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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2003 7:36 am
 


Epcor stops selling energy contracts



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POSTED AT 4:54 PM Friday, August 29

One of Alberta's biggest power providers will no longer sell natural gas and electricity contracts.

Edmonton based Epcor was allowing home owners and other customers to sign five and three year contracts to receive fixed gas and electricity rates. The company says it's a business decision and has nothing to do with deregulation.

Epcor president Don Lowry says existing contract customers need not worry. He says "it virtually doesn't effect the customers we have contracts with. We will continue to honour those contracts until expiration. We are in the process of talking to other parties should we sell this business."

The Alberta Liberals and New Democrats are calling this a major blow to the Klein government's deregulation policies. Liberal leader Ken Nicol says it leaves Albertans with few choices other than to pay the high cost of deregulated gas and electricity.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2003 9:07 am
 


Ah, yes...deregulation in action. Are the people in Alberta paying more for the gas to heat their homes than people in the USA are, or do we still have to wait a bit for that to happen?


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2003 11:02 am
 


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Ah, yes...deregulation in action. Are the people in Alberta paying more for the gas to heat their homes than people in the USA are, or do we still have to wait a bit for that to happen?


Yes I would like to see the actual numbers on that.

If all it takes is the Canadian industry CEO's to unite, maybe all we need is to get pushed around some more by the USA. Nothing will unite like having a common antagonist! Bring it on Bush, lets see what playing the part of the bully gets you.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2003 11:38 am
 


Ditto.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2003 7:58 am
 


I'm with you all! I grew up in Perth-Andover N.B. right next to the boarder with maine! there is two damns there one in beachwood and one in the tobic! beachwood goes to the states and tobic actually goes to quebec, most of it anyway! Plus watching all the lumber trucks heading down the road for maine! Its sad. Here we are the country with huge amounts of resourses and we have to sell the the states at what their price!! Plus they get all the good lumber. With that said and all the oil water and what not that goes to the states, who really has the power. If we want to raise prices why not do it. The us does what they want why cant we? One day on the playground a bully tried to take my lunch money. I had enough and kicked him in the nuts. He couldnt run so I pretty much did what I wanted. For fear of getting a kick in the nuts again he never bothered me after that. I think the same philosophy can be used here. Plus I'll like to see George kicked in the nuts. lol.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2003 1:47 pm
 


I don't think cutting off the oil or gas would help. I feel for people who have to work in oil to support the farm. I do believe that linking these issues is necessary. Ridiculous subsidies are used by the US and EU keep prices artificially low. This is why I support the wheat board - and any farmer who fights against Monsanto. What a piece of sh&t company they are.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2003 6:39 pm
 


Cutting off the flow of oil is probably a little too extreme. But that oil is one hell of a bartering chip and we should be making use of it. The US economy is sucking hind tit right now and they are probably only going to get more aggressive.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2003 5:38 am
 


Is raising the price too extreme though? Say we impose an export tax or just cut back production, not just on oil but on natural gas and electricity. What could the US do? They can get oil from elsewhere, but natural gas doesn't travel well in boats (it can be and is done, but it's expensive) and electricity needs wire to travel.

Send the message that we've had enough of George's protectionist crap.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2003 9:56 am
 


This article has some interesting numbers in it, and I agree with it. I don't think we should back down from extreme measures Rev. I think the harder we hit 'em, the more quick and painless the negotiations will be.

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Should Canada Retaliate for American Tariffs and Duties?
by Supporter • Tuesday July 29, 2003 at 11:40 AM


There has been some growing talk around the subject of retaliatory trade sanctions against those that have done the same in kind to Canada.

Roy Whyte
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July 24, 2003

There has been some growing talk around the subject of retaliatory trade sanctions against those that have done the same in kind to Canada.

This issue is not something new as Canada and its trading partners have faced this dilemma many times before. O­nly this time it seems many more Canadians are pushing for a stronger stance from their politicians.

For as many that want to see retaliation, there are nearly as many that want to just stay the passive course and ride out what is dealt to us. Are these the voices of reason or appeasement?

The reasoning for the anti-retaliation crowd seems to lie with two main arguments – staying within NAFTA and that we would somehow be the losers in any trade war.

The pro-retaliation backers will quickly point out that softwood lumber and Canadian wheat most certainly fall under NAFTA and should NOT be subjected to duties and tariffs. This has not stopped the United States from slamming duties o­nto Canadian products and subsidizing to the hilt their own farm industries. The U.S. has lost multiple challenges through the WTO and NAFTA tribunals over the years yet, as we all know they have tried it o­nce again.

