[Bonglord]

Well, you went into an American forum what where you expecting? a warm welcome??? Barf. I go into other forums frequented by Americans and I have not seen one good thing said about Canada and whatnot.

[Johnnybgoodaaaaa]

You know, I think there would have been a warm welcome if she hadn't said stuff like:

" All of your replies are quite interesting. But it's just amazing that the US is suppose to be the country of power and freedom..you guys have the "American Dream". But curiously, when they rank our countries every year for best liveable country, etc. the US is never in the top ten...what do you think about that? (i hope i'm not getting myself in deep crap :S) "

I mean, what is this suppose to mean? Why is it a big deal if the US isn't in the top ten(although they actually are, usually placing around 7th, sometimes even ahead of that, but normally IN the top ten). To me, I think you were trying to provoke, and you knew it was going to do so, which is why you said you hope it doesn't get you in crap. That's just my opinion.

"ok that sounds fair...but could it be possible that Davenport is a heavier area? I mean, supposedly no one walks to school even if it's a block away. She said that no one bicycles or rollerblades to school like we do in Ottawa. I know a couple of other women who studied in Davenport also and they said they had a crazy person with a rifle in the building next to them. (they could actually see the red laser from the gun pointing at stuff outside) I don't know, you just don't hear about stuff like that here in Ottawa. but anyways, sorry about the whole thing. "

--This doesn't happen where I live, and to me this sounds like you are trying to provoke people, by first implying that the US never makes it into the top ten, and then implying that it's a terribly dangerous place, unlike your lovely Canada where you rollarblade to school. Here's the real story. I used to walk to school everyday when I was in high school, we had street guards to make sure people didn't get hit by cars, and overall the worst thing that could happen is some crazy pediphile would take you off the street, but that has happened in Canada and can happen anywhere on this planet. The United States is a country of about 300 million people, and there are bad areas in the US, but there are also great places, it all depends where you live. You might not have heard of such things in Canada, but Canada is a relatively small country with different situations than the US.

No offense, but with the post you started out with, how could you not expect the reaction you got from people? First you cut down their country by talking about the low standard of living(which actually wasn't true)and then you talk about how dangerous it is, and how it's so safe in Canada.

[canadian1971]

Yeah...Sry mountygrl....you were kinda provoking them.

[mountygrl]

if you read my first post tough, it was just a simple question and some of them got defensive right at the get go. I know i said some things that might have provoked them, but i didn't say it in a mean way..they could've just corrected me because i honestly thought that they were ranked 12th or 13th..i've heard that somewhere. but anywho..maybe i did "provoke" them but i did not insult them like they insulted canada. (some of them). for example, "therefore, you are indeed, so very french! and sad to say but very canadian too!" (meaning that we're losers). someone even has, like a signature "i'd rather be a dog than a frenchman"..etc. i mean come on, i didn't say anything that harsh or rude. if i did, it was because they pushed the wrong buttons. but i totally agree that there are some thing that i should've just kept my mouth shut. i use to care for what i wrote, i don't know how many times i said that i was sorry but now, i just don't care anymore, not after all the crap they were saying about me. (and other canadians too).

[Antoine]

Hey everybody. Just to cool everybody down, I'm an American who will be starting the long, arduous process of immigrating to Canada. It will take a lot of money, anywhere between 9 months to two and a half years to do it correctly. But, my wife and I were determined to do this, even before the November election, even before who we knew who won the Democratic nomination. We are convinced that Canadian culture and politics are closer in tune to our own ideas of how life should be. We have two middle school children we're bringing as well, so it isn't like we aren't serious.

Anyway, I frequent this site sparadically, but just wanted to let you all know. We'd be moving to Toronto because we love big cities, and we'd still be close enough to Detroit where family lives.

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[Johnnybgoodaaaaa]

mountygrl mountygrl:

if you read my first post tough, it was just a simple question and some of them got defensive right at the get go. I know i said some things that might have provoked them, but i didn't say it in a mean way..they could've just corrected me because i honestly thought that they were ranked 12th or 13th..i've heard that somewhere. but anywho..maybe i did "provoke" them but i did not insult them like they insulted canada. (some of them). for example, "therefore, you are indeed, so very french! and sad to say but very canadian too!" (meaning that we're losers). someone even has, like a signature "i'd rather be a dog than a frenchman"..etc. i mean come on, i didn't say anything that harsh or rude. if i did, it was because they pushed the wrong buttons. but i totally agree that there are some thing that i should've just kept my mouth shut. i use to care for what i wrote, i don't know how many times i said that i was sorry but now, i just don't care anymore, not after all the crap they were saying about me. (and other canadians too).

