[Brenda]

well, exactly.

What stunnes me though, is that nobody is allowed to say anything "against" Canada, or "against" the general view Canadians have about Canada in the world. It is 9 pages of calling bullshit on me and my explanation, which btw, proves MrC's point.

What you guys don't seem to understand, is that I moved for a reason...

I was not attacking Canada. I will never attack Canada. Canadians are patriotic people, proud of their country. But their pride for their country is not shared by the rest of the world...

[Brenda]

lily lily:

Brenda Brenda:

I assume you asked on that forum what people think about Canadians and the war. That was NOT what was going on here.

Here's my post:

$1:

On another board, a recent immigrant from Holland is spouting off about how in Holland, no-one gives a shit about Canada or Canadians, because all that WWII liberation stuff was over 60 years ago.

A few of us expressed surprise, because we've always been under the impression that the Dutch are very respectful and appreciative of Canada's roll all those years ago. My parents were humbled by the reactions they got when they were there about 25 years ago.

So I was wondering... is she right? Or is she just being her usual argumentative self?

ANd yes, that was exactly what was going on. RUEZ and I specifically mentioned the war... as did you.

Exactly what I thought. THat was NOT my initial post. My initial post had NOTHING to do with the war.

This was that post:

$1:

That is true, CanAM... Whenever I mentioned Canada is not that important to Europe, I got a shitload of angry comments thrown at me. But hell, it is the truth! Canada is Canada, and beautiful. The US is the US and beautiful...

Canadians are patriotic people (at least, a lot of them ) and rightfully so. But geesh, why care that another country's people DON'T think another country is that great? Canada is important to Canadians, like the US is important to Americans.

You guys (Canadians) don't give a shit about Holland either, why should Holland think Canada is all that? Who cares anyway? Be proud of what and who you are, without talking down to, or looking down at other countries. THat is just not necessary to show your patriotism.

Just my $ .02

I had to ask later, in response to Ruez and you, if you were talking about the war...

[Streaker]

lostalex lostalex:

this whole crime thing is stupid. canadians always point out crime in the US as why canada is better. Crime is not inherantly American. We have a shitload of epople in small spaces. if you put 2 fish in a fish bowl, they will get along. if you put 20 fish in a fish bowl, they will fight and kill eachother. you cannot compare canada which is bigger but has 1/10 the population to the US crime rates. it's ilogical and dumb.

Wrong: What's illogical is your supposition that population density accounts for the difference in crime rates between Canada and the US.

By that logic, some of the highest crime rates in the world could be found in..... uh.... the Netherlands.

lostalex lostalex:

Also America is FAR more diverse than canada, and has FAR more immigration. it is human nature to seperate into groups, and fight with groups you peceive as different.

Wrong: America is no more diverse than Canada, and on a per capita basis immigration to Canada is much greater than America.

lostalex lostalex:

Also most crime happens in areas of poverty. America was founded on the idea of taken the world's impoverished, so ofcourse when you amass millions of poverty stricken people you will have more violence. America has never claimed to be a PERFECT country, just the BEST. You don't have to be GREAT to be the GREATEST, you just have to best less crappy.

Wrong again.




Canada is the best.

[RUEZ]

Brenda Brenda:

well, exactly.

What stunnes me though, is that nobody is allowed to say anything "against" Canada, or "against" the general view Canadians have about Canada in the world. It is 9 pages of calling bullshit on me and my explanation, which btw, proves MrC's point.

What you guys don't seem to understand, is that I moved for a reason...

I was not attacking Canada. I will never attack Canada. Canadians are patriotic people, proud of their country. But their pride for their country is not shared by the rest of the world...

WTF? People can criticize Canada all they want and we can have a good discussion about it. You're just getting defensive because we didn't believe you. I'm glad you chose Canada as your home. I don't believe that you have anything against Canada. Once again all I was doing was arguing what is a commonly held belief in this country.

[lostalex]

why is it canada can only ever win an argument with "per capita" or other equally transperant reworkings of the math??? doesn't it depress you that you always have to place obscure conditions on every claim to fame you make?? lmao.

we invented the telephone.. well if you count that the guy lived in canada for a short while. or we are very tech savvy and pioneering in space...if you count that we sell technology to a country that actually acomplishes things.

why is canada unable to actually contribute anything specifically without having to explain it's connmection to someone elses acomplishment???

its liek the french claiming they invented the airplane because divinci once drew a picture of some contraption with wings lmao. or the british claiming claiming to have invented the intenet. it's rediculous.

[Streaker]

lostalex lostalex:

why is it canada can only ever win an argument with "per capita" or other equally transperant reworkings of the math??? doesn't it depress you that you always have to place obscure conditions on every claim to fame you make?? lmao.

we invented the telephone.. well if you count that the guy lived in canada for a short while. or we are very tech savvy and pioneering in space...if you count that we sell technology to a country that actually acomplishes things.

why is canada unable to actually contribute anything specifically without having to explain it's connmection to someone elses acomplishment???

pffft.....

