[twister]

first off.. i am a canadian.. never gone AWOL in my life...or desert like you like to call it... Here you go....Given the same circumstances... Go to war in a war that you do not believe in risking not only your life but those around you or walk away from a commitment you made to a piece of paper...a legal contract.. Okay fine so sue them civilly to get GI funding money back... but these kids aren't criminals what law did they break ( beside military laws)... It's not treason they didn't take up arms against the US.. they laid down thier weapons before being sent and walked away.. That change in commitment I am quite certain is still eating at them this very day.. the amount of doubt they feel must be enourmous....... but how dare you from the "comfort of your parents basement" make the comment you did.

[MrMagicMan]

twister twister:

first off.. i am a canadian.. never gone AWOL in my life...or desert like you like to call it... Here you go....Given the same circumstances... Go to war in a war that you do not believe in risking not only your life but those around you or walk away from a commitment you made to a piece of paper...a legal contract.. Okay fine so sue them civilly to get GI funding money back... but these kids aren't criminals what law did they break ( beside military laws)... It's not treason they didn't take up arms against the US.. they laid down thier weapons before being sent and walked away.. That change in commitment I am quite certain is still eating at them this very day.. the amount of doubt they feel must be enourmous....... but how dare you from the "comfort of your parents basement" make the comment you did.

Nope. They're criminals. Also treasonous. Thanks for sparing me the colorful language this time.

[canadian1971]

Wullu Wullu:

Any.... that have signed on the dotted line and swore an oath.... of our own free will and have no intention of carrying out our obligations better be willing to accept the consequenses. In the cases of these deserters that means standing tall and taking your lumps. If it is enough of a reason for you to break your word ( the only thing any of us really own ) then it better be enough of a reason to do time over. If not, then everything they proclaim to stand for is bullshit and they are cowards, pure and simple.

Hammer...meet head of nail.

[twister]

$1:

Nope. They're criminals. Also treasonous. Thanks for sparing me the colorful language this time.

you're WRONG on So many points just hope that in your life you NEVER have to make a decision that these men had to make and

you're welcome.. enjoy your dinner....

[MrMagicMan]

twister twister:

$1:

Nope. They're criminals. Also treasonous. Thanks for sparing me the colorful language this time.

you're WRONG on So many points just hope that in your life you NEVER have to make a decision that these men had to make and

you're welcome.. enjoy your dinner....

Those deserters stand alone while their comrades die for them.

[Ruxpercnd]

There is something pleasing, as an American, to see Cindy Sheehan in Canada. Yes, I think she should stay. Canada has long been known as the home for deserters, I feel comfortable with that. Even America needs to get rid of people sometimes.

[Tman1]

I'm sure you do. You like Canada and seem to be a supporter but don't see the problem in letting people like Cindy Sheehan that America considers trash to stay into Canada. Nice job chum. Very pleasing isn't it?

[Johnny_Utah]

[ridenrain]

Definately another thing from the US that we don't need in Canada.
Besides, Hillary will need her for her campaign.

[Johnny_Utah]

ridenrain ridenrain:

Definately another thing from the US that we don't need in Canada.
Besides, Hillary will need her for her campaign.

Cindy Sheehan started to go after Hillary Clinton because of her support for the Iraq War. For a while there it looked like Hillary was going to have Cindy Sheehan done in the Vince Foster way..

[CanadianFascist]

twister twister:

Hey Mr Magic Man Go blow it up your ass. If something happened on canadian soil.. I'd be the first one there. If we had the same thing happen as in WW2 a requirement of all free men to rise up and take arms against a sea of tyranny I'd be there... This is not one of those times ...I support the Canadian troops on the ground in Afganistan Fuck I even know a few over there as I know a few who were in Kosovo and Rwanda ( RCMP).. but don't you ever call me a coward you sniveling little sack of shit.

If i was to do something that my conscience did not go along with... being there would jeopardize my mission and the lives of those around me. Would I go to afganistan probably not... As a peacekeepers like in Kosovo yes.. In direct military action in a place like iraq no.. becuase it has not been ascertained why the americans were in Iraq in the first place. The talk of WMD's was just a ruse, state sposorded terrorism saddam was considered an in fidel by many Muslims thats why there was such hue and outcry when Iraq took back Kuwait... the Saudi's couln't have Saddam ( a sunni) that close Mecca.

