[Diogenes]

http://www.thestar.com/columnists/article/414859


The incredible shrinking terror case

Apr 16, 2008 04:30 AM
Thomas Walkom

Once labelled Canada's first homegrown, Islamist terror plot, the case of the so-called Toronto 18 is quietly melting away.

With yesterday's decision to stay charges against four more of those that it had once labelled dangerous terrorists, the federal government is now admitting that it never had a serious case against almost half of the men and youths charged two years ago.

So far, the Crown has stayed charges against seven of the 18 Toronto-area Muslim males. While technically, that means it could re-lay charges within a year, legal experts call such a move unlikely.

This does not necessarily mean the Crown's case is entirely bogus. The government argues that some of the remaining 11 were involved in a scheme to obtain explosive material, while others participated in a terror training camp.

Because of a judicial publication ban, whatever evidence – if any – that the government has produced in court to bolster these allegations cannot be reported.

But what is becoming clear from material that can be revealed is that the alleged plot was never quite as advertised.

Back in June 2006, the overriding sentiment in government and media was that a dangerous attack had been narrowly avoided. The allegations – that Canadian Muslim extremists were planning to behead Prime Minister Stephen Harper, seize MPs and blow up the CBC – seemed unbelievable. But in a post-9/11 world, the unbelievable had, for many, a ring of truth.

"We are a target because of who we are and how we live, our society, our diversity and our values – values such as freedom, democracy and the rule of law," Harper said.

Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day hinted darkly of more arrests to come. The media asked how homegrown terrorism could happen here, a not illegitimate question, but one that implicitly assumed the 18 were guilty.

Coming at a time when Parliament was reviewing the 2002 anti-terror law, the arrests bolstered the arguments of those who wanted the more draconian aspects of that legislation kept in place.

The arrests also stoked fears that Islamist radicals were motivating impressionable Muslim youths.

In some press accounts, the eldest person arrested, a Mississauga bus driver named Qayyum Abdul Jamal, then 43, was painted as the Islamic firebrand behind the youthful plotters.

This view was reinforced when then Liberal MP Wajid Khan (he's now a Conservative) told reporters that he had once heard Jamal at a mosque badmouthing Canada's troops in Afghanistan.

Ironically, Jamal was one of the four who had his charges stayed yesterday. He may indeed be a critic of Canadian foreign policy. But it seems that he is not a terrorist ideologue.

Other elements of the government's case did not stand up well under scrutiny. The alleged terror training camp turned out to be a hapless adventure in the rain, one where participants spent much of their time in a local doughnut shop and where the ammunition for target practice was apparently provided by one of two paid RCMP informers.

As for the alleged plot to behead Harper, it was apparently derailed because the plotters didn't know how to get to Parliament Hill.

Nor, it seems (according to material released by the Crown), were they exactly sure who the Prime Minister was.

Still, we are sure to learn more about the case against the rapidly shrinking Toronto 18 when the actual trials begin – if, by then, the Crown still has anyone left it wants to try.

[Public_Domain]

Oh yeah, forgot about those guys.

Lmfao, I'm probably not the only one who doesn't give a damn about those psycho's anymore.

The Mohawk terrorists are much more threatening, in my opinion.

[hwacker]

Good now they can go back to their homeland, by that I don't mean Canada. 2 years from now they can get a vacation at the Cuba sun and slop resort.

[sasquatch2]

It would seem that Canada has failed to foster competant terrorists.

$1:

As for the alleged plot to behead Harper, it was apparently derailed because the plotters didn't know how to get to Parliament Hill.

Nor, it seems (according to material released by the Crown), were they exactly sure who the Prime Minister was.

Regardless, it would seem they were apprehended due to this ineptitude rather than entrapment.

Post 911 investigation revealed a bunch of incredibly inept terrorists, who made nearly all the mistakes possible.....but got lucky.

These people do not occupy the threat level, nor have the sophistocation of the "jackel".

[rearguard]

A few weeks prior to the Toronto arrests I had noticed that the controlled press was hyping up the threat of "home grown terrorism" and I predicted that some kind of orchestrated terrorist event was soon about to happen. Later on, and only 2 days before the Toronto arrests were made, CSIS announced that Canada was under threat from "home grown terrorists" as it requested more funding and more powers to do its job, and yet another warning light came on indicating that a big manufactured terrorist event was soon about to happen.

