[twister]

CanadianFascist CanadianFascist:

twister twister:

Hey Mr Magic Man Go blow it up your ass. If something happened on canadian soil.. I'd be the first one there. If we had the same thing happen as in WW2 a requirement of all free men to rise up and take arms against a sea of tyranny I'd be there... This is not one of those times ...I support the Canadian troops on the ground in Afganistan Fuck I even know a few over there as I know a few who were in Kosovo and Rwanda ( RCMP).. but don't you ever call me a coward you sniveling little sack of shit.

If i was to do something that my conscience did not go along with... being there would jeopardize my mission and the lives of those around me. Would I go to afganistan probably not... As a peacekeepers like in Kosovo yes.. In direct military action in a place like iraq no.. becuase it has not been ascertained why the americans were in Iraq in the first place. The talk of WMD's was just a ruse, state sposorded terrorism saddam was considered an in fidel by many Muslims thats why there was such hue and outcry when Iraq took back Kuwait... the Saudi's couln't have Saddam ( a sunni) that close Mecca.

Everyone forgets saddam, Bin Laden all these guys were originally trained by the US... read a little history.. The US then turned them loose and after thier service was done turned thier back on them...

Not interested in being part of that but how dare you call these men of conscience Cowards. These are kids who generally signed on the dotted line to get to go to university.. GI Grants... if they had any other way of going to school most would have taken that.. These kids are not professional soldiers... they may have been trained but like the reservists as well they signed to get some training to be called when a need arose in thier communities or country ( hurricae Katrina for instance) Not to go off and Fight for Haliburton or US interests overseas.

Sorry but Some people have social conscience sorry to see that you don't....

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If we had the same thing happen as in WW2 a requirement of all free men to rise up and take arms against a sea of tyranny I'd be there... This is not one of those times

Oh if Canada and the Empire had more people like you we would have lost WWII to the Nazis.

Let me get this straight. Canada was not threatened in WWII. We were never invaded during that time. Yet you have no problem with us having gone to war thousands of miles away. Why is it alright then but not today? The situation is the same. The fight against tyranny. Hitler was a tyrant. Saddam was a tyrant. The Taliban were tyrants.

Tell me, would you have argued this same way had it been 1939? I am curious because your points prove you are advocating the actions of cowards and criminals.

First of all dipshit.. I wrote this at the beginning if you can actually read..

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I'd be the first one there. If we had the same thing happen as in WW2 a requirement of all free men to rise up and take arms against a sea of tyranny I'd be there... This is not one of those times ...I support the Canadian troops on the ground in Afganistan Fuck I even know a few over there as I know a few who were in Kosovo and Rwanda ( RCMP)..

Canada at that time (WW 1 and WW 2) was a country is service of the British Empire. We fought alongside any of the Commonwealth countries. If Britain was in danget then we were in danger. Australia in Danger then we were in danger. Any commonwealth country opposing Hitler, Mussolini or Togo were considered an attack against all commonwealth members.
Hitler and his world views marked a dark period... yes If i was alive at that time I would have been there. There was also conscription at that time different than it is now.

[SireJoe]

Wullu Wullu:

SireJoe SireJoe:

Saddam was like Hitler? The Taliban was like Hitler? Uhhhh no. I think not there kiddo.

When was the last time you heard the Taliban or Saddam invading countries and occupying them for thier own gain? Uhmm never.

If there was something like that going on, then you WOULDNT have people arguing the legitimacy of this war.

Your an idiot as usual. Get a grip.

Missed the Iran/Iraq war and the First Gulf war did ya Sire?

The perfectly valid comparison of the Taliban and Saddam to despots like Hitler and Stalin is not of territory but of the vilification of a people or peoples as a political means to an end. For Hitler it was the Jews and virtually anyone else that Hitler thought he could get milage out of. For Stalin it was the Soviet people themselves. The Taliban have women and the other good people of Afghanistan. Saddam had Shites and the Kurds. If you are ok with the subjucation and mass murder of innocents Sire then mores the pity. I for one am not.

I am still looking for the world wide protests against NATO in the former Yugo, but silly me, they were white folks being slaughtered. Guess the folks in Iraq and Afghanistan have the wrong skin colour for the protesters to give a damn about them.

So what your telling me now is that we are fighting this war becuase of a war that took place in 1991? Uhhmm....no, no I dont think so. The time of the invasion into Iraq had NOTHING to do with either of those wars. Those wars were fought and finished long ago. There is certainly no ground to stand on for those who think that bush jr had the right to go into Iraq becuase daddy didnt finish his job correctly.

And no I have NEVER said I was ok with what Saddam or the Taliban have done or are doing. But we were never asked to fight and free these people. There are MANY MANY MANY more countries out there that you could argue be invaded by wonderful amereeka if you want to use that bullshit stance. Bush stated why he THOUGHT they should go into Iraq. It was BULLSHIT. Plain and simple. To dredge up crap from the past to NOW justify why the US went in there is nothing but bush supporters backpeddling as fast as they can.