Everyone forgets saddam, Bin Laden all these guys were originally trained by the US... read a little history.. The US then turned them loose and after thier service was done turned thier back on them...

Not interested in being part of that but how dare you call these men of conscience Cowards. These are kids who generally signed on the dotted line to get to go to university.. GI Grants... if they had any other way of going to school most would have taken that.. These kids are not professional soldiers... they may have been trained but like the reservists as well they signed to get some training to be called when a need arose in thier communities or country ( hurricae Katrina for instance) Not to go off and Fight for Haliburton or US interests overseas.

Sorry but Some people have social conscience sorry to see that you don't....

$1:

If we had the same thing happen as in WW2 a requirement of all free men to rise up and take arms against a sea of tyranny I'd be there... This is not one of those times

Oh if Canada and the Empire had more people like you we would have lost WWII to the Nazis.

Let me get this straight. Canada was not threatened in WWII. We were never invaded during that time. Yet you have no problem with us having gone to war thousands of miles away. Why is it alright then but not today? The situation is the same. The fight against tyranny. Hitler was a tyrant. Saddam was a tyrant. The Taliban were tyrants.

Tell me, would you have argued this same way had it been 1939? I am curious because your points prove you are advocating the actions of cowards and criminals.

[SireJoe]

Saddam was like Hitler? The Taliban was like Hitler? Uhhhh no. I think not there kiddo.

When was the last time you heard the Taliban or Saddam invading countries and occupying them for thier own gain? Uhmm never.

If there was something like that going on, then you WOULDNT have people arguing the legitimacy of this war.

Your an idiot as usual. Get a grip.

[HyperionTheEvil]

[quote="twister"]they may now be deserters and criminals becuase they would not go overseas and kill for thier government... These men and women are the exactly same as the ones who fled to Canada 40 years ago in order not to report to go to vietnam...A liitle different cuase there was a draft back then as for now...
Many of these kids signed up to the military to learn a trade or obtain money to go to School the GI Bill... This isn't what they signed up for. US reservists....Why are RESERVISTS weekend warriors.. National guard toops being sent into a direct fire zone. US army regulars sure.. US Marines regular forces sure... US airborne forces.. Sure but why are there reservists on the ground in IRAQ.
hey I was a reservist for 4 years as member of a Militia Unit here in Vancouver... but I tell you this much defend Canada yes to the bitter end defend canada on Canadian soil you bet.. but to go 3000 miles away to participate in what they concieve to be an illegal occupation of another country I would probably do the same thing... walk away...[/quote]

This is precisly the sort of response that peopl give when they sort of wffle about when it comes to militray service.

When you sign up into the militray (and the US and Canada are volunteer foces) it means you dont get a say on where your war is fought. There's no line on the application form where you can check a little box that says "will fight only if Canada is invaded". You agree to follow the orders of the lawful authority - that being anyone who outranks you. And when you sign up that is a contract, a very real one and if you think you wouldnt want to actually you know - like fight or anything. The solution is simple, dont sign up. But if you do and you desert, then you have let your fellow troops, and country down.

The fact is that reservists are now part of what canada called the Total Force concept and has been part of the CF for more than a decade. The reservists out there arent some special class of solider (or sailor or aircrew) that get to pick and choose where they go. You took the governments dollars and you signed the dotted line, congratulations your a service member now. Get used to it. If your concerned about fighting a war somwhere other than the shores of Nova Scoatia, here's some advice. Dont join, the militray doesnt wnt or need people i the Service who are so narrow minded and selfish that they will only fight if the war happens to come to their door. With people like you the Nazi's would have won the second world war for the simple fact is that Australia, Canada, the United States, India, Sotuh Africa, would never have joined because no enemy soliders ever touched thier shore?


So walk away, walk away and let people who honestly know the value of Canada defends the freedoms you so glibly take for granted.

Deserters aren't hero's.

They're cowards and shouldnt be allowed in Canada

[Wullu]

SireJoe SireJoe:

Saddam was like Hitler? The Taliban was like Hitler? Uhhhh no. I think not there kiddo.