Are you that naive to think that if you go to a site with a bunch of Americans, say you are Canadian, and then make references to the "American dream" not being that great because their country isn't even ranked in the top 10 as far as quality of life goes, that they aren't going to say rude things to you? To me, your comment seemed like it was quite sly. Also, just because a few Americans made rude comments towards you doesn't mean they all did. I saw others who thought your comments were quite tounge in cheek and they took a more mature line towards. Just like in any other country, the United States is a varied country and there isn't going to be a uniform response to you. Yes, there's people in the US who don't like the french, but I've seen plenty of Canadians cut down Americans and make fun of them just the same. It doesn't mean it's right, but you act surprised that people like that exist. I don't see how you can say they pushed the wrong buttons when you brought up the whole topic? What did you expect "yes, we know our country sucks, Canada and the French are so much better"...."you are right, our country is very dangerous, I'm afraid to go outside or to school"....I mean come on, I don't see who wouldn't expect the reaction you got.

[jadeofthenorth]

Antoine Antoine:

Hey everybody. Just to cool everybody down, I'm an American who will be starting the long, arduous process of immigrating to Canada. It will take a lot of money, anywhere between 9 months to two and a half years to do it correctly. But, my wife and I were determined to do this, even before the November election, even before who we knew who won the Democratic nomination. We are convinced that Canadian culture and politics are closer in tune to our own ideas of how life should be. We have two middle school children we're bringing as well, so it isn't like we aren't serious.

Anyway, I frequent this site sparadically, but just wanted to let you all know. We'd be moving to Toronto because we love big cities, and we'd still be close enough to Detroit where family lives.

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Welcome! Windsor might be a little closer so I would suggest looking into setting up there.

I used to go into American forums, but I just can't handle the religious right and other differences in American politics; they have their way and I have mine. You start to realize the major difference between us when you bring up a topic like abortion or gay marriage any you get an onslaught of scripture and people who think their morals should govern other peoples lives.

Oh and for the record; Trudeau & Nixon both believed that Canada & the U.S. don't need a special relationship and that all this trade and foriegn ownership was too much. Mulroney and Reagan passed the FTA in 89 after Ed Broadbents NDP split the anti-free trade vote and cost Turner's liberals the election. Mulroney is arguable responsible for a number of Canada's current problems.

[Johnnybgoodaaaaa]

JadeoftheNorth JadeoftheNorth:

Antoine Antoine:

Hey everybody. Just to cool everybody down, I'm an American who will be starting the long, arduous process of immigrating to Canada. It will take a lot of money, anywhere between 9 months to two and a half years to do it correctly. But, my wife and I were determined to do this, even before the November election, even before who we knew who won the Democratic nomination. We are convinced that Canadian culture and politics are closer in tune to our own ideas of how life should be. We have two middle school children we're bringing as well, so it isn't like we aren't serious.

Anyway, I frequent this site sparadically, but just wanted to let you all know. We'd be moving to Toronto because we love big cities, and we'd still be close enough to Detroit where family lives.

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Welcome! Windsor might be a little closer so I would suggest looking into setting up there.

I used to go into American forums, but I just can't handle the religious right and other differences in American politics; they have their way and I have mine. You start to realize the major difference between us when you bring up a topic like abortion or gay marriage any you get an onslaught of scripture and people who think their morals should govern other peoples lives.

Oh and for the record; Trudeau & Nixon both believed that Canada & the U.S. don't need a special relationship and that all this trade and foriegn ownership was too much. Mulroney and Reagan passed the FTA in 89 after Ed Broadbents NDP split the anti-free trade vote and cost Turner's liberals the election. Mulroney is arguable responsible for a number of Canada's current problems.

Depends what forums you go into. There's been people on the right on these forums also. They are everywhere on the internet, but if you purposely search out American forums with a right outlook, that is what you will get.