By an amazing coincidence (wink wink) exactly on the same day of the Toronto arrests, a similarly sensationalized "home grown" terrorist plot was announced in the UK with a similarly huge bust involving 400+ police officers (and presumably 400+ reporters) simply to arrest two men. In the UK case, it was later revealed that the men arrested were all found to be completely innocent. One of the innocent men was shot by trigger happy police officers, but fortunately survived. Of course no charges were laid against the police or the UK government for what can only be described as a politically motivated event that almost resulted in the reckless murder of an innocent man.

Now we see that the twin event here in Canada is equally bogus. The Toronto "terrorists" are nothing at all like what had been sensationalized, and we see the case against them quietly melting away into nothingness. We also see that those responsible for the bogus arrests are not being held accountable for their politically motivated actions. I'm sure the government will be sued for millions, but that means only we, the coerced and innocent tax payer, will be made to pay.

So where's all the hyped up terrorism that's being used to back up the war in Afghanistan and all those other so-called anti-terrorist measures and laws that seem to benefit no one but the government and the many profiteers who feed off from the tax trough?

If there's any terrorism to be seen, it's being effected by our own government to further an agenda that is designed to beef up the power of governments to do whatever it damn well pleases in the name of protecting its flock from a manufactured threat.

As with the 9/11 attacks, to uncover who is responsible behind a terrorist attack (or accusation), all you have to do is ask: Who benefits the most?

If there really are no terrorists other than those who operate as the government itself, then there's no need for the butchery in Afghanistan, and there's no need for all of the expensive and intrusive government "protection" being forced upon us, nor for any of the anti-terrorist laws that do little more than make everyone a suspected terrorist who must be intrusively monitored at all times and searched without justification.

[Public_Domain]

[hwacker]

rearguard rearguard:

A few weeks prior to the Toronto arrests I had noticed that the controlled press was hyping up the threat of "home grown terrorism" and I predicted that some kind of orchestrated terrorist event was soon about to happen. Later on, and only 2 days before the Toronto arrests were made, CSIS announced that Canada was under threat from "home grown terrorists" as it requested more funding and more powers to do its job, and yet another warning light came on indicating that a big manufactured terrorist event was soon about to happen.

By an amazing coincidence (wink wink) exactly on the same day of the Toronto arrests, a similarly sensationalized "home grown" terrorist plot was announced in the UK with a similarly huge bust involving 400+ police officers (and presumably 400+ reporters) simply to arrest two men. In the UK case, it was later revealed that the men arrested were all found to be completely innocent. One of the innocent men was shot by trigger happy police officers, but fortunately survived. Of course no charges were laid against the police or the UK government for what can only be described as a politically motivated event that almost resulted in the reckless murder of an innocent man.

Now we see that the twin event here in Canada is equally bogus. The Toronto "terrorists" are nothing at all like what had been sensationalized, and we see the case against them quietly melting away into nothingness. We also see that those responsible for the bogus arrests are not being held accountable for their politically motivated actions. I'm sure the government will be sued for millions, but that means only we, the coerced and innocent tax payer, will be made to pay.

So where's all the hyped up terrorism that's being used to back up the war in Afghanistan and all those other so-called anti-terrorist measures and laws that seem to benefit no one but the government and the many profiteers who feed off from the tax trough?

If there's any terrorism to be seen, it's being effected by our own government to further an agenda that is designed to beef up the power of governments to do whatever it damn well pleases in the name of protecting its flock from a manufactured threat.

As with the 9/11 attacks, to uncover who is responsible behind a terrorist attack (or accusation), all you have to do is ask: Who benefits the most?

If there really are no terrorists other than those who operate as the government itself, then there's no need for the butchery in Afghanistan, and there's no need for all of the expensive and intrusive government "protection" being forced upon us, nor for any of the anti-terrorist laws that do little more than make everyone a suspected terrorist who must be intrusively monitored at all times and searched without justification.

yeah ok, i'd rather see them locked up. you'd like them to be making your dinner or driving a taxi.

[Diogenes]

hwacker hwacker:

rearguard rearguard:

A few weeks prior to the Toronto arrests I had noticed that the controlled press was hyping up the threat of "home grown terrorism" and I predicted that some kind of orchestrated terrorist event was soon about to happen. Later on, and only 2 days before the Toronto arrests were made, CSIS announced that Canada was under threat from "home grown terrorists" as it requested more funding and more powers to do its job, and yet another warning light came on indicating that a big manufactured terrorist event was soon about to happen.

By an amazing coincidence (wink wink) exactly on the same day of the Toronto arrests, a similarly sensationalized "home grown" terrorist plot was announced in the UK with a similarly huge bust involving 400+ police officers (and presumably 400+ reporters) simply to arrest two men. In the UK case, it was later revealed that the men arrested were all found to be completely innocent. One of the innocent men was shot by trigger happy police officers, but fortunately survived. Of course no charges were laid against the police or the UK government for what can only be described as a politically motivated event that almost resulted in the reckless murder of an innocent man.