Fact is, your post was a load of bull.

[RUEZ]

lostalex lostalex:

why is it canada can only ever win an argument with "per capita" or other equally transperant reworkings of the math??? doesn't it depress you that you always have to place obscure conditions on every claim to fame you make?? lmao.

we invented the telephone.. well if you count that the guy lived in canada for a short while. or we are very tech savvy and pioneering in space...if you count that we sell technology to a country that actually acomplishes things.

why is canada unable to actually contribute anything specifically without having to explain it's connmection to someone elses acomplishment???

its liek the french claiming they invented the airplane because divinci once drew a picture of some contraption with wings lmao. or the british claiming claiming to have invented the intenet. it's rediculous.

Who is this "canada" you keep refering to? I don't think we elected an official spokesperson on this forum.

[travior]

Wow, did I choose the wrong weekend to not be here!

One problem with today's generation is that the current attention span rarely exceeeds the 30-second commercial. We see ourselves mostly by what we see aired on television. The views of the media and those who write the documentaries of past warfare glamorise the roles our nation played and usually downsizes the roles of the others.

We wonder why the nations are not grateful for our actions 60+ years ago when most of the people that had a presonal experience with that era are now resting peacefully in their graves. Yes, the ones that survived and are still alive are most grateful. It is the arrogant, spoon-fed generation that followed that seems to have lost the ability to remember and realize how different their, and our, world would be had it not been for the actions of long ago.

Nor can you expect every member of every society to constantly worship the ground that we walk on and continue to gush pleasantries and accolades for something that our fathers and grand-fathers did all those years ago.

American society, like Canadian society, tends to be defined more by their governments and less by their people. You cannot observe the President or PM and say that they are totally representative of every one of their constituents.

Yes, crime is much worse in the US as a whole. But that is because we have many more large urban areas that have a higher density of population. If you get outside of the major cities and see the people that live in the rural areas or smaller towns, you will get a much different picture of the US.

I am an American, so, according to MrC, I'm a violent person that has nothing better to do than cause harm to everyone. How sad.

I am always perplexed when people start waving the flag and shouting about pride in their country. I have no pride in being an American. I am HONORED to be one and HONORED to live here, I do not go around the world to every country that we have ever helped and say "Remember what my country did for you all those years ago! Bow at my feet! Show me respect!" If someone OFFERS gratitude, I will HUMBLY accept it but I will never go looking for it.

I am also very fond of Canada. Not just because that is my wife's homeland, but because of the people I have formed friendships with and have grown to care about. They have shown me what the true Canadian experience is about. I am honored to fly the Canadian flag in front of my home here in South Carolina.

Many Americans greatly dislike our government. Unfortunately, the way times are, unless you have a huge bankroll or get the support of big business, you have no hope of trying to change anything. It is all about the money now, not about what is good for America or her neighbors, but what is good for the Senator's or Congressman's personal bank account.

You talk about the seperatist movement of some of the Quebec population. There are many here is South Carolina that still consider this to be occupied territory. For them, their legitimate government of the Confederate States of America was overthrown in 1864. I will not bore you with the details of the atrocities that were performed upon the people of the southern states by their "fellow countrymen" when the "US" forces occupied and "reformed" our states.

But if you think foriegn countries should never forget what you did for them, I guess I should never forget what "my" government did to my great grandparents' families in the 1860's.

[travior]

(sorry, double post... 2nd one deleted)

[RUEZ]

travior travior:

But if you think foriegn countries should never forget what you did for them, I guess I should never forget what "my" government did to my great grandparents' families in the 1860's.

And clearly you haven't.

[Public_Domain]

[travior]

RUEZ RUEZ:

travior travior:

But if you think foriegn countries should never forget what you did for them, I guess I should never forget what "my" government did to my great grandparents' families in the 1860's.

And clearly you haven't.

Actually, I have. I mearly used that as an example. I cannot change whatever happened back then nor would I want to. There are some groups that are pressing the government to appologise to them for what happened all those years ago. I say, quit dwelling on what "bad things" happened back then and be grateful for what position you are in now. Nobody has an excuse for not being able to earn a living anymore unless they look for one.

[Streaker]

travior travior:

Yes, crime is much worse in the US as a whole. But that is because we have many more large urban areas that have a higher density of population. If you get outside of the major cities and see the people that live in the rural areas or smaller towns, you will get a much different picture of the US.

This much, at least, is pure baloney.

Why doesn't some European country with a population density MUCH higher than America's - the... Netherlands, for instance, have a higher crime rate than the US?

[Brenda]

Streaker Streaker:

travior travior:

Yes, crime is much worse in the US as a whole. But that is because we have many more large urban areas that have a higher density of population. If you get outside of the major cities and see the people that live in the rural areas or smaller towns, you will get a much different picture of the US.

This much, at least, is pure baloney.

Why doesn't some European country with a population density MUCH higher than America's - the... Netherlands, for instance, have a higher crime rate than the US?

Because they have legal pot use and legal prostitution

[Bacardi4206]

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