[ManifestDestiny]

You guys can keep your "free healthcare" we dont want it, over 70% of Americans feel this way.

Like I need my healthcare run by the goverment, Just look at your average motor vechicle departments. Thats not how I want my HC run.

[sasquatch2]

Streaker

$1:

You're splitting hairs. The outcome of the invasion was the death of huge numbers of innocents.

Who invaded Iraq, again?

Unsupported statements.
Saddam was a very efficient butcher....even resorted to WMD on his own citizens.

[YOUR_DEAD]

ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:

You guys can keep your "free healthcare" we dont want it, over 70% of Americans feel this way.

Like I need my healthcare run by the goverment, Just look at your average motor vechicle departments. Thats not how I want my HC run.

How come the DMV is the example critics always use? How are those socialist Fire Department, Police, or Military working out for you?

[sthompson]

Yup, it really sucks when I go to the hospital and get free care. Awful. Terrible. Oh, the red tape. Wait, there is no red tape, because red tape is what you get when you have to get private health insurance. But if you buy into the sales pitches of the vultures who work in the US insurance industry then I guess you wouldn't know that.

Oh, and ManifestDestiny, just because most people think something doesn't make it right/true. That's called a logical fallacy. Look it up.

Unfortunately, pretty soon there may be no differences left between Canada and the U.S., thanks to all the "harmonization" between Canadian and U.S. standards, regulations and policies being put in place by the CEOs of companies like Wal-Mart under the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP). And we'll have nothing to argue about anymore. Unless we stop the progress of deep integration.

[Diogenes]

"Oh, and Manifest Destiny, just because most people think something doesn't make it right/true. That's called a logical fallacy. Look it up.

What particular logical fallacy are you pointing to Susan?

"Argumentum ad numerum (argument or appeal to numbers). This fallacy is the attempt to prove something by showing how many people think that it's true. But no matter how many people believe something, that doesn't necessarily make it true or right. Example: "At least 70% of all Americans support restrictions on access to abortions." Well, maybe 70% of Americans are wrong!

This fallacy is very similar to argumentum ad populum, the appeal to the people or to popularity. When a distinction is made between the two, ad populum is construed narrowly to designate an appeal to the opinions of people in the immediate vicinity, perhaps in hope of getting others (such as judges) to jump on the bandwagon, whereas ad numerum is used to designate appeals based purely on the number of people who hold a particular belief. The distinction is a fine one, and in general the terms can be used interchangeably in debate rounds. (I've found that ad populum has better rhetorical effect.)

Argumentum ad populum (argument or appeal to the public). This is the fallacy of trying to prove something by showing that the public agrees with you. For an example, see above. This fallacy is nearly identical to argumentum ad numerum, which you should see for more details."


And, "... just because most people think something doesn't make it right/true."
Ihave been trying to get that across to you on another topic.


As far as health care in Canada goes, and it will, and down the drain too, due to the apathy of Canadian voters

[Dr Caleb]

Diogenes Diogenes:

What particular logical fallacy are you pointing to Susan?

I think she's referring to his 'appeal from authority' that Canadian medicine is 'socialized' and somehow it it 'free'. (everybody knows it, so it must be true)

In 'socialized' medicine, the doctors work for the state. In Canada they work for themselves, just like in the US. In Canada, there is only one healthcare insurance company, unlike the US. Costs are paid by taxes, and far from 'free'.

Oddly enough, 'DMV's' are also private companies in Alberta. Man, do they suck.

Diogenes Diogenes:

As far as health care in Canada goes, and it will, and down the drain too, due to the apathy of Canadian voters.

People are starting to wise up on that. Kevin Taft, before he was Liberal Leader, wrote reports on healthcare in Alberta. Too bad Klien buried them. They told the real story of how 'unsustainable' really was cover for 'underfunded'.

Steady Eddie has proposed cutting premiums for Healthcare, and actually implementing the Mazenkowski report, so people don't buy that it's unsustainable anymore.

[BartSimpson]

YOUR_DEAD YOUR_DEAD:

ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:

You guys can keep your "free healthcare" we dont want it, over 70% of Americans feel this way.

Like I need my healthcare run by the goverment, Just look at your average motor vechicle departments. Thats not how I want my HC run.

How come the DMV is the example critics always use? How are those socialist Fire Department, Police, or Military working out for you?

Apples and oranges.

Compare the DMV to fire department, police department, and military adminstrators and then you'd be on the right page.

[BartSimpson]

sthompson sthompson:

Yup, it really sucks when I go to the hospital and get free care.

Really? So you pay no taxes whatsoever? You make no payments to Health Canada? So you're just a parasite on the Canadian economy, right?

[Arrow]

MGX MGX:

Healthcare in Canada is not free.

No. Just spread out over the populace That said, sounds like a better overall approach to me IMHO.

[Arrow]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

sthompson sthompson:

Yup, it really sucks when I go to the hospital and get free care.

Really? So you pay no taxes whatsoever? You make no payments to Health Canada? So you're just a parasite on the Canadian economy, right?

Fine. So we all pay taxes to support health care for all. Terrible eh? That said, if we all struck a middle ground about looking after ourselves in the first place, it'd be a better thing and in the great scheme of things will turn out to be. But the uncomfortable reality of things is that it's better to be a working ahmoe in Canada and get sick than it it in the States.

[BartSimpson]

Arrow Arrow:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

sthompson sthompson:

Yup, it really sucks when I go to the hospital and get free care.

Really? So you pay no taxes whatsoever? You make no payments to Health Canada? So you're just a parasite on the Canadian economy, right?

Fine. So we all pay taxes to support health care for all.

Uhm, no.

If this guy is not paying any taxes (in order for "free" to be true) then not all of you pay to support the system.

Arrow Arrow:

Terrible eh? That said, if we all struck a middle ground about looking after ourselves in the first place, it'd be a better thing and in the great scheme of things will turn out to be. But the uncomfortable reality of things is that it's better to be a working ahmoe in Canada and get sick than it it in the States.

Cool. So you don't mind if we send all of our homeless and 20 million Mexicans on up to enjoy your free healthcare, eh?

[ManifestDestiny]

And dont forget the millions of Americans in public housing that dont pay a dime for healthcare. they can have them also.

[YOUR_DEAD]

So Americans don't pay taxes? C'mon, per capita health spending by the government is twice in the US of what it is in Canada, the difference is that in the US it goes to private insurance companies instead of back into the system.

Oh BTW, from Economist Magazine



http://www.economist.com/daily/chartgal ... d=10835581

[BartSimpson]

So what is an "average income" according to this survey?

[Regina]

Oh brother....