[fifeboy]

andyt andyt:

Ruxpercnd Ruxpercnd:

Does Canada have a lot less crime than America?



The 2nd Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, does not grant the right to bear arms, rather it simply prohibits our government from interferring with our natural God given right.

To the first question, the answer is yes. Especially as far as gun crime is concerned.

To the second statement - can you point to where God says you have the right to bear arms? His son seemed to have been big on turning the other cheek. Has God now declared this teaching null and void? What other teachings of the Son is God denying now?

Damn andyt, you gone and opened that door. Now we gotta hear all about cloaks and swords in Luke 22. (I think Jesus must have been a Sikh. If he had been an American it would read: "But now if you have a purse, hold on to it closely as some Mexican will try to rippith it away , and also a bag; and if you don't have an assault rifle, sell your cloak and buy one.")

Thus sayith the Lord.

[fifeboy]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

A few things....

1. The US Supreme Court yesterday heard arguments about why the 2nd Amendment should be incorporated and applied to the States and municipalities and not just be a limitation on the Federal Government. From all reports, it is expected by June that the various gun bans that exist in parts of the USA and the various laws against open carry will be no more. This decision will also prevent any portion of any international treaty banning guns from applying to US citizens. Basically, those people around the world who don't like our right to keep and bear arms can kiss our a$$es.

Nobody here is saying you need to change. An American brought up the topic

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

2. "A well regulated militia" does NOT refer to the National Guard. The 'militia' is legally defined in the USA as anyone between the ages of 18 and 45 who is fit to carry and use a firearm. This was defined yet again in Heller.

Same as 1

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

3. The vast and overwhelming amount of violent crime in the US involves black and Hispanic males between the ages of 14-25. Canada has no such population (by demographics) at the current time but I will observe that in GTA a disproportionate amount of crime is committed by Jamaicans. In most of Canada where there are none or few Jamaicans there are also none or few firearms crimes.

You really do not know as much as you think you do about Canada. Check out the Aboriginal Crime stats on google.

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

4. When someone is armed and dangerous in Canada the military can kill them without warning or discussion - I know because I personally witnessed this in Victoria in 2001. That's a big deterrent to gun crime right there. In the US no such thing could happen because too many people are concerned about the rights of bank robbers, murderers, and rapists. You folks often forget that you don't have such a great personal need for firearms because your military is pretty damned effective at dealing with such things.

Same as 1

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

5. The US Supreme Court has ruled on nine different occasions that the police and etc. have no obligation whatsoever to protect individuals and that individuals are responsible for their own defense. And that's a tough thing to do if you are not allowed to have a firearm to even your odds against criminals who are armed.

Ditto 1

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

6. If you folks want gun control, have at it. Kindly allow us the freedom to do what we want in our own country. Thanks.

Again---1

[Ruxpercnd]

andyt andyt:

To the second statement - can you point to where God says you have the right to bear arms? His son seemed to have been big on turning the other cheek. Has God now declared this teaching null and void? What other teachings of the Son is God denying now?

Well... one difference between Canada and U.S. is our system of rights. Since we don't have a royal family and church to grant us rights, we have to grant ourselves rights. In U.S., we are not subjects, we are sovereign. Not to say that there aren't many forces at work to subjugate us. The final protector of my rights is myself and I feel a handgun will help with that. A man without a gun is a subject, an armed man is a citizen.

So.... if Canadians were allowed to carry handguns, would all hell break loose? Probably not. I think you would just line up all those beer cans and plink them. The whole thing about banning handguns is to put you in your place. Must apply subjugation. Even in U.S. we have a gun shortage. We need a lot more guns and ammo. We need a total of about 1 billion guns and about 300 billion rounds of ammo. So much work to do... so much.

[herbie]

Yep that's it. I don't own a weapon that's only good for shooting people because the Queen doesn't allow it.
The evil rotten tyrant makes us shoot beer cans with a 22 rifle and won't let us play banjo music either...

