grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:
Nietzshe Nietzshe:
Canadian Irish organisatins funnelled funds to the IRA? Do you have proof of this?
This is pretty well known by anyone with an interest and you will find hundreds of references if you look. here is just one
http://www.milnet.com/ira/Irish-Troubles.htmlNietzshe Nietzshe:
France sent financial aid to Quebec? Do you have proof of this?
"Charles De Gaulle undertook covert operations in Quebec using nationalist and separatist movements in Quebec, under the rubric of "Assistance et Cooperation Technique" or "Operation Ascot." Jacques Foccart dispatched SDECE agents to Quebec to develope and foment the growth of separatist movements." - FAS
Nietzshe Nietzshe:
Which 'extremist' groups were funded by the former Soviet Union? There were no 'extremist' groups during the Cold War.
Wow. How about reading the Mitrokhin Archive and getting back to me on that one when you can speak with a hint of authority.
Nietzshe Nietzshe:
If you believe anti-nuke demonstrators to be 'extremist' then perhaps you have not been paying attention to events lately? After the fall of the Soviet Union, there appeared declassified documents which proved the Soviets did indeed sent monies to every nation on earth in its fight against the democracies but Canada??
Are we not part of the every nation on earth list? Even heard of Igor Gouzenko? What kind of Canadian are you exactly? Is this no longer taught in school? Have you never seen the made for TV movie?
Nietzshe Nietzshe:
We never had nuclear missiles
Canada has a well developed nuclear technology base, large uranium reserves and markets reactors for civilian use. While Canada has the technological capabilities to develop nuclear weapons, there is no hard evidence it has done so, nor has Canada ever shown the intention to join the nuclear club outright, although rumors that Prime Minister John Diefenbaker had developed nuclear weapons are still present. Canada has been an important contributor of both expertise and raw materials to the American program in the past, and had even helped with the Manhattan Project. In 1959, NATO proposed to Canada that the RCAF assume a nuclear strike role in Europe. Thus in 1962 six Canadian CF-104 squadrons based in Europe were formed into the RCAF Nuclear Strike Force armed with B28 nuclear bombs (originally Mk 28) under the NATO nuclear weapons sharing program; the Force was disbanded in 1972 when Canada opted out of the nuclear strike role. Canada accepted having American W-40 nuclear warheads under dual key control on Canadian soil in 1963 to be used on the Canadian BOMARC missiles. The Canadian air force also maintained a stockpile of AIR-2 Genie unguided nuclear air-to-air rockets as the primary wartime weapon on the CF-101 Voodoo all-weather interceptor after 1965. Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau declared Canada would be a nuclear weapon-free country in 1971, and the last American warheads were withdrawn in 1984. Canada also produces the renowned CANDU reactor and has sold the technology to several countries, including China, South Korea, India, Romania, Argentina, and Pakistan. However there is no credible evidence that CANDU reactors were used to breed weapons grade material for either India and Pakistan. Canada nevertheless cut-off nuclear trade with those two countries after they detonated nuclear weapons. - Wikpedia
Nietzshe Nietzshe:
The aim of the Soviets when it came to Canada was the destabilsation of Canadian parliamentary democracy which proved to be a colossal failure and a waste of cold, hard cash.
You really must educate yourself a little further on this topic.
Nietzshe Nietzshe:
No state is worth preserving at the expense of its citizens' freedoms? You espouse civil war?
Please tell me how you made that connection.
Nietzshe Nietzshe:
What good is freedom to a citizen when he is dead after having been killed by a terrorist suitcase bomb? State your case to a city of 3 million like Toronto after a terrorist has left a dirty-bomb (tiny nuclear device) smack in the centre of the city. .
Dirty bombs are way over rated
Nietzshe Nietzshe:
What freedoms will those 3 million people be enjoying after they have been incinerated? You make absolutely no sense whatsoever. It is not freedom when one moves about a country in fear of his/her life from a terrorist attack. How precisely is this 'freedom'? .
I would rather life under the perpetual threat of a terrorist attack, like an Israeli for example, then to supercede my individual liberties to the state under the guise of it protecting me. Of course a guy like me makes no sense to you, for example I refuse to show ID when I fly because I'll be g**damned if I am going to produce documentation to travel internally in my own country. You obviously sheepisly oblige.
Nietzshe Nietzshe:
Destroy the source of that fear then one may feel free to enjoy that freedom. Force works. Only force should ever meet force. Not soft words as you would propose. Islamists sneer at such tactics. .
Agreed.
Nietzshe Nietzshe:
How is my statement an oxymoron? You just finished claiming that to ban Islam outright would be fascist in nature? Uh huh. I know. I am a fascist. Where does the 'oxymoron' come in? .
Actually I just meant to call you a moron. (Just kidding). The foundation of Fascism is the conception of the State, its character, its duty, and its aim. Fascism conceives of the State as an absolute, in comparison with which all individuals or groups are relative, only to be conceived of in their relation to the State. – Mussolini. You speak of the security of people which is counter to Fascism.
Nietzshe Nietzshe:
You merely repeated the very thing I already said. You may rest assured if Canada were under fascist rule not one terrorist would ever see Canadian soil. They do so at penalty of death. This would get the message across that committing terrorist acts upon Canadian soil is a wasted and dangerous effort. .
Do you really believe suicide bombers would avoid Canada under penalty of death? You are applying your westerncentric logic process to the islamofascist ideology and that is doomed to failure.