[grainfedprairieboy]

As a veteran who was sent to multiple conflicts by a government I was personally opposed to I never once questioned the authority of that government to send me into harms way regardless of my personal feelings as to the legitimacy of the operation or the altruistic motives of the political regime I served. Not all deserters are cowards but certainly all deserters (particularly in a volunteer army) are traitors as each has sworn an oath of service before self. In this day and age when honour and self sacrifice are vestiges of the past, it certainly does not surprise me to see people justify military dissertation on the grounds ideology.

[Wullu]

Ok here we go.

You asked

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When was the last time you heard the Taliban or Saddam invading countries and occupying them for thier own gain? Uhmm never.

You claimed "never". I responded with two such examples. Apparently they were not good enough?

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The time of the invasion into Iraq had NOTHING to do with either of those wars.

I repeat you said "never" and now you readily admit they happened. You sitting there tossing a coin?

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And no I have NEVER said I was ok with what Saddam or the Taliban have done or are doing. But we were never asked to fight and free these people

News flash. No one in France or Europe asked for our help in WWII, we went because it was the right thing to do. No one in Korea asked for our help either. You say you were not ok with what Saddam and the Taliban were doing. So we require an invitation from every single person in Afghanistan or Iraq before we can go? If you are not willing to do SOMETHING then you are tacitly OK with it.

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So what your telling me now is that we are fighting this war becuase of a war that took place in 1991? Uhhmm....no, no I dont think so.

Actually the US is in Iraq because of the 1991 war. There was the small matter of it actually being sanctioned by the UN. The UN is loath to admit that small fact but anyone of at least four security council resolutions gave the Brits, Aussies and Yanks all the authority they required. Go have a read.
Iraq Resloutions

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To dredge up crap from the past to NOW justify why the US went in there is nothing but bush supporters backpeddling as fast as they can

I felt this way BEFORE the allies went into Iraq, no back peddling involved.

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There is certainly no ground to stand on for those who think that bush jr had the right to go into Iraq becuase daddy didnt finish his job correctly.

I love this arguement!!!!!!! You really need to find the nearest tinfoil hat store if you really believe that shit.

Lastly you never did answer my question about where the protesters were for the NATO incursion into the former Yugo. Face it, they were happy for our soldiers, sailors and airmen to lay it on the line for white folks, but could not give a rats ass about people of colour. Iraq, Afghanistan and Rwanada are perfect examples of this implicit racism.

[grainfedprairieboy]

Wullu Wullu:

Lastly you never did answer my question about where the protesters were for the NATO incursion into the former Yugo. Face it, they were happy for our soldiers, sailors and airmen to lay it on the line for white folks, but could not give a rats ass about people of colour. Iraq, Afghanistan and Rwanada are perfect examples of this implicit racism.

I agree with your entire post to this point. During the war in Serbia there were daily protests and anti-war rallies across Canada. Further, Canada did not participate in Iraq and Rwanda not due to racism but rather a political fear our military would suffer casualties and at each time our military was already too far stretched with other commitments. This doesn't make it right but it is closer to the truth than race based decisions by Ottawa.

[Wullu]

grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:

Wullu Wullu:

Lastly you never did answer my question about where the protesters were for the NATO incursion into the former Yugo. Face it, they were happy for our soldiers, sailors and airmen to lay it on the line for white folks, but could not give a rats ass about people of colour. Iraq, Afghanistan and Rwanada are perfect examples of this implicit racism.

I agree with your entire post to this point. During the war in Serbia there were daily protests and anti-war rallies across Canada. Further, Canada did not participate in Iraq and Rwanda not due to racism but rather a political fear our military would suffer casualties and at each time our military was already too far stretched with other commitments. This doesn't make it right but it is closer to the truth than race based decisions by Ottawa.

Agreed grainfed, my post mostly pointed at the European elites. The only reason they protested the Iraq war had nothing to do with concern for the Iraqi people but everything to do with a hatred of the US in general and Bush in particular.

[Nietzshe]

American military deserters = cowards.

Kick the bitch Sheehan out of Canada. Simple and straightforward. Waste no more time. Have our military with real soldiers escort her back to our border with the USA and make certain she crosses over and keep her ass safely ensconced there. She is not wanted her so she needs to stay the fuck out.

[RUEZ]

Nietzshe Nietzshe:

American military deserters = cowards.

Kick the bitch Sheehan out of Canada. Simple and straightforward. Waste no more time. Have our military with real soldiers escort her back to our border with the USA and make certain she crosses over and keep her ass safely ensconced there. She is not wanted her so she needs to stay the fuck out.

must be difficult posting here and on IRC at the same time

[Nietzshe]

RUEZ RUEZ:

Nietzshe Nietzshe:

American military deserters = cowards.

Kick the bitch Sheehan out of Canada. Simple and straightforward. Waste no more time. Have our military with real soldiers escort her back to our border with the USA and make certain she crosses over and keep her ass safely ensconced there. She is not wanted her so she needs to stay the fuck out.

must be difficult posting here and on IRC at the same time

Your attempts are not going to work. I am certain the Admins/Mods are watching at this very moment and therefore clearly aware of who I am and what I am doing which is exactly why I revealed my other identities which I may add are completely IP-banned just as I expect this identity to be shortly.

Keep trying. I find it amusing. It reeks of desperation.