SoÂ… if they are so ready to play hardball outside the framework of NAFTA, why shouldnÂ’t Canada? With that we come back to the appeasers claim that Canada would lose any trade war with the U.S.

Any trade war with the U.S. or others could get messy if we simply play nice. With tens of thousands of Canadians out of work over softwood, playing nicely should not be in our vocabulary. Hardball should be the name of the game. We need to hit them where they will quickly notice. Energy – something America is a glutton over and we have plenty control over.

How long would any trade war last when N.Y. and California State are sitting in the dark? How many days would pass in this trade war when millions of American SUVs are sitting in their owner’s driveways with o­nly fumes in their tanks? This Canadian does not hesitate to say – not long. Do Canadian politicians have the courage to stand up for their fellow Canadians and play hardball? That is the billion-dollar question.

When America floated the idea of hitting the European Union over steel they quickly made it known that they would retaliate in kind with just as harsh measures. Low and behold America lost the WTO challenge. So, were Canadian politicians taking notes?

Seems not - Federal Agriculture Minister Lyle Vanclief has made it clear that his government does not have the courage to stand up for their fellow Canadians. His excuse – Canada must remain within the realm of established trade deals.

Once again the spineless ***** willows in Ottawa would rather play the nice whipping boy than stand up for their fellow Canadians that are losing their very livelihood.

Just how much of an impact would looking at Canadian exports of energy to the U.S. make over this issue?

Canada is now the fifth largest energy exporter in the world. Some 31% of our exports in this field go directly to the United States making Canada their largest supplier. Canadian natural gas shipments to the U.S. accounts for a staggering 94% of their total yearly consumption. Also of note is that the United States thirst for oil has manifested itself into America importing almost 2 million barrels a day of oil from Canada.

Canada should take advantage of the leverage we so obviously have before it is too late. It is the o­ne stick we carry over our more powerful neighbour to the south. That stick is very quickly being bought out from underneath us. In 2001 alone U.S. firms purchased over $35 billion in Canadian oil and natural gas assets!

Under NAFTA the “proportional sharing” segment guarantees to America that Canada will forgo any national hording, and guarantee America a ready supply even if ours dwindles. Even with that constraint, why should we play within the guidelines when they most certainly do not?

This debate is sure to heat up as the summer drags o­n and more and more Canadians and their communities suffer as a result of weak-kneed politicians. O­nly o­ne question remains – how long until those that represent Canadians stand up and fight for them?

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2003 1:32 pm
 


LOL. I wouldnt hold my breath!! Threaten to riot!! That will get the gov'ts attention. Maybe. I feel the time for bending over taking one up the ass is over.

Bout time we started calling some shots about what prices we will charge and what we will do with OUR resources!!!!


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2003 3:48 pm
 


Exactly, Evan. If they want to attack us, we hit 'em right back. There are other markets for our resources, even if they are slightly less lucrative. We have to get off the merry-go-round of trade with the US.

If and when Martin gets in, that will all get even more distant. At least Chretien mused about tying trade in energy to trade in other things...he only backed off when Klein, that little drunken American wanna-be, freaked out. Martin will not do that. He's like Mulroney and will act like Mulroney. I don't think he'll last long though...the population seems to be shifting back to the left and Martin is pretty conservative. I give him one term.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2003 8:57 am
 


Wheat duty upheld by trade commission


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Globe and Mail Update


POSTED AT 11:18 AM Friday, October 3

The U.S. International Trade Commission said Friday that wheat farmers have been injured by Canadian Wheat Board marketing practices, opening the door for duties to be imposed on imports of hard red spring wheat from Canada.

In August, the U.S. Commerce Department finalized combined countervailing and anti-dumping duties of 14.16 per cent on Canadian hard red spring wheat and 13.55 per cent for durum wheat.

The affirmative vote means the duty on hard red spring wheat will continue.

The Commission made a negative determination on imports of Durum Wheat from Canada.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2003 8:23 am
 


U.S. plumbs the depths in search of homeland oil and gas


BARRIE McKENNA

From Saturday's Globe and Mail


POSTED AT 4:00 AM Saturday, October 18

ON BOARD SHELL'S URSA OIL PLATFORM, THE GULF OF MEXICO — Flying in a chopper over the Mississippi Delta, bound for the Gulf of Mexico, is like riding a time machine through a century of U.S. oil and gas industry history.

