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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 12:20 pm
 


I'd be more worried about the hundreds of billions in US bonds and T-Bills that China holds than the Euro.


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Avro Avro:
Well, there's the proof folks, tritium is an idiot.

What Bort says is correct and let's not forget factors like a bulging trade deficit, massive deficits and debt, foreign held debt in countries like China, surging foreign economies and a strong Euro.....costly redundant wars don't help either.

You can deny this shit all you want but that still dosen't make it false.


No, this statement says volumes.

BartSimpson BartSimpson:
In a nutshell, the country is being run by people who are elected by stupid people. And the dollar is predictably hurting.


It obvious he is saying that anyone who voted for Bush is stupid. Just another Bush bashing democrat.

I wonder if he voted for Bush??

As far as Bart being Conservative on this web site. The Democrats in the US have about the same ideology as the Conservatives here in Canada.

The Liberals in Canada are far left and the Republicans in the USA are far right.


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Most don't even know verses 2-4 of thier national anthem, as they aren't sung in sports arenas. Many more don't even know there are more verses.

Well the second verse of O Canada is rarely ever sung either plus there have been many versions of it. But I figured they had some grasp of their history then again I have met people there and found I knew more about their country than they did (My knowledge is limited by the way). But this can be said for Canada too it wouldn't surprise me if many people here knew how many provinces we even have.

Although Bart on here seems to have a good grasp of it and he is fairly intellectual. He knows more about Canada too than many Canadians. Maybe it is one of those things of keep your friends close but your enemies closer, Bart was in the armed forces after all. :P


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Clogeroo Clogeroo:
I thought Americans knew a lot about their history?


I recent poll of junior high school (7th & 8th graders) showed that the 4th of July (Independence Day) was actually the day that the Massachussetts Bay Colonists (aka 'The Pilgrims') discovered fireworks. :roll:

Most Americans are utterly ignorant of their history and the current grade school curriculums are woefully biased and ignorant themselves.

Under current Federal standards the most important thing that ever happened in US history is the relatively unknown Seneca Falls Declaration - a treatise on womens' rights from 1848.

Those who do not know their history... :roll:


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tritium tritium:
No, this statement says volumes.

BartSimpson BartSimpson:
In a nutshell, the country is being run by people who are elected by stupid people. And the dollar is predictably hurting.


It obvious he is saying that anyone who voted for Bush is stupid. Just another Bush bashing democrat.

I wonder if he voted for Bush??

As far as Bart being Conservative on this web site. The Democrats in the US have about the same ideology as the Conservatives here in Canada.



I said nothing about Bush, whom I did vote for and would do so again given that the option was John Kerry.

I am not a Democrat and have been registered Republican since 1994.

However, I am a conservative first and a Republican second. I will and have voted for conservative Democrats over moderate, mushy, or corrupt Republicans.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 1:23 pm
 


I think we should all switch over to the Vietnamese currency, known as dong. :lol:


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 1:25 pm
 


tritium tritium:
The Liberals in Canada are far left and the Republicans in the USA are far right.


Neither part of that statement is true.

The Liberals in Canada are easily 'out-lefted' by the NDP and the Republicans in the USA lost the support of conservatives in the last election because they're liberal on immigration, liberal on spending, liberal on government growth...even more so than the Democrats.

In many regards, Clinton was more conservative than Bush.

Ain't that a hoot?


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 1:34 pm
 


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Neither part of that statement is true.


I'll agree with ya there. The Political spectrum of both countries is similar and has lots of diversity. Painting all of them with the same brush is being lazy...


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I recent poll of junior high school (7th & 8th graders) showed that the 4th of July (Independence Day) was actually the day that the Massachussetts Bay Colonists (aka 'The Pilgrims') discovered fireworks. Rolling Eyes

Most Americans are utterly ignorant of their history and the current grade school curriculums are woefully biased and ignorant themselves.

Under current Federal standards the most important thing that ever happened in US history is the relatively unknown Seneca Falls Declaration - a treatise on womens' rights from 1848.

Those who do not know their history...

Well you can't blame them for being creative. :P But perhaps the idea of devoting a day to political independence and revolution with a country that you are currently fighting with perhaps has become ill fashioned? Although I have attended an independence day celebration before and brought my union jack with me. In honour of my family who fought for the King.

Maybe you would be better creating another day called America Day where Americans can celebrate all their cultural, political, economic, and scientific achievements? Maybe this would raise more of an interest into your nation's history?