Now we see that the twin event here in Canada is equally bogus. The Toronto "terrorists" are nothing at all like what had been sensationalized, and we see the case against them quietly melting away into nothingness. We also see that those responsible for the bogus arrests are not being held accountable for their politically motivated actions. I'm sure the government will be sued for millions, but that means only we, the coerced and innocent tax payer, will be made to pay.

So where's all the hyped up terrorism that's being used to back up the war in Afghanistan and all those other so-called anti-terrorist measures and laws that seem to benefit no one but the government and the many profiteers who feed off from the tax trough?

If there's any terrorism to be seen, it's being effected by our own government to further an agenda that is designed to beef up the power of governments to do whatever it damn well pleases in the name of protecting its flock from a manufactured threat.

As with the 9/11 attacks, to uncover who is responsible behind a terrorist attack (or accusation), all you have to do is ask: Who benefits the most?

If there really are no terrorists other than those who operate as the government itself, then there's no need for the butchery in Afghanistan, and there's no need for all of the expensive and intrusive government "protection" being forced upon us, nor for any of the anti-terrorist laws that do little more than make everyone a suspected terrorist who must be intrusively monitored at all times and searched without justification.

yeah ok, i'd rather see them locked up. you'd like them to be making your dinner or driving a taxi.

You are no doubt aware of the Hegelian Dialectic?
Problem/ Reaction/ Solution?


Oh Ya! they hate us for our way of life
in which case with the sub prime scam, massive job losses, through the roof energy cost , et all they oughta be coming in their pants as we speak

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hijackers.html
That you beleve what the state tells you put you squarely in the spoken of by Gene Zimmer.
You are the victim of a confidence game based on emotional appeals. see http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 5990235786


Reality, Belief and The Mind (section 1)
by Gene Zimmer
Introduction

One major problem in the world today, and this applies especially to "educated" people, is that they are not really very smart. Actually "smart" is not the right word. What I am trying to say is that they are not very perceptive and suffer from a marked inability to look and see things as they actually are. The reason for this is that they are the most familiar with the ideas and notions of the times, having been thoroughly "educated" into these notions and ideas. This "education" (indoctrination) generally acts to create a set of cultural or "professional" blinders which prevents the "educated" person from viewing or understanding anything outside of the current "professional" framework that they have been indoctrinated into. It's not that they lack and need more knowledge, but that the knowledge that they do have, in itself, acts to prevent them from being able to view and understand anything outside their often limited framework of beliefs and attitudes - a framework that they assume to be be all-inclusive and often quite perfect. The rest of the culture goes along with everything that they promote as "facts" and "truth", because these viewpoints and attitudes tend to be everywhere - newspapers, magazines, TV, schools and colleges.

[sasquatch2]

Once again this establishes the more wisdom results from being informed than being educated.

$1:

In the UK case, it was later revealed that the men arrested were all found to be completely innocent. One of the innocent men was shot by trigger happy police officers, but fortunately survived.

Funny this comes from the same elements that celebrate the UK as a firearms free utopia with unarmed Police.

[rearguard]

$1:

Funny this comes from the same elements that celebrate the UK as a firearms free utopia with unarmed Police.

The UK is in a far worse situation than Canada is, although we're well on our way towards catching up with them. You can ask any of the thousands that have fled the growing UK disaster seeking sanctuary in Canada. Just knock on a few doors and you'll soon find someone who left the UK and came here.

If we leave things alone and headed in the same direction as it is, we'll be soon be trying to get away as well, but there won't be anywhere left to run.

[rearguard]

hwacker hwacker:

yeah ok, i'd rather see them locked up.

If by "them" you mean those who are terrorizing us with false flag operations, deception, coercion, and threat of violence, then yes I'd like to see "them" locked up. The problem is that "they" are the ones who control all of the prisons, all of the courts, and all of the police, so there's no one on our side able and willing to make arrests, convictions, and imprisonments.

$1:

you'd like them to be making your dinner or driving a taxi.

I can cook a very tasty meal all by myself, and I usually don't make use of taxi's, therefore no I don't require "them" to be doing anything at all, however I think your statement is very telling of where your frame of mind lies and I thank you for sharing it with us.

