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The foilers are out.

[Reverend Blair]

$1:

The foilers are out.

Did Harper release his caucus for Easter break, or did they escape on their own?

[uwish]

I hope there is a NA union. Then I can move south with no worries of passport issues and live as a free person finally. No more nanny this, ban that, big brother this.

Canucks need to wake up, here is an interesting read on the "nanny nations" that I hope you find enlightening.

End 'nanny state' bans, argues major new study

04 March 2008

Prohibitions impose huge costs on individuals and society, yet produce few benefits in return

A major new study, released today by the Institute of Economic Affairs*, argues that the expansion of the ‘nanny state’ should be halted. A ‘banning culture’ has seen greater restrictions placed on what individuals are permitted to do with their own bodies on private property.

The study, conducted by a distinguished international panel of experts under Dr John Meadowcroft** of King’s College London, examines the outlawing of the manufacture, distribution, sale or provision of particular goods and services by consenting adults. A wide range of issues are covered including gun control, prostitution and recreational drugs.

The research on the impact of gun control provides a good illustration - tight restrictions, such as the UK handgun bans in 1988 and 1997, have been completely ineffective at reducing both gun crime and the murder rate in general. Indeed, most countries introducing such controls have, like Britain, experienced a dramatic subsequent increase in gun crime and homicide as the market for guns becomes completely controlled by criminals. In Jamaica the murder rate has risen fourfold since guns were banned in the 1970s, with criminals finding it easy to obtain illegal weapons. The study also reveals that in England and Wales only one firearm in ten used in homicide is legally held.

The authors find that in most cases bans and prohibitions impose significant costs on individuals and society as a whole and produce few benefits in return. They place markets into the hands of criminal enterprises and criminalise people who would not otherwise come into conflict with the law, making risky behaviour even more risky, increasing public ignorance and often encouraging the behaviour they seek to prevent. The study concludes that prohibitions are bad public policy and that tighter controls on activities such as drinking alcohol and prostitution are likely to be counter-productive. Alternative solutions, such as improved education and counselling, are likely to be more effective than bans at addressing the problems associated with consensual but undesirable behaviour.

[kenmore]

you can shove that idea up the rectum...

[Diogenes]

"you can shove that idea up the rectum..." what is being suggested then is to returm it from whence it came?


The whole populatiom needs am awakening. I suggest 'u wish' is in a trance not of his making should he believe there will be any such benefits as he seems to think.

There has been no deal struck in my lifetime that will bennefit the common man.
I make this claim not ideally. Anyone with a access to a computer and some guidance as to what to search for will soon enough discover than everything they believe as been told by the various authorities is pretty much bullshit and bubble gum.
The illusion of America does not match the reality and thankfully there are many Americans
who not only know this they warn the rest of us and back those warning up with fact, no some wild assed fantasy.
I seriously doubt there is five percent of the population of the US of some of America knowing what laws govern them
And less than that in Canaduh.

over my time here on vive I have submitted many a fact base article that proves what is now my point.
The thread “Unfettered free though is chock-a-block full of in arguable evidence in support of what I present.

"There are none so enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free."
- Goethe

[mixedfarmer]

no we will never unite. Usa economy is collapsing and over extended on its credit. I dont agree with usa political system of oil companies get all they want, kinda like early in canadas beginning when the liberal party was controlled by the cpr. IT a crazy idea by some crazy people in a crazy nation.

[grainfedprairieboy]

A North American union is as inevitable as a global one. It will not occur following any great announcement but rather through a succession of agreements. It will also not happen overnight but rather a period of centuries.

It is important for Canada to recognise this evolution and ensure we and our decedents are in a position to maximise the benefits and mitigate the drawbacks.

[mixedfarmer]

never happen. Canada will never join the usa. Anyway the world ends dec21 2012 so it wont matter lol

[grainfedprairieboy]

It will unite and there is nothing anyone can do to stop it.

[mixedfarmer]

never

[grainfedprairieboy]

Do you honestly envision Canada as some lone entity in a future world 1000 years from now?

You have to be realistic. No nation survives indefinitely and those with the greatest longevity watched their previous empires crumble and became impoverished for generations and even centuries.

If you look at the relatively short history of Canada it has been characterised by an expansion in size. This evolution will continue through trade agreements, international committments and military cooperation until such a time as we are no longer an independent nation but rather a state to a global empire.

[mixedfarmer]

I dont like usa policy or politics past and present. Usa believed in slavery bring in millions of africans for free labour. They killed off olot of native americans. promised them land then moved in further and kept on killing them. They hate mexicans and now use them as cheap labor source while down grading them. After world war 2 the cia controlled the government and still does. If you had us become part of the usa we would have been in iran looking for wmd and protecting oil for george bushs buddies. If you want to be an american apply for a green card and so long.

[grainfedprairieboy]

mixedfarmer mixedfarmer:

I dont like usa policy or politics past and present.

What does that have to do with the inevitability of globalisation?

mixedfarmer mixedfarmer:

Usa believed in slavery bring in millions of africans for free labour.

So did the British as one time. In fact, any country older then 500 years probably had legalised slavery. Why is the USA the great sinner on this?

mixedfarmer mixedfarmer:

They killed off olot of native americans.

Interesting. Can you name me one instance in history where one tribe of people did not move into another's territory and displace them by force? Where handshakes and mutual agreements led to a peaceful transition of ancestral lands to emerging peoples?

mixedfarmer mixedfarmer:

promised them land then moved in further and kept on killing them.

You'd think the Indians would've eventually caught on.

mixedfarmer mixedfarmer:

They hate mexicans and now use them as cheap labor source while down grading them.

They hate them that much eh? I'll bet a lot of African countries wish they could get the ole USA to hate them enough to accelerate their economies too.

mixedfarmer mixedfarmer:

After world war 2 the cia controlled the government and still does.

Who controls the CIA? Freemasons?

mixedfarmer mixedfarmer:

If you had us become part of the usa

I was thinking more along the lines of having the USA become a part of us.

mixedfarmer mixedfarmer:

we would have been in iran looking for wmd and protecting oil for george bushs buddies.

Nope, just turn the whole area to a sheet of glass.

mixedfarmer mixedfarmer:

If you want to be an american apply for a green card and so long.

I'm already an American by definition and so are you. The political lines between Canada and the US are arbitrary as the cultural divisions are miniscule and the shared history obvious. A union is imminent if not in this century, surely in the next.

If you really believed the US was the Great Satan I should think you'd welcome any opportunity to exert a greater influence over the USA

[mixedfarmer]

(I'm already an American by definition and so are you) most countries in the world and people of usa call themselvels americans. Usa the a stands for america. THey could call themselves usass or usaers ot staters but they call themselves americans . most people in the world know this.

[Diogenes]

You may attack the position but not the man, as is often the case on these forums.
http://www.texemarrs.com/082006/murder_of_america.htm

http://www.radicalpress.com/?cat=90

http://www.scoreboard-canada.com/articl ... dbones.htm
There are, as always, deeper agendas that/what are spoken of on these pages. The surface flff is there solely for the warm fuzzy factor that so many embrace and “feel”.
There is nothing that “just happens” with government and those behind it

The main mark of modern governments is that we do not know who governs, de facto any more than de jure. We see the politician and not his backer; still less the backer of the backer; or, what is more important of all, the banker of the backer. Throned above all, in a manner without parallel in all the past, is the veiled prophet of finance, swaying all men living by a sort of magic. - G. K. Chesterton

Until all get just how deep, broad and high any of this goes they will forever get stuck in the surface fuzzy zone