[ManifestDestiny]

PANZERKNACKER:

You have your view and I have mine. The difference is my views cover more reality then yours. Yours cover more of the BLa BLa Bla that the media feeds to you and you eat it up.

[EyeBrock]

Scape Scape:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

dimoreien dimoreien:

Fair enough! (To all those who responded to my comment lol)

Though Eyebrock, I think that the situation being 'uncanadian' is kind of moot. After all, the guys who put together the London bombings were British citizens...but it's 'unbritish' to do something like that....If you get what I'm trying to say, I'm not vocalising myself very well today!

Well to use your argument, what defines "British"?

"Britishness" is as definable as "Canadian" is.

There is no absolute way to describe a citizen from either country.
Unless you are talking 'race' to define a nationality, which is pretty impossible in most western countries, with open doors to immigrants from all over the globe.

When we encourage people to promote cultures and societies that are alien to our own culture, we should not be suprised when these people don't feel any loyalty to our fair Dominion.

These people are so far from being "Canadian" that they plotted to kill hundreds or even thousands of us.

It's time to stop the PC bullshit and call it as it is.

They are as Canadian as the UK bombers were British or Tim McVeigh was American. They are domesticstragically inspired by international events. By the course of their actions they revealed their intentions and were apprehended by the police that were keeping an eye on them for over two years. Their capture was not luck but by design. I find your comment about loyalty to the dominion out of step with the comments and actions taken by the domestic Canadian Muslimcommunity to this incident. Your comment and others like them are likely to make this in to an unnecessary crisis by looking for a fight with an entire community based on the action of criminals. I hope that is not your intent to do so but if it is I dare say that intent is very anti-Canadian in itself.

They maybe (some of them are) Canadian born but they have chosen to become radical Muslims that are preached to by ranting Immams such as Hindy in Scarborough, they have shunned the mainstream of our society and embarked on a path to destroy, kill and maim.

I couldn't give a toss where they were born, but make no mistake, these guys are the enemies of our country.

How many times do these jihadis have to tell us they hate us before people like you Scape will believe them? Or will you wait until another dormant cell of Islamic lunatics kills hundreds?

[Scape]

They have as much to to with Islam as McVeigh has to to with being an American patriot. They are criminals and should be treated as such. This is politically motivated terror that they choose to act upon. Why must the entire race of people suffer for the acts of criminals? Why must an entire religion be cast out by the act of radicals? When will you see the systematic abuse that has happened here? Do you feel safe in public when you see a Muslim on a bus?

[EyeBrock]

Scape Scape:

They have as much to to with Islam as McVeigh has to to with being an American patriot. They are criminals and should be treated as such. This is politically motivated terror that they choose to act upon. Why must the entire race of people suffer for the acts of criminals? Why must an entire religion be cast out by the act of radicals? When will you see the systematic abuse that has happened here? Do you feel safe in public when you see a Muslim on a bus?

Mainstream Islam has tolerated these nutters within.
Because they have turned the other cheek, so to speak, they have provided the environment for these radicals to grow.

100% of Muslims are not terrorists, however 100% of these "Canadian" terrorists are Muslims.

Stop apologising for them Scape. These guys are more than mere criminals. They didn't set up a 'grow-op' or have a car 'ringing' operation on the go.
They planned to blow up OUR cities and kill and maim OUR citizens, our children, our wives.

I saw Fatah ( a leading Muslim commentator) on CTV QP yesterday and he was blaming our involvement in Afghanistan. What a cop out.
This ring of terrorists were organising 3 years ago, before our expanded mission. More lies from the apologists.

They are terrorists and until mainstream Muslims come on side with us in rooting out these arse-oles within their own mosques, they will be viewed with suspicion.

[Scape]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Stop apologising for them Scape. These guys are more than mere criminals.

They are terrorists and until mainstream Muslims come on side with us in rooting out these arse-oles within their own mosques, they will be viewed with suspicion.

I don't apologise for criminals. Once they have their day in court they will be in jail and you will hear no protest from me about that at all. Where do you see me saying we should bomb cities?

Still feel safe on that bus? I gather not since you refer to all Mulsims in your post. That is not their problem, it's yours but your making it everyones to deal with.

[EyeBrock]

Scape Scape:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Stop apologising for them Scape. These guys are more than mere criminals.

They are terrorists and until mainstream Muslims come on side with us in rooting out these arse-oles within their own mosques, they will be viewed with suspicion.

I don't apologise for criminals. Once they have their day in court they will be in jail and you will hear no protest from me about that at all. Where do you see me saying we should bomb cities?