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tritium tritium:
I'll tell your this with some confidence, BartSimpson and TheFoundersIntent were first in line for Fahrenheit 9/11 at the movie house. :roll:


Well, there's the proof folks, tritium is an idiot.


Hard to argue with proof like that. :wink:


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Clogeroo Clogeroo:
Well you can't blame them for being creative. :P But perhaps the idea of devoting a day to political independence and revolution with a country that you are currently fighting with perhaps has become ill fashioned? Although I have attended an independence day celebration before and brought my union jack with me. In honour of my family who fought for the King.

Maybe you would be better creating another day called America Day where Americans can celebrate all their cultural, political, economic, and scientific achievements? Maybe this would raise more of an interest into your nation's history?


The American Revolution had its reasons defined in the Declaration of Independence. Our national identity flows from that document and that date.

Up until 7/4/1776 the thought in the Colonies was that the uprising against the UK would resolve with representation in Parliament - which almost happened. When the Brits resolved to crush the uprising it morphed into a war for independence and what had been ideas about the fringes of Colonial society soon became the center of it.

Americans seized the right to obverthrow their government and install a new one. The Brits properly record this as a civil war and when I speak to history classes (rarely anymore) I point this out to give the kids some perspective that it wasn't Americans fighting a British occupier - it was British citizens warring against their legal and sovereign government.

Canadians and other folks do not understand this aspect of the collective American psyche - we rail at the idea that we answer to government and we insist that government is a beast that must be controlled, leashed, bound, and caged lest it harm the people it is supposed to serve.

We view the world in far different ways.

Canadians all too often think that their rights come from government.

Americans properly understand that the authority of the government comes from the will of the people and that the people can and will assert their rights when needed.

But as history is not being taught to kids any more the kids growing up today are not aware of the sacrifices or views of the Founders.

Almost to a man, all of the founders saw government as a necessary evil that had to be constrained and controlled as the very nature of government is to accrue power unto itself.

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IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America


When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred. to disavow these usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the United States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

— John Hancock

New Hampshire:
Josiah Bartlett, William Whipple, Matthew Thornton

Massachusetts:
John Hancock, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Robert Treat Paine, Elbridge Gerry

Rhode Island:
Stephen Hopkins, William Ellery

Connecticut:
Roger Sherman, Samuel Huntington, William Williams, Oliver Wolcott

New York:
William Floyd, Philip Livingston, Francis Lewis, Lewis Morris

New Jersey:
Richard Stockton, John Witherspoon, Francis Hopkinson, John Hart, Abraham Clark

Pennsylvania:
Robert Morris, Benjamin Rush, Benjamin Franklin, John Morton, George Clymer, James Smith, George Taylor, James Wilson, George Ross

Delaware:
Caesar Rodney, George Read, Thomas McKean

Maryland:
Samuel Chase, William Paca, Thomas Stone, Charles Carroll of Carrollton

Virginia:
George Wythe, Richard Henry Lee, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Harrison, Thomas Nelson, Jr., Francis Lightfoot Lee, Carter Braxton

North Carolina:
William Hooper, Joseph Hewes, John Penn

South Carolina:
Edward Rutledge, Thomas Heyward, Jr., Thomas Lynch, Jr., Arthur Middleton

Georgia:
Button Gwinnett, Lyman Hall, George Walton


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The US dollar is worth more than would appear on paper because it's backed b67y a bullet. People who have it, know it represetns strength adn stability.

Before you get too smug about the Canadian dollar, it rises and falls with the price of crude, not due to any increase in productivity in Canada.


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tritium tritium:
I'll tell your this with some confidence, BartSimpson and TheFoundersIntent were first in line for Fahrenheit 9/11 at the movie house. :roll:

I'm surprised at you. I haven't seen that movie to this very day. :twisted:


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DrCaleb DrCaleb:
Clogeroo Clogeroo:
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The dollar is slipping due to runaway spending by both political parties, unsound lending practices by US banks and the Federal Reserve, a trade policy that has consistently stripped the US of wealth and jobs in every year since 1961, and an education policy that has created millions of ignorant serfs who cannot compute basic mathematics, who do not know their history, and whose knowledge of the Constitution is limited to "the Constitutional separation of church and state" which is not actually in the Constitution.

In a nutshell, the country is being run by people who are elected by stupid people. And the dollar is predictably hurting.

I thought Americans knew a lot about their history?


Most don't even know verses 2-4 of thier national anthem, as they aren't sung in sports arenas. Many more don't even know there are more verses.

That's cause they won't fit on a cell phone screen. :lol:


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