Where the muddy Mississippi meets the azure waters of the Gulf, the pancake-flat wetlands of the delta are littered with rusting relics of a bygone era — abandoned rigs, barges and ramshackle structures.

Decades of drilling activity have scarred the landscape with channels as straight as runways and a snake-like network of pipelines.

Heading south, the treeless swamp gives way to ever-smaller islands, sand bars and finally open sea, where the future of Louisiana's multibillion-dollar offshore industry lies. From one horizon to another, the sea is dotted with hundreds of working oil and gas rigs.

Louisiana's first offshore wells were drilled in barely a few metres of water — initially on floating barges and then built up from the ocean floor like dock cribs as producers probed ever-deeper depths.

That intense activity peters out in the deep water. Here, 210 kilometres from the Louisiana coast, Royal Dutch/Shell Group's $1.5-billion (U.S.) Ursa platform floats alone like a giant octopus a kilometre above the sea floor, boring into pockets of oil and gas as far as eight kilometres away.

This is the final frontier of the United States' relentless hunt for oil and gas within its borders. Beyond Ursa, which set a world depth record when it went into production in 1999, the continental shelf drops off sharply into waters so deep that current technology can't yet get at the trapped hydrocarbons beneath.

“I'm hoping we're just beginning,” Walt Rawlings, Ursa's installation manager, said of Louisiana's deep offshore. “You would think that as you go deeper, you'd find more oil. With better seismic technology, we're hopeful our engineering group will find it.”

The reality, however, is that every year less of the energy the United States consumes is produced at home.

As early as next week, the U.S. Congress will try to put the United States on the road to self-sufficiency with the first overhaul of U.S. energy policy in two decades.

Negotiators for the U.S. Senate and the House of Representatives are completing negotiations on a compromise on a bill that is expected to throw tens of billion of dollars of government incentives at everything from ethanol to clean coal and hydrogen, rewrite electrical grid rules and open up new public lands — and waters — to oil and gas exploration.

In recent weeks, Ursa's crew has begun drilling the last of 14 planned wells, raising the rig's production to near its daily capacity of 150,000 barrels of oil and 400 million cubic feet of gas. That's enough oil to run a car 225 million kilometres and enough gas to heat 6,000 homes for a year.

The discovery beneath Ursa — one of five floating tension-leg platforms Shell operates in the Gulf — contains as much as 400 million barrels of oil. The field has proved so bountiful that the rig has already paid for itself, barely four years into its projected 30-year life span.

It's unlikely that many more “elephant fields” such as Ursa will still be found — here, or anywhere else in the United States.

U.S. President George W. Bush and a coterie of Texas oil industry veterans came to Washington 2½ years ago, convinced the United States was literally running out of its own energy. They vowed to rewrite energy policy to make it easier to fully exploit whatever resources might still be out there — off the continental shelf, beneath the Rocky Mountains and in the farthest reaches of Alaska.

The Bush administration's determination to address the country's energy problems took on new urgency after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, an emerging natural gas shortage and this summer's blackout.

But even before the ink is dry on the bill, critics from both ends of the political spectrum are complaining that the legislation will do little to halt the yawning gap between surging U.S. demand and flat domestic oil and gas production.

“This energy bill has something in it for everyone, at some level, but maybe not enough for anybody to actually have an impact on supply,” remarked Mark Bernstein, a top energy adviser in the Clinton White House and now a policy analyst at Rand Corp. in Santa Monica, Calif.

“It's frustrating and it's disappointing. I would love to see a comprehensive energy bill that would lead to a greater portfolio of energy options for the United States. But I'm not convinced the politicians care that much.”

The energy legislation has become the most intensely debated piece of legislation of the Bush presidency. Its sweeping contents have become a flashpoint for environmentalists, competing energy sector interests and even regions of the country.

“What we have today is an energy bill that looks like a Christmas tree — a little bit of everything for everyone, but nothing substantial on either the supply side or the demand side,” lamented Robert Abel, director of the energy program at the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies.

“It's business as usual and we will continue to import more oil and gas to meet our needs.”

And that's bad news for Mr. Bush, who is increasingly desperate for a policy victory on the home front to carry him into next year's presidential election. With the economy still wobbly and his foreign policy in tatters, a popular energy package would pad an otherwise short list of legislative gains that now includes tax cuts and an unremarkable package of school reforms. Hopes are also fading that Mr. Bush will be able to make good on his promise to create a national drug plan for seniors and defuse growing anger over crippling drug costs.