[cgelsie]

Why would a Canadian want to carry around a handgun? We don't live in a war zone or a video game.

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[BartSimpson]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

Okay, this is what pisses me off about Americans.

What makes you and angler believe that you are above Canadian law and Canadian customs while in Canada? That's why sandorski said no.

Who said I was above Canadian law? Just the same as Canadians who visit the states respect our laws regarding marijuana so I respect Canadian laws with regards to firearms.

[BartSimpson]

cgelsie cgelsie:

Why would a Canadian want to carry around a handgun? We don't live in a war zone or a video game.

Yet you all have fire extinguishers all over the place and the country isn't constantly on fire, is it? So why do you people have fire extinguishers?

Because you never know if you're going to need one.

If you find yourself needing a fire extinguisher and you don't have one, well, you're fucked.

The same rule applies to handguns.

Sure, Canadians are a very nice bunch of people and you generally don't need a handgun, but wouldn't the world have been a better place if once of these girls had been armed when she met Paul Bernardo?

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[cgelsie]

$1:

Sure, Canadians are a very nice bunch of people and you generally don't need a handgun, but wouldn't the world have been a better place if once of these girls had been armed when she met Paul Bernardo?

Now that's a totally dumb example. Unless you know something I don't, there's been no evidence presented that any of these girls would have considered him a threat until it was too late. In fact, his wife's sister died choking on vomit after they had drugged her.

If you insist on using Bernardo as an example, you would be better to comment his role as the Scarborough rapist. Then you could say if one of the women he raped over the years had been carrying a gun and had been able to get it after he launched his surprise attack on her, the world would have been a better place.

Or maybe, he just would have gotten a gun and been able to start kidnapping his victims sooner (since he wouldn't have had to rely so much on charm and opportunity). Maybe instead of just raping and beating, he would have graduated to torture and murder sooner.

[herbie]

I'm amazed how often gun nuts use that excuse.
Suggesting that 14 & 15 year olds should be allowed to carry concealed hand guns to protect themselves from Bernardos and Olsons isn't even sane. It's pretty much a classic psychological indicator of a detachment from reality.
In the 40 years between these serial killers there would have been thousands of teen deaths from accidental discharges and impulsive use of said concealed weapons vs. the dozen at the hands of those killers, and no proof whatsoever any victim would have had one let alone had the opportunity to use one in time.
Therefore anyone expressing such an opinion would not be issued a permit to own any gun here as they were most likely mentally unstable.

What's the next 'logical' step along that line of thinking? That if all crack whores were required to own a gun and keep it trained on the johns while they serviced them there would be no Pictons to worry about?

[fifeboy]

herbie herbie:

Yep that's it. I don't own a weapon that's only good for shooting people because the Queen doesn't allow it.
The evil rotten tyrant makes us shoot beer cans with a 22 rifle and won't let us play banjo music either...

Now that this has been pointed out, I feel so ashamed.

[bootlegga]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

Well, America. When zombies come after a failed Swine Flu cure, you guys can have fun. I guess we'll just become zombies. We're fine with that.

[Gunnair]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

cgelsie cgelsie:

Why would a Canadian want to carry around a handgun? We don't live in a war zone or a video game.

Yet you all have fire extinguishers all over the place and the country isn't constantly on fire, is it? So why do you people have fire extinguishers?

I'm not terribly worried about someone sneaking into my house when I'm very much asleep, stealing my fire extinguisher, and spraying me with CO2. Likewise, I'm not overly worried that someone will break into my house when I'm away, steal my fire extiguisher, then rob a bank with it.

Seriously, in previous posts on this thread you pointed out, quite rightfully, that this is an American issue, and we can politely but out about trying to impose our ideology on you. Why then, are you trying to sell your ideology north by trying to scare us with non-existent boogiemen?

Have your right to bear arms down south, it is your right. Please don't try to bludgeon it into us. Most don't buy it.