[sasquatch2]

It is fortunate that at the end of the day, the enemy is merely a cabel of religiously indoctriated incompetants. This was as real a threat as they could muster and ridiculous as it appears was a genuine threat.
Attacking the immigrant community is not terribly fair as most of that element are potential victims of this volitile minority, which was frustrated by the actions of the security services.

[rearguard]

Diogenes Diogenes:

This "education" (indoctrination) generally acts to create a set of cultural or "professional" blinders which prevents the "educated" person from viewing or understanding anything outside of the current "professional" framework that they have been indoctrinated into.

One of the most important tenants in this religion of "democracy", "freedom", and "openness" - a religion that we've all been indoctrinated into - is that our[1] government can do no evil, therefore if a crime is committed seemingly against the people, it becomes an unquestioned and immediately established *fact* that the government had nothing to do with it, and to suggest otherwise amounts to committing an act of heresy and treason. Those who question the unquestionable goodness of the state, are branded as "anti-[insert country here]"[2] and sympathisers of the [insert enemy of the day here][3].

[1] The use of the word "our" implies that we own it, and as owners we therefore have at least some measure of control over what it does. Unfortunately, casting a solitary vote once every 4 years hardly justifies the use of the word "our", especially when "our" ruling government tends to get no more than 1/4 of the eligible vote and does what ever it pleases. Those who do not "voluntarily comply" are threatened with destitution and if that does not work, violence is administered (these days using 50,000 volts of electricity).

Furthermore, if I disagree with what the Canadian government is doing, then I'm directly opposing "your" views because it's "your" government; The notion is of course silly and childish in nature, but that's what many are lead to believe and they respond by blindly defending atrocities of war and go so far as to support attacks against their own well being.

[2] After the 9/11 attacks, the heretic's within the USA were immediately branded as "anti-American" or "un-American", while those outside the USA were branded as being enemies of the state: "You're either with us or against us in the fight against terror." - GW Bush.

[3] The current "enemy" are a people who conveniently so happen to live primarily on lands that are rich with oil reserves, or have some other strategic value towards the USA and by extension towards its minions such as the established rulers of Canada who continue to insist that we fight America's war in Afghanistan (no doubt for personal gain) and they do so despite a clear majority of opposition. Despite the glaring contradictions, we still have barrels of blind faith in democracy, freedom, and openness. Our blind faith in a government that can-do-no-evil remains as solid as ever, and it is a faith that is being exploited, making us very weak and vulnerable.

[rearguard]

sasquatch2 sasquatch2:

It is fortunate that at the end of the day, the enemy is merely a cabel of religiously indoctriated incompetants. This was as real a threat as they could muster and ridiculous as it appears was a genuine threat.

Keep in mind that if I had the same resources and lack of oversight as enjoyed by the government and its enforcement agents such as CSIS and the RCMP, then I could just as well manufacture an enemy of religiously indoctriated incompetants, either made up of Jews, Catholics, Protestants, and of course "white supremacists" - you name it, and I could easily manufacture it.

The whole case is not about the people accused (they are nothing but unfortunate patsies), it's a case designed to manufacture a fear against an "enemy" made up out of "home grown [and of course Muslim] terrorists" that do not exist. It is easy to see why the government has reason to generate an irrational fear against nonexistent Muslim home grown terrorists as it fights America's war against Muslim populations who live on lands that have large oil reserves and/or other strategic value, and as it expands its power base by spending billions towards increased monitoring and restrictions over the Canadian people - all for our own protection of course.

[Diogenes]

rearguard rearguard:

sasquatch2 sasquatch2:

It is fortunate that at the end of the day, the enemy is merely a cabel of religiously indoctriated incompetants. This was as real a threat as they could muster and ridiculous as it appears was a genuine threat.

Keep in mind that if I had the same resources and lack of oversight as enjoyed by the government and its enforcement agents such as CSIS and the RCMP, then I could just as well manufacture an enemy of religiously indoctriated incompetants, either made up of Jews, Catholics, Protestants, and of course "white supremacists" - you name it, and I could easily manufacture it.

The whole case is not about the people accused (they are nothing but unfortunate patsies), it's a case designed to manufacture a fear against an "enemy" made up out of "home grown [and of course Muslim] terrorists" that do not exist. It is easy to see why the government has reason to generate an irrational fear against nonexistent Muslim home grown terrorists as it fights America's war against Muslim populations who live on lands that have large oil reserves and/or other strategic value, and as it expands its power base by spending billions towards increased monitoring and restrictions over the Canadian people - all for our own protection of course.

Tsk Tsk! For Shame!
one might easily construe you are motivated by mindfulness, decency and even worser out-right commomsense.