[SireJoe]

Tricks Tricks:

SireJoe SireJoe:

But to tricks. No. I never said anything about a bouncy plane. Try again.

Well you said thaat we don't fall down when a fly runs into us right? A fly bounces off and flies away. So if you are using that analogy, then clearly the plane should bounce off to? Or are you going to admit that analogy was retarded.

It was a fucking example of size vs. size, not material and the make up of each structure to one another. Talk about nit picking here. What the hell. Maybe I should add that the fly had a little bomb strapped to its back that goes off just as it hits you? Is that better for you?

Hopefully you can get that one a little better little boy.

As to everyone else. What the hell man? Seriously. I was bringing up a FUCKING EXAMPLE. I NEVER SAID I BELIEVED IT.

The kid asked a question. I answered it. Is it really that hard to comprehend that I was giving an example why OTHER PEOPLE might have trouble believing the governments version of the story?

How about reading what I write instead of making shit up that suits your own need to completely and utterly dismiss such an event.

[Tricks]

SireJoe SireJoe:

It was a fucking example of size vs. size, not material and the make up of each structure to one another. Talk about nit picking here. What the hell. Maybe I should add that the fly had a little bomb strapped to its back that goes off just as it hits you? Is that better for you?

You didn't NOT say it either. Just admit it was a shitty analogy. I would love to see a bomb that size do significant damage too.

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Hopefully you can get that one a little better little boy.

You're calling me a little boy? You're the one who throws temper tantrums whenever someone points out you said something stupid.

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As to everyone else. What the hell man? Seriously. I was bringing up a FUCKING EXAMPLE. I NEVER SAID I BELIEVED IT.

Do you always argue with yourself then?

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The kid asked a question. I answered it. Is it really that hard to comprehend that I was giving an example why OTHER PEOPLE might have trouble believing the governments version of the story?

Well when your answer doesn't make any logical sense either....

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How about reading what I write instead of making shit up that suits your own need to completely and utterly dismiss such an event.

How about you stop freaking out when someone opposes you?

[SireJoe]

Its not a matter of SOMEONE its a matter of SEVERAL people taking what I said out of context. So damn rights I wil defend myself. Sorry I aint no push over.

Once again though, you just cannot comprehend what is being said with examples or understand others POV. And that truly is sad. I feel for you.

[Scrappy]

Bodah two great posts thankyou for taking the time to respond. I have come to the conclusion that we will never appease the Tin Foil hat club because they'd rather be anti-Bush than see the evil that lurks outside their basement windows. What ever the internet says is the absolute trueth and nothing but the trueth. Sad gnats, I bet most can't read or if they do it's comic books.

[Blue_Nose]

SireJoe SireJoe:

Once again though, you just cannot comprehend what is being said with examples or understand others POV. And that truly is sad. I feel for you.

Your analogy is not valid in this situation. It's ridiculous to claim that others should respect this point of view when it's entirely incorrect.

[Wullu]

Well Sire, the best analogy I can give you is a june bug and a motorcycle. I hit one square in the chest at about 110 kmh. It left a bruise 2 inches in diameter and left me winded. If the little bastard had been made of aluminum or steel I figure it would have made it through my leathers. That was a bug that wieghed in at maybe 4 or 5 grams. Now make that bug a 757 weighing 20 Million times more and moving at about 950 Kmh. Hot knife through butter comes to mind.

[SireJoe]

june bug, fly same thing

In any event. If it was unclear in what I was trying to portray I am sorry. If someone might have asked then I could have easy stated this:

I did not mean the mass or explosive properties of the fly, I simply meant the size of the fly incomparison to yourself. That is all. It is small, you are big. The plane is small, the tower is big. Thats it. Thats all.

[EyeBrock]

SireJoe SireJoe:

june bug, fly same thing

In any event. If it was unclear in what I was trying to portray I am sorry. If someone might have asked then I could have easy stated this:

I did not mean the mass or explosive properties of the fly, I simply meant the size of the fly incