[andyt]

CommanderSock CommanderSock:

Choban Choban:

Personally, the few Americans I've met living in Canada are fine upstanding people with morals and values we want in this country, Same for Brits and alot of Euros, as opposed to some cultures that foster Gangs and Crime (sorry but it's true)

This post and many others here are just complete generalizations.

The Americans, if they want to immigrate here should wait their turn, just like everyone else.

We just had a thousand posts railing against the Tamil migrant ship, and immigrants in general of course, and now the loudest proponents are suggesting we speed up American immigration applications status to Canada.

Sorry, but no.

We're (supposed to be) a country laws and principles. Letting them in, "just cause we like 'em" shouldn't be an option.

Letting them in because we like them should not be an option - it should be mandatory. We want immigrants who will fit in and contribute to this country. Our immigration system is not, or rather is not supposed to be, a for of aid to the 3rd world. It's supposed to be focused on what Canada needs and wants.

And how stealing educated people from 3rd world country represents aid to them is beyond me anyway. We're still doing the colonial thing - let the poor country educate them, then we take them for free.

[andyt]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

andyt andyt:

All we need is a surefire test to keep the Teabaggers and their ilk out.

Teabaggers bad, radical jihadist muslims okay. So noted.

Welcome to Bart's world: "sense, we don't need no stinkin sense."

[BartSimpson]

andyt andyt:

Welcome to Bart's world: "sense, we don't need no stinkin sense."

Well, I'm just looking at what's being tossed out here. People who want less government control of their lives are apparently inherently dangerous to Canada while you folks run around pretending that the imams in Toronto who make the guy in Florida look rational are a-okay.

[andyt]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

andyt andyt:

Welcome to Bart's world: "sense, we don't need no stinkin sense."

Well, I'm just looking at what's being tossed out here. People who want less government control of their lives are apparently inherently dangerous to Canada while you folks run around pretending that the imams in Toronto who make the guy in Florida look rational are a-okay.

If you look at my first post, it said to allow Americans who reflect our values to get to the head of the line, ie favor them over nut bars, whether American or Muslim or both.

[bootlegga]

andyt andyt:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/editorials/the-quiet-americans-who-are-canadas-invisible-immigrants/article1697253/

Now these are people we should be allowing to the head of the line:

$1:

These invisible immigrants – there are one million, more than at any time since the Vietnam War – are a unique group. According to a leading American geographer, they come to Canada not for economic opportunities, but for the country’s set of values.

Americans are attracted by their view of Canada’s more liberal culture. That includes support for a universal public health-care system, positive attitudes toward gays and lesbians, gun control laws and multiculturalism.

All we need is a surefire test to keep the Teabaggers and their ilk out.

NOBODY should get to jump the queue. Not illegal immigrants, not white people, not Christians, not Muslims, not anyone. Take your turn and wait in line like everyone else. Fair is fair...

American immigration to Canada is hardly new, and many previous American immigrants moved to Alberta. There was a time in the 1920s/30s when Americans made up almost half of all Albertans. Anyone who ponders why Alberta is so different from the rest of Canada (positively or negatively) can look to that as a big reason why Albertans have such differences of opinion with most of the rest of Canada.

[bootlegga]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

andyt andyt:

All we need is a surefire test to keep the Teabaggers and their ilk out.

Teabaggers bad, radical jihadist muslims okay. So noted.

It's more like, anyone who wishes to change Canada to suit their political/religious views are not welcome.

I don't want to live in some Christian theocracy/low tax/zero safety net country anymore than I want one where Sharia is the law of the land.

If you want to move to Canada, then you can become Canadian and not expect us to change everything to make you more comfortable. That doesn't mean you need to leave your religious/political/cultural views at the border, but don't expect us to drop taxes and our social safety net to make you feel better. Likewise, don't expect us to adopt Sharia to replace our current code of laws.

[andyt]

bootlegga bootlegga:

NOBODY should get to jump the queue. Not illegal immigrants, not white people, not Christians, not Muslims, not anyone. Take your turn and wait in line like everyone else. Fair is fair...

American immigration to Canada is hardly new, and many previous American immigrants moved to Alberta. There was a time in the 1920s/30s when Americans made up almost half of all Albertans. Anyone who ponders why Alberta is so different from the rest of Canada (positively or negatively) can look to that as a big reason why Albertans have such differences of opinion with most of the rest of Canada.

They probably already have an easy time qualifying, since they speak english, their qualifications are recognized here, etc. I do think we should favor people who will adapt easily and share our values.

[bootlegga]

andyt andyt:

bootlegga bootlegga:

NOBODY should get to jump the queue. Not illegal immigrants, not white people, not Christians, not Muslims, not anyone. Take your turn and wait in line like everyone else. Fair is fair...

American immigration to Canada is hardly new, and many previous American immigrants moved to Alberta. There was a time in the 1920s/30s when Americans made up almost half of all Albertans. Anyone who ponders why Alberta is so different from the rest of Canada (positively or negatively) can look to that as a big reason why Albertans have such differences of opinion with most of the rest of Canada.

They probably already have an easy time qualifying, since they speak english, their qualifications are recognized here, etc. I do think we should favor people who will adapt easily and share our values.

I don't necessarily think they all share all of our values, and besides fair is fair. Why should they get preference while people from the Netherlands don't?

If this is what you want, we should just adopt a "White Canada" immigration policy (like we basically had until the 1960s) and stop letting all those brown people in.