Nietzshe Nietzshe:
Your mention of organisations funnelling funds back to their respective countries in battles against a foe misses a very important point. The IRA were fighting an enemy in Europe. Not in Canada. The Tamils are fighting the Sri Lankan government back home. Neither group committed terrorist acts upon Canadian soil. Do not compare them with the Islamists. .
Aside from the pressure these groups have exerted upon their respective ethnic communities in Canada you are correct, but then neither have any islamofascists so far succeeded in Canada. What is your point. Also you miss a very important point….many of the islamofascists are funded out of Saudi Arabia and that makes us the country way overseas and far removed.
Nietzshe Nietzshe:
The IRA and Tamils have never even planned terrorist attacks against Canadians. .
If you think the LTTE is not a threat to Canadians read this
http://www.mackenzieinstitute.com/2000/ ... orism.htmlNietzshe Nietzshe:
The Islamists have and they have threatened our country loud and clear for the world to hear. The IRA and Tamils = no internal terrorist threat to Canadians. Islamists = total threat to Canadian security therefore should be deported immediately under armed escort.
What a wussified response. Anyone found guilty of an act of subversion against the Canadian State should simply be executed. Anyone found guilty of plotting an act of subversion should be incarcerated. In neither case should they be escorted home or club med or whatever fantasy island you lieberal types think will prevent them from returning to finish the job.
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All of the above have never been proven. I checked the sites and sought out others. They are all based on theory. Every single site pointed out the IRA was never funded from here in Canada. Your 'theory' derives from the fact many Canadian funds reach Sinn Fein which is not the IRA but a political party created to act against Britain. This is not terrorism. It is your beloved democracy. What Sinn Fein does with the funds from that point on is not our problem. We cannot control this. As for the Tamils there have been rumblings of monies reaching them from Canada which this country adamantly disallows. Your sites are all based upon conjecture.
Surely you cannot be silly enough to believe that French idiot DeGaulle would support the destabilisation of Canada? We are NATO allies. Destabilisation of a sovereign power is an act of war. You know it, I know it and everyone else knows it. The sites are all merely theories without proof. I doubt for a moment any one ally would seek to destabilise another without measuring the consequences of such actiivities, especially when such activity would be prelude to war.
Are you daft? What good is the State without its people? Would you desire to give people a chance to rise up against the State in protest over its reluctance to stop terrorism? Provide security for your people and you provide security for the State. What kind of State would it be if it had no people? What exactly would make it a State in the first place? The land? I truly wish you people would try harder to understand fascism. By your own admission having a fascist government is no different from allowing terrorists to attack the people over which the fascists rule. This is complete and utter nonesense.
I never said Islamists do not seek to commit terrorism against Canada. I said the IRA and Tamil groups did not. Please read carefully in future. All Canadians know Islamists seek to destabilise Canada.
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Do you really believe suicide bombers would avoid Canada under penalty of death? You are applying your westerncentric logic process to the islamofascist ideology and that is doomed to failure.
What a wussified response. Anyone found guilty of an act of subversion against the Canadian State should simply be executed. Anyone found guilty of plotting an act of subversion should be incarcerated. In neither case should they be escorted home or club med or whatever fantasy island you lieberal types think will prevent them from returning to finish the job.
Christ on a stick! Which is it? The above is completely contradictory.
My response was not 'wussified' as you put it. It was merely guarded. I am being watched here and thus must needs to take care with my words. Naturally I would want torture and execution of such individuals but the last time I made such a statement I was thoroughly banned from this site. I am actually holding back here as I must. The Admins and Mods are watching me like a hawk. Let us just say I am out on parole. If you truly want me to let fly then perhaps you would see fit to convince the Admins/Mods that I am not a threat.
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Dirty bombs are way over rated
Why do people keep saying this? The Soviets could have done it. The Americans could do it. The Chinese could do it. The Israelis could and
have done it. What is to prevent the Muslims from doing the same? True they are not a particularly bright people but then again they do not require intellect. All they need is one disgruntled Russian nuclear physicist and New York disappears off the face of the earth.
Love that part about Canada and nuclear missiles. Tell me, who produced them? The Americans? Thank you for making my point.
If you think the Soviets were ever a threat to Canada then you are an even greater fool than I had first suspected. The only reason the Soviets ever bothered with us was as a means to obtain NATO secrets. They did not give a shit about Canada one whit. We were a nobody to them. Most certainly we were never a threat. Christ on a stick but we needed American fighter craft to
escort every single Soviet Bear bomber from our airspace. WE cannot even defend our own airspace against ridiculous turboprop bomber yet you would believe the Soviets would waste their time on us? The only reason the Soviets intruded upon our airspace was to test the DEW line as they considered this AMERICA's defence line. They cared not that it was actually on Canadian territory. We just happened to be there. Nothing more.
India and Pakistan
most definitely created their nukes from CANDU technology. They have both
admitted this. Who do you think assisted the North Koreans with their nuclear program? A Pakistani scientist trained on the CANDU system.
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While Canada has the technological capabilities to develop nuclear weapons, there is no hard evidence it has done so, nor has Canada ever shown the intention to join the nuclear club outright, although rumors that Prime Minister John Diefenbaker had developed nuclear weapons are still present. Canada has been an important contributor of both expertise and raw materials to the American program in the past, and had even helped with the Manhattan Project
I asked for
proof, not conjecture. Your entire post is made up of conjecture. The IRA, TAMIL, FRENCH (FLQ) and SOVIET crap - all conjecture. Next time someone asks for
proof you make bloody certain you give them proof. Quit wasting everyone's time.
CKA Uber 