The energy bill that is now taking shape looks more like payoff for the Bush administration's friends in the energy business than a genuine attempt to deal with the country's energy problems.

And that perception is too bad, according to CharliCoon, a senior policy analyst at the conservative Heritage Foundation in Washington.

“I fear that Congress in its rush to get out of town before an election year may end up having a bill that is about energy in name only,” she complained. “The crux of the problem is the imbalance of supply and demand. We need to go to the outer continental shelf, the offshore, the Rocky Mountains. There's plenty of natural gas out there if we could just be allowed access to it.”

And yet, U.S. production of energy — most notably oil — has slowed to a crawl in the face of steadily rising consumption over the past two decades. The United States has made up the growing gap through imports of oil from Canada, the Middle East and elsewhere, pushing the import share of the market to 55 per cent in 2001, up from 37 per cent in 1980 and 42 per cent in 1990. And that gap is expected to grow to 68 per cent by 2025, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration's 2003 Annual Energy Outlook.

Meaningful efforts to curb fossil fuel consumption, through stricter emission standards for cars and powerful incentives for use of alternative fuels, are likely to be exorcized from the final bill.

Conservatives complain that many of the most controversial supply-side options are also likely to be cut or watered down, including a move to open Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and other sensitive areas to exploration and to radically reform the electricity market.

Opening new areas to oil and gas development is proving to be highly contentious. Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, which likely contains the largest untapped reserves of oil in the United States, has been a symbolic battleground. Yet, dozens of less well-publicized clashes have raged, including the wisdom of looking farther into deep offshore waters for oil and gas.

For example, all but one of Florida's congressional delegates recently signed a letter opposing a provision in the bill that would direct the U.S. Interior Department to create an inventory of potential oil and gas reserves on the outer continental shelf. Environmentalists want to keep the deep offshore off-limits — precisely to prevent Florida's coast from becoming another Louisiana.

In Louisiana, offshore drilling is an integral part of the economic and social fabric. Ursa's crew of 140 is part of an industry that generates a quarter of the state's revenues and 12 per cent of all wages.

Louisiana's geological history created the optimal conditions for the formation of hydrocarbons. The state is part of subterranean salt and sediment deposits that ring the Gulf from Mexico to Florida.

Since oil was discovered in Louisiana more than 100 years ago, the industry has sunk more than 1.1 million wells, supplying the United States with 25.2 billion barrels of oil and 214 trillion cubic feet of gas.

After the best land prospects had been found and tapped, oil producers began to move offshore in the 1930s and 1940s. Offshore activity exploded in the 1950s as the exploration of a decade earlier began to bear fruit — first at depths of 30 metres and by the mid-1960s in waters twice that deep. By the late 1970s, Shell installed a fixed platform in about 300 metres of water in the Gulf, just beyond the edge of the continental shelf.

The western and central Gulf coast is now largely explored and on the way toward exploitation. The frontier is moving east, toward Florida, where environmental pressure not to drill is more intense.

“A key test for drilling's popularity will be whether a coastal inventory survives [in the bill],” noted James Lucier, an analyst at Prudential Financial in Washington.

Ursa is part of a new generation of rigs boasting a smaller “footprint” that the industry has held up as models of more environmentally benign development.

The rig displaces as much water as an aircraft carrier, but it doesn't sit on the sea floor. Instead, it is tethered to the ground by 16 steel tendons, each measuring 1,158 metres. One of these platforms produces as much oil and gas as multiple older rigs.

“It's a matter for the citizens of the United States to decide where they want their oil and gas to come from,” remarked Mary Dokianos, a Shell spokeswoman. “If they want it, we'll try to find it.”

Keep drillin boys, keeeep drillin. We will be sitting on your future supplys up here in Canada and Ralph won't run Alberta forever. 8)


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2003 7:48 pm
 


They can look forever, they've used most of it up. It's time they faced facts and admitted that we own them.


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The Bush administration's determination to address the country's energy problems took on new urgency after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, an emerging natural gas shortage and this summer's blackout.



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They can look forever, they've used most of it up. It's time they faced facts and admitted that we own them.


I think they may have shifted their sights to Iraq. Which should hold them over until the government's plan to provide incentives towards alternative energy either yeild results. If no body is able to develop a stable, cheap, alternative source then Canada may have them by the.....sensative bits. I think that we'd only have a trump card with lumber.


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