[DerbyX]

bootlegga bootlegga:

I don't necessarily think they all share all of our values, and besides fair is fair. Why should they get preference while people from the Netherlands don't?

One word: Brenda.

[Brenda]

DerbyX DerbyX:

bootlegga bootlegga:

I don't necessarily think they all share all of our values, and besides fair is fair. Why should they get preference while people from the Netherlands don't?

One word: Brenda.

Hey!

[andyt]

bootlegga bootlegga:

I don't necessarily think they all share all of our values, and besides fair is fair. Why should they get preference while people from the Netherlands don't?

If this is what you want, we should just adopt a "White Canada" immigration policy (like we basically had until the 1960s) and stop letting all those brown people in.

We don't share all our values either - it's not as if Canadians are an amorphous mass. But these guys are going to be about as close as it gets.

The article was about Americans, made no reference to skin color.

I would also give preference to well integrated Europeans, since they also share our values and integrated well when they were the primary source for immigrants. Sure, that means we'd be giving preference to a lot of white people, but not because they're white, but because of who they are and how they can benefit Canada.

It wouldn't be some automatic pass - I don't want some scumsucking criminal or Wall street type in preference of a hardworking Asian. But I want to give people who are already half assimilated a bit of a preference, is all.

Actually, until we've got full employment of Canadians already here, and have trained every Canadian who can be and wants to be for the jobs where there are shortages, I don't want immigrants coming from anywhere. But if we've got to have immigrants, then lets take those that most closely reflect what's already here. That's how Canada was built into the great country it is. (I know, I know, the natives would disagree with that.) I make no apologies for being Eurocentric - it's what allowed us to build countries that the rest of the world is now trying to get in to.

[bootlegga]

DerbyX DerbyX:

bootlegga bootlegga:

I don't necessarily think they all share all of our values, and besides fair is fair. Why should they get preference while people from the Netherlands don't?

One word: Brenda.

I specifically chose the Netherlands because of Brenda. If I knew of another CKAer who had immigrated to Canada recently, I might have chosen another country instead.

She didn't get any preferences, so why should Yanks?

[bootlegga]

andyt andyt:

bootlegga bootlegga:

I don't necessarily think they all share all of our values, and besides fair is fair. Why should they get preference while people from the Netherlands don't?

If this is what you want, we should just adopt a "White Canada" immigration policy (like we basically had until the 1960s) and stop letting all those brown people in.

We don't share all our values either - it's not as if Canadians are an amorphous mass. But these guys are going to be about as close as it gets.

The article was about Americans, made no reference to skin color.

I would also give preference to well integrated Europeans, since they also share our values and integrated well when they were the primary source for immigrants. Sure, that means we'd be giving preference to a lot of white people, but not because they're white, but because of who they are and how they can benefit Canada.

It wouldn't be some automatic pass - I don't want some scumsucking criminal or Wall street type in preference of a hardworking Asian. But I want to give people who are already half assimilated a bit of a preference, is all.

Actually, until we've got full employment of Canadians already here, and have trained every Canadian who can be and wants to be for the jobs where there are shortages, I don't want immigrants coming from anywhere. But if we've got to have immigrants, then lets take those that most closely reflect what's already here. That's how Canada was built into the great country it is. (I know, I know, the natives would disagree with that.) I make no apologies for being Eurocentric - it's what allowed us to build countries that the rest of the world is now trying to get in to.

Your post makes it sound like nobody but Europeans ever contributed to building Canada, which is patently false. Plenty of non-Europeans helped to make Canada great.

Canada is a better place now than it was when we only let in white Europeans (even then, swarthy people like Italians and Greeks were discriminated against after WW2).

Maybe you prefer the white bread version of Canada, but I prefer our multi-cultural version today. Thanks but no thanks!

[andyt]

bootlegga bootlegga:

Canada is a better place now than it was when we only let in white Europeans (even then, swarthy people like Italians and Greeks were discriminated against after WW2).

Maybe you prefer the white bread version of Canada, but I prefer our multi-cultural version today. Thanks but no thanks!

To each his own.

When Europeans were our primary immigrants, they assimilated much easier and contributed much faster than is currently the case.

I doubt we'd be able to get all the immigrants we seem to want from just Europe and the US, so don't worry, we won't become any more white bread than we already are. Just stay a little more white bread for a little longer. It's got nothing to do with the color of the bread, and, food aside, I prefer the taste of Euro-centric culture vs what else is out there.

[Choban]

$1:

We're (supposed to be) a country of laws and principles. Letting them in, "just cause we like 'em" shouldn't be an option.

Well I for one never said to fast track immigration for anyone, I agree that they should go through the same process as everyone else, though I would rather see people who speak one of our two languages (including their relatives they sponsor) and don't shut themselves into their own communities/groups.

I'll add that I work with and know alot of hardworking ethnic people, they have for the most part been open and honest, alot of the indos here in Calgary have invited white co-workers to their parades and celebrations, they come to our christmas parties ect, you don't get that with first gen. orientals, not at all with the vietnamese, you don't get that with the muslims. In counterpoint the Russians and others of Slavic backgrounds tend to stay together too so there is no compromise with some Eros as well.
I'd be happy if we could just manage to keep the illegals and criminals out and deport those that relentlessly break our laws.
Oh and anyone who claims refugee status but then decides to visit the homeland (ie; Tamils lately and Lebs a few years ago) should be told to stay there.