Still feel safe on that bus? I gather not since you refer to all Mulsims in your post. That is not their problem, it's yours but your making it everyones to deal with.

Still can't call them "terrorists" eh Scape?

I won't be on any buses though mate, I prefer my car.
But if I was travelling on a bus in the GTA, I'd be a little nervous.
Just like everybody is nervous on the buses and trains in London and Madrid, for very good reasons.

And the 'bomb' cities stuff, you appear to have a problem reading what I wrote.
These terrorists wanted to use 3 tonnes of ammonium nitrate. That's a very big bomb. What do you think they wanted it for? To fertilize the Mississauga Mosque lawn?

[Scape]

When a criminal is caught planning to rob a bank they are still a criminal. What they have done is a crime but if you want me to call them terrorists then so be it. You are also spreading a version of terror in the form of hysteria by making all Canadian Muslims motives suspect.

$1:

100% of Muslims are not terrorists, however 100% of these "Canadian" terrorists are Muslims.

That is hysteria. It would be like saying all Catholics are terrorists if they come from Ireland.

[EyeBrock]

Scape Scape:

When a criminal is caught planning to rob a bank they are still a criminal. What they have done is a crime but if you want me to call them terrorists then so be it. You are also spreading a version of terror in the form of hysteria by making all Canadian Muslims motives suspect.

$1:

100% of Muslims are not terrorists, however 100% of these "Canadian" terrorists are Muslims.

That is hysteria. It would be like saying all Catholics are terrorists if they come from Ireland.

What's hysterical about my comment? Is it not true? Islam definitely has a part to play in this.

I stand by my comment.

100% of Muslims are not terrorists, however 100% of these "Canadian" terrorists are Muslims.

Until Canadian Muslims stop paying lip service to actual terrorists in their midst and attack the extremists within their mosques and communities all Muslims will face suspicious looks from their neighbours. Simple fact of life Scape.

Catholics in Northern Ireland had to learn that lesson before peace came to Ulster.
I think Canadian Muslims will need to proactively fight the jihadists within, instead of blaming Israel, the US invasion of Iraq, NATO's efforts in Afghanistan and all the other usual suspects that Muslim's and their apologists have been using to excuse terrorism.

These are Canadians who have targetted their own to further their extremist views. They would have killed countless innocent people if they had not been stopped.

Stop apologising for terrorists.

[Ruxpercnd]

There are several muslim intitutions that represent muslims in Canada including the Muslim Canadian Congress http://www.muslimcanadiancongress.org/

My feeling is that if they take a stand against violence then those statements should be valued.

It is obvious that the islamic world is quite fractured. If the major muslim organizations profess loyalty to Canadian law and culture then that represents a victory for Canada. And those who promote violence are going to be the outsiders. I heard a mainstream muslim call the bad guys "Freelancers". We have certainly had many christian freelancers here in the U.S. and we stomp on them pretty hard when they break the law.

I don't know about Canada, but here in the U.S. it is illegal to promote the violent overthrow of the government. Freedom of speech and association stop right there.

We have been led to believe that there are terror cells that operate openly in Canada. That is disturbing to us. I think Canada will win and the terrorist will lose. It is just that there are still some dots to connect.

[EyeBrock]

Ruxpercnd Ruxpercnd:

There are several muslim intitutions that represent muslims in Canada including the Muslim Canadian Congress http://www.muslimcanadiancongress.org/

My feeling is that if they take a stand against violence then those statements should be valued.

It is obvious that the islamic world is quite fractured. If the major muslim organizations profess loyalty to Canadian law and culture then that represents a victory for Canada. And those who promote violence are going to be the outsiders. I heard a mainstream muslim call the bad guys "Freelancers". We have certainly had many christian freelancers here in the U.S. and we stomp on them pretty hard when they break the law.

I don't know about Canada, but here in the U.S. it is illegal to promote the violent overthrow of the government. Freedom of speech and association stop right there.

We have been led to believe that there are terror cells that operate openly in Canada. That is disturbing to us. I think Canada will win and the terrorist will lose. It is just that there are still some dots to connect.

That's the same Muslim Canadian Congress where Prof Elmsary said it was ok to kill Israeli's over the age of 18 because those kids were old enough to join the army.

The same Muslim Canadian Congress that blamed these terror cells on Canada's role in Afghanistan on CTV"s Question Period on Sunday last.

Not a lot of credibility from thses guys Rux.

[Scape]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

What's hysterical about my comment? Is it not true? Islam definitely has a part to play in this.

Islam has not, this is poltical. They are using religion as an excuse but Islam itself has nothing to do with it. Otherwise Islam would be illigal as it would be endorsing acts of terrorism.

