointless. Of course, you're racist too. I am not. I don't care what color someone's skin is, that has nothing to do with that person's value as a human being. Normally I find very little value in people who are racist. They tend to be the bottom 1%.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]Immigrants USED TO become Canadians because they came from white countries sporadically and in very small numbers. We had time to abdorb them. In the last 30 or 40 years, the foucs has been on foreign races and culture--not on keeping Canada Canadian. [/QUOTE]<br /> What's Canadian anyway? The first Canadians weren't white at all and they have been here for tens of thousands of years. Today's Canadians are pretty diverse. All races and nationalities contribute to the wealth of this country. Of course, you neo-nazis don't give credit to anyone but whites but if you opened your eyes you would realize that everyone has something good to offer.

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I hate having to do this as you ignore the 15 good points I make and pretend I made a lousy post by question ing 2 or 3 details. Anyway, here goes.<br /> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE]Canada has a short history but had a fair share of wars. How about the French-Ango war or the War of 1812? They weren't a very long time ago.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Notice I said CIVIL war. The American Revolution is seen by some as an internal civil war between British colonies, but aside from the American War of Indepedence, there have been no civil wars since Confederation. Yes I will grant that conflicts pre-1867 are still Canadian history as they involve the people who ended up creating Canada. As for the War of 1812, like I said there were no civil wars. America was already a nation state by that time.<br /> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE]Nonononono... you are blinded by your hate towards other races and making baseless arguments.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> If you want evidence of the caucasian presence in China pre-contemporary China I can provide it. I don't hate the Chinese, but that doesn't mean I want Canada to be a colony of China. You are the hateful one--you hate those who disagree with you about diversity.<br /> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE]It is working. You just acknowledged that immigrants assimilate and become Canadians.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> NO, I said they USED TO becom,e Canadians--since the 1960s-1970s our government has promoted differences and paid groups to maintain old cultural traditions, even ones that contradict western notions of a safe society, such as the recent decision of the Supreme Court to allow Sikhs in Quebec to carry ceremonial Knives to school or the ruling allowing Sikh Mounties to wear Turbans.<br /> <br /> Also, the number of immigrants at 250,000 a year is simply to high and immigrants end up displacing the people they would need to live with to assimilate. Over 80% are from Africa and Asia and that doesn't represent our traditional Canada either so keep throwing them at me and I'll keep asnwering them.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]Hence, your hate towards the fist generation is pointless. [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> I explained above how it is not pointless. That said, opposing mass immigration is not hateful, and all countries in Africa, Asia and even Israel gladly deport and keep out those they deem unsuitable for their nations. We can do the same, thank you,<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]<br /> Of course, you're racist too. I am not. I don't care what color someone's skin is, that has nothing to do with that person's value as a human being.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> I do resent that but you're getting pretty reaching with your arguments anyway. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/lol.gif' alt='Laughing Out Loud'> I have many non-white friends but that doesn't mean I'm stupid. It is quite possible to value individual human beings while believing in the traditional Canada which is not a multicultural Canada. <br /> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE]Normally I find very little value in people who are racist. They tend to be the bottom 1%.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> <br /> Bottom 1%? What about the educated Globe and Mail readers who a few months ago stated in a poll how many of them valued those of each racial background--putting whites first, then Asians (at well UNDER 50%, with blacks last at under 25%. This was in the Globe and Mail!!1<br /> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE]What's Canadian anyway? The first Canadians weren't white at all and they have been here for tens of thousands of years.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br /> Tens of thousands of years is an exaggeration but who cares. CANADA is a "nation state" which is a European invention developed around linguistic commonlity.<br /> <br /> It is true that there have for a long time been black and Asian Canadians after they were granted the right to citizenship. That said, aboriginals didn't get the right to vote until the 1960s-100 years after Confederation. You define a country by its dominant culture, not its minorities. French and English--and in 1961 about 97% white.<br /> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE]Today's Canadians are pretty diverse. [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Not all of them are Canadians. Anyway, we're still over 80% white, just not in our major cities.<br /> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE]All races and nationalities contribute to the wealth of this country. [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> That's the problem right there. We don't want "mant nationalities"--we want one--MAYBE two, French and English.<br /> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE]Of course, you neo-nazis don't give credit to anyone but whites but if you opened your eyes you would realize that everyone has something good to offer.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> <br /> What's this about white supremacism? We are a majority white nation even now. I am acknowledging Whites are supreme in that it is a white nation in numbers and English and French are the dominant languages. I simply want this recognized, respected and preserved. <br /> <br /> I never said non-Europeans don't have gifts. If they are so talented why are their countries so awful to live in? If they have degrees, then they are selfish if they choose to come to Canada for money.

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My suggestion: read more. It will help. See ya.

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[QUOTE BY= badsector] My suggestion: read more. It will help. See ya.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> I read more than anyone. Decided to give up?

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No, I just don't like pointless arguments. Ever noticed that the more intelligent a person is the less likely that he/she is racist? Probably you didn't notice. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/smile.gif' alt='Smile'>

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[QUOTE BY= badsector] No, I just don't like pointless arguments. Ever noticed that the more intelligent a person is the less likely that he/she is racist? Probably you didn't notice. [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> That's non sequitor. Being racist or not is completely independent of intelligence. True there are racists who have no cogent arguments to back up their views and are quite classless, but they do at least follow their instincts. <br /> <br /> Liberals on the other hand can be as brilliant as Pierre Trudeau and simply not get it when it comes to reading people and situations.