[Rev_Blair]

$1:

Hey everybody. Just to cool everybody down, I'm an American who will be starting the long, arduous process of immigrating to Canada. It will take a lot of money, anywhere between 9 months to two and a half years to do it correctly. But, my wife and I were determined to do this, even before the November election, even before who we knew who won the Democratic nomination. We are convinced that Canadian culture and politics are closer in tune to our own ideas of how life should be. We have two middle school children we're bringing as well, so it isn't like we aren't serious.

Anyway, I frequent this site sparadically, but just wanted to let you all know. We'd be moving to Toronto because we love big cities, and we'd still be close enough to Detroit where family lives.

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Welcome to Canada, Antoine. I know you aren't here yet, but it sounds like you will be. Toronto is a reasonably nice city. Far too big and crowded for me, but if you like that kind of thing it's not too bad. My one bit of advice is to find out what the Ontario school curriculum is for your kids and get them adjusted to it.

When I was in grade four we moved to Ottawa from Regina. I was way ahead in some things and had never heard of other things. Three years later we moved back and I was way behind in some things, but so far ahead in others that it was ridiculous.

I don't know how your schools will compare to Ontario's but they will almost certainly be different. It's likely a lot easier for the kids to be prepared for it.

[Antoine]

Rev Blair-

You have an excellent point. My son has special needs in that he suffers from Bipolar Disorder. He gets an extremely modified educational program here (IEP) and I do know that there is a similar availability in Ontario. We will definitely look more into that. As I am a public school teacher, I have already been looking a little into Toronto's public schools, what a huge school system! We have a lot to learn. Like I already wrote, the immigration process can take a very long time depending upon how organized our dossier is, whether or not the CIC is on strike, how the new Immigration director will run things (the last one, as you know, had to leave in the mist of a scandal involving free pizza), etc.

And Toronto is our destination. I speak semi-fluent French, have studied in Quebec, but the rest of the family speaks American English only. That rules out Montreal or Quebec City, and we really want a big city.
Vancouver is too far away from our family.

There you have it!

[Rev_Blair]

Actually, I think there may have been a better chance at positive changes to immigration under Judy Sgro. She at least acknowledged that there were issues. Strippergate and now Pizzagate are perfect examples of stupid political squabbling masking real issues.

I hope you weren't looking for a functional political system. We don't have one of those either.

[Dan74]

Rev_Blair Rev_Blair:

Actually, I think there may have been a better chance at positive changes to immigration under Judy Sgro. She at least acknowledged that there were issues. Strippergate and now Pizzagate are perfect examples of stupid political squabbling masking real issues.

I hope you weren't looking for a functional political system. We don't have one of those either.

blahhahhahaha
congrads rev your the first person I know who has actually defended Judy.The names suck aka strippergate and pizzagate but if it had been a PC that got caught at this than you would have been screaming for an investigation and a hangin.

Antoine,Welcome to Canada hope you get here alright.Southren Ontario is a good place to grow up.Windsor is a good choice.Great City the fact paul Martin was born there don't let that change your mind.

[Rev_Blair]

$1:

congrads rev your the first person I know who has actually defended Judy.The names suck aka strippergate and pizzagate but if it had been a PC that got caught at this than you would have been screaming for an investigation and a hangin.

Don't make shit up and don't put words in my mouth, Dan.

[Antoine]

Dan: We are certain about Toronto. We now need guidance about Where in Toronto. Bloor West seems like a high possibility. We want to be near the subway.

Rev: I know that Canada has its political problems, every country does. I know how the NDP have been arguing for more representative, proportional government. I read the CBC, rabble.ca, oneworld, and This Magazine. I am familiar somewhat with the standoff between Newfoundland and Martin. I have lived in Quebec and being a Francaphone, have a better understanding the Quebec's political quagmire than most Americans.
However, I am confident that Canadians, even Harper fans, wouldn't stand for what W is up to now. Pushing that aside, I believe Canadian lifestyle, politics, worldview, and culture is much more in tune to my wife and I than America ever was or will be. We have two children, and as all parents we want to raise them in the best way possible, in the best community and values and security possible. Hence, we will immigrate.

[dgthe3]

Well, to that i say Welcome to Canada! And one thing about Toronto: cities don't get much more multicultural! And i am quite impressed with your attention to Canadian ploitics, most Canadians don't follow things as closely as you seem to.