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Until Canadian Muslims stop paying lip service to actual terrorists in their midst and attack the extremists within their mosques and communities all Muslims will face suspicious looks from their neighbours. Simple fact of life Scape.

No, that is your choice.

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

These are Canadians who have targetted their own to further their extremist views. They would have killed countless innocent people if they had not been stopped.

So they should be tried for their crimes in a court of law.

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Stop apologising for terrorists.

I never have. Stop pretending otherwise.

[EyeBrock]

Scape Scape:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

What's hysterical about my comment? Is it not true? Islam definitely has a part to play in this.

Islam has not, this is poltical. They are using religion as an excuse but Islam itself has nothing to do with it. Otherwise Islam would be illigal as it would be endorsing acts of terrorism.

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Until Canadian Muslims stop paying lip service to actual terrorists in their midst and attack the extremists within their mosques and communities all Muslims will face suspicious looks from their neighbours. Simple fact of life Scape.

No, that is your choice.

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

These are Canadians who have targetted their own to further their extremist views. They would have killed countless innocent people if they had not been stopped.

So they should be tried for their crimes in a court of law.

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Stop apologising for terrorists.

I never have. Stop pretending otherwise.

So what's your point Scape?
Bury your head in the sand and pretend there are no bad people who call themselves Muslims out there?
A good chunk of these terrorists went to the same Mosque in Scarborough, even though there are plenty of Mosques in Mississauga, but hey, I'm sure it was just for the sweet meats after prayers.

[Jaime_Souviens]

Scape Scape:

Jaime_Souviens Jaime_Souviens:

I am saying that incidents against Muslims a) should not be a surprise, b) are not caused by an irrational state of mind. ---A state of mind of which we might not approve, but not an irrational one.

People do generate opinions about groups based on what individuals do. Nor is that a bad thing. If I see a lot of Swiss skiing, I might conclude that Swiss ski a lot. That is not irrational.

That's why they call it racism Jamie. Are you a proponent of it?

First, it is NOT racism, and fuck you for suggesting that it is.

We make extrapolations from the specific to the general all the time, both with inanimate objects, abstract concepts, and yes, to people. It's called inductive reasoning.

Racism is adhering to negative stereotypes even when contradicted by reason, OR, priortizing race-based categorizations as more important than any individual traits or even alternate categorization schemes.

There are patterns to human behavior. Some patterns are common across groups. Recognizing this and acting on it is not racism. Otherwise, we'd allow five year olds to drive cars.

Second, look at my posts. I advocated no position at all on this. I merely described how things work, and I did not approve of it, (in fact, an astute reader would probably have detected disapproval).

Third, you're pathetic if you have to resort to accusations of racism right out of the gate. If you're not a knee-jerk liberal, you're doing an excellent parody of one.

I skimmed the rest of your post and saw nothing worth commenting on...

[Jaime_Souviens]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

How many times do these jihadis have to tell us they hate us before people like you Scape will believe them? Or will you wait until another dormant cell of Islamic lunatics kills hundreds?

[EyeBrock]

Jaime_Souviens Jaime_Souviens:

Scape Scape:

Jaime_Souviens Jaime_Souviens:

I am saying that incidents against Muslims a) should not be a surprise, b) are not caused by an irrational state of mind. ---A state of mind of which we might not approve, but not an irrational one.

People do generate opinions about groups based on what individuals do. Nor is that a bad thing. If I see a lot of Swiss skiing, I might conclude that Swiss ski a lot. That is not irrational.

That's why they call it racism Jamie. Are you a proponent of it?

First, it is NOT racism, and fuck you for suggesting that it is.

We make extrapolations from the specific to the general all the time, both with inanimate objects, abstract concepts, and yes, to people. It's called inductive reasoning.

Racism is adhering to negative stereotypes even when contradicted by reason, OR, priortizing race-based categorizations as more important than any individual traits or even alternate categorization schemes.

There are patterns to human behavior. Some patterns are common across groups. Recognizing this and acting on it is not racism. Otherwise, we'd allow five year olds to drive cars.

Second, look at my posts. I advocated no position at all on this. I merely described how things work, and I did not approve of it, (in fact, an astute reader would probably have detected disapproval).

Third, you're pathetic if you have to resort to accusations of racism right out of the gate. If you're not a knee-jerk liberal, you're doing an excellent parody of one.

I skimmed the rest of your post and saw nothing worth commenting on...

You should remember Jaime, nobody is allowed to have an opinion on people who are not Anglo-Saxons in this country. Any opinion is racist, so say all the thought police from the media and our left wing chums.

Political correctness has just been an enabler for the terror cells within our society.