[Tricks]

He did a speech here. Found it sub-par. What is the opinion on this guy?

[hwacker]

He's nutts

[Tricks]

hwacker hwacker:

He's nutts

Yeah I kinda gathered that too.

[sandorski]

His record speaks for itself. That is, he's got cajones and has used them to better all our lives. As an Activist he's alright, probably would be a good Politician as well, but he'd make a lousy President or Leader where issues are more diverse than what he has been involved with.

[Scape]

He is a consumer’s issues advocate. Past his prime as far as I am concerned. Has some points but ends up doing more harm to the issues he is crusading for because people end up talking about him rather than the issues he is trying to raise.

So Hwacker sumed it up nicely.

[xerxes]

He's still got some good points to make especially on the increasingly negative influences of corporations in politics (at least in the US) and like Space mentioned, on issues of consumer issues.

Thing is, his reputation will forever be tarred by what happened in Florida in 2000 fair or unfair as it may be.

And Tricks, first Jack Layton and now Ralph Nader, you've had some interesting speakers so far at your university (I'm quite jealous I must say). You're going to U of Western Ontario right?

[Freakinoldguy]

While I applaud his crusading on behalf of consumers, it seems rather strange that he garned most of his fame from faulty data about the Corvair in his book unsafe at any speed.

The unfortunate thing about fame though is that it tends to make the famous feel they somehow know more than everyone else and their opinions matters more. This I believe has been Naders downfall. Had he stuck to strictly consumer protection he probably would have been alot more credible.

[Tricks]

xerxes xerxes:

Thing is, his reputation will forever be tarred by what happened in Florida in 2000 fair or unfair as it may be.

what happened in florida?

$1:

And Tricks, first Jack Layton and now Ralph Nader, you've had some interesting speakers so far at your university (I'm quite jealous I must say). You're going to U of Western Ontario right?

Suzuki as well. I'm technically at UWO. But I'm at one of the affiliates. KUC. And that's where these speeches are taking place, not at the main campus. Our student council is bringing them in. Though I kinda wish there was more of a balance. They are only getting people who are the popular opinion amongst the students. Why not get someone from the other side?

[Tricks]

lily lily:

$1:

Why not get someone from the other side?

Because.....

$1:

They are only getting people who are the popular opinion amongst the students.

Does that mean that they can't get someone with a different opinion? Don't get me wrong, the ones I went to were good, but only for the reason that I am able to later use these speeches against them All three of them have said stupid shit, or been unobservant twits. At least give people on the other side of the spectrum the same opportunity, why do I get to have all the fun?

[xerxes]

Tricks Tricks:

xerxes xerxes:

Thing is, his reputation will forever be tarred by what happened in Florida in 2000 fair or unfair as it may be.

what happened in florida?

$1:

And Tricks, first Jack Layton and now Ralph Nader, you've had some interesting speakers so far at your university (I'm quite jealous I must say). You're going to U of Western Ontario right?

Suzuki as well. I'm technically at UWO. But I'm at one of the affiliates. KUC. And that's where these speeches are taking place, not at the main campus. Our student council is bringing them in. Though I kinda wish there was more of a balance. They are only getting people who are the popular opinion amongst the students. Why not get someone from the other side?

A lot of people still blame Nader for costing Gore the election by stealing votes that would have went to Gore.

And who knows, maybe David Horowitz will bring his Islamofascism awareness week up your way...

[hwacker]

xerxes xerxes:

Tricks Tricks:

xerxes xerxes:

Thing is, his reputation will forever be tarred by what happened in Florida in 2000 fair or unfair as it may be.

what happened in florida?

$1:

And Tricks, first Jack Layton and now Ralph Nader, you've had some interesting speakers so far at your university (I'm quite jealous I must say). You're going to U of Western Ontario right?

Suzuki as well. I'm technically at UWO. But I'm at one of the affiliates. KUC. And that's where these speeches are taking place, not at the main campus. Our student council is bringing them in. Though I kinda wish there was more of a balance. They are only getting people who are the popular opinion amongst the students. Why not get someone from the other side?

A lot of people still blame Nader for costing Gore the election by stealing votes that would have went to Gore.

And who knows, maybe David Horowitz will bring his Islamofascism awareness week up your way...

Talk about lowering you're IQ with one post.

are you walking around bumping into walls now?

[Streaker]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

While I applaud his crusading on behalf of consumers, it seems rather strange that he garned most of his fame from faulty data about the Corvair in his book unsafe at any speed.

The unfortunate thing about fame though is that it tends to make the famous feel they somehow know more than everyone else and their opinions matters more. This I believe has been Naders downfall. Had he stuck to strictly consumer protection he probably would have been alot more credible.

Interesting - I'd never heard that Unsafe At Any Speed contained false data. Either way, his book has saved thousands of lives and for that he deserves credit.

I agree that Nader has quite an ego, though.

[xerxes]

hwacker hwacker:

xerxes xerxes:

Tricks Tricks:

xerxes xerxes:

Thing is, his reputation will forever be tarred by what happened in Florida in 2000 fair or unfair as it may be.

what happened in florida?

$1:

And Tricks, first Jack Layton and now Ralph Nader, you've had some interesting speakers so far at your university (I'm quite jealous I must say). You're going to U of Western Ontario right?

Suzuki as well. I'm technically at UWO. But I'm at one of the affiliates. KUC. And that's where these speeches are taking place, not at the main campus. Our student council is bringing them in. Though I kinda wish there was more of a balance. They are only getting people who are the popular opinion amongst the students. Why not get someone from the other side?

A lot of people still blame Nader for costing Gore the election by stealing votes that would have went to Gore.

And who knows, maybe David Horowitz will bring his Islamofascism awareness week up your way...

Talk about lowering you're IQ with one post.

are you walking around bumping into walls now?

Dude, that's what Horowitz himself is calling it. Follow this Link and see for yourself, if you can still read that is.

[Toro]

He helped deliver the White House to Bush.

[BartSimpson]

Nader, whom I am not enamored of, is a quirky little fellow whose politics tend to run to a blend of idealistic FDR New Deal-ism with a smattering of Soviet Five-Year Plan grandiosity for seasoning.

Yes, he has done some measurable good for consumers around the world and if you had a list of people who deserve a Nobel Prize more than Al Gore I'd put Nader on it without a doubt.

But has he stolen votes from Democrats to help Republicans?

No more than Ross Perot stole votes from the GOP in 1992.

It wasn't Nader's fault or Perot's fault that people left their parties to vote for them - it was the fault of the parties for alienating their people so much that they left to vote for someone else.

People like Nader and Perot are actually very important to the two party system because they can force the parties to respond to the unanswered wants, needs, and desires of their supporters.

The GOP responded to Perot's 1992 actions with The Contract With America in 1994 and they took control of Congress from the Democrats.

The Democrats bitched about Nader in 2000, bitched about him again in 2004, and then got with the program and got back in touch with their base and took control of Congress from the GOP in 2006.

*If* they stay on message in 2008 they'll get the White House, too.

Nader, as I recall, is staying home for the next election so the Dems don't have to worry about him.