When was the last time you heard the Taliban or Saddam invading countries and occupying them for thier own gain? Uhmm never.

If there was something like that going on, then you WOULDNT have people arguing the legitimacy of this war.

Your an idiot as usual. Get a grip.

Missed the Iran/Iraq war and the First Gulf war did ya Sire?

The perfectly valid comparison of the Taliban and Saddam to despots like Hitler and Stalin is not of territory but of the vilification of a people or peoples as a political means to an end. For Hitler it was the Jews and virtually anyone else that Hitler thought he could get milage out of. For Stalin it was the Soviet people themselves. The Taliban have women and the other good people of Afghanistan. Saddam had Shites and the Kurds. If you are ok with the subjucation and mass murder of innocents Sire then mores the pity. I for one am not.

I am still looking for the world wide protests against NATO in the former Yugo, but silly me, they were white folks being slaughtered. Guess the folks in Iraq and Afghanistan have the wrong skin colour for the protesters to give a damn about them.

[twister]

CanadianFascist CanadianFascist:

twister twister:

Hey Mr Magic Man Go blow it up your ass. If something happened on canadian soil.. I'd be the first one there. If we had the same thing happen as in WW2 a requirement of all free men to rise up and take arms against a sea of tyranny I'd be there... This is not one of those times ...I support the Canadian troops on the ground in Afganistan Fuck I even know a few over there as I know a few who were in Kosovo and Rwanda ( RCMP).. but don't you ever call me a coward you sniveling little sack of shit.

If i was to do something that my conscience did not go along with... being there would jeopardize my mission and the lives of those around me. Would I go to afganistan probably not... As a peacekeepers like in Kosovo yes.. In direct military action in a place like iraq no.. becuase it has not been ascertained why the americans were in Iraq in the first place. The talk of WMD's was just a ruse, state sposorded terrorism saddam was considered an in fidel by many Muslims thats why there was such hue and outcry when Iraq took back Kuwait... the Saudi's couln't have Saddam ( a sunni) that close Mecca.

Everyone forgets saddam, Bin Laden all these guys were originally trained by the US... read a little history.. The US then turned them loose and after thier service was done turned thier back on them...

Not interested in being part of that but how dare you call these men of conscience Cowards. These are kids who generally signed on the dotted line to get to go to university.. GI Grants... if they had any other way of going to school most would have taken that.. These kids are not professional soldiers... they may have been trained but like the reservists as well they signed to get some training to be called when a need arose in thier communities or country ( hurricae Katrina for instance) Not to go off and Fight for Haliburton or US interests overseas.

Sorry but Some people have social conscience sorry to see that you don't....

$1:

If we had the same thing happen as in WW2 a requirement of all free men to rise up and take arms against a sea of tyranny I'd be there... This is not one of those times

Oh if Canada and the Empire had more people like you we would have lost WWII to the Nazis.

Let me get this straight. Canada was not threatened in WWII. We were never invaded during that time. Yet you have no problem with us having gone to war thousands of miles away. Why is it alright then but not today? The situation is the same. The fight against tyranny. Hitler was a tyrant. Saddam was a tyrant. The Taliban were tyrants.

Tell me, would you have argued this same way had it been 1939? I am curious because your points prove you are advocating the actions of cowards and criminals.

First of all dipshit.. I wrote this at the beginning if you can actually read..

$1:

I'd be the first one there. If we had the same thing happen as in WW2 a requirement of all free men to rise up and take arms against a sea of tyranny I'd be there... This is not one of those times ...I support the Canadian troops on the ground in Afganistan Fuck I even know a few over there as I know a few who were in Kosovo and Rwanda ( RCMP)..

Canada at that time (WW 1 and WW 2) was a country is service of the British Empire. We fought alongside any of the Commonwealth countries. If Britain was in danget then we were in danger. Australia in Danger then we were in danger. Any commonwealth country opposing Hitler, Mussolini or Togo were considered an attack against all commonwealth members.
Hitler and his world views marked a dark period... yes If i was alive at that time I would have been there. There was also conscription at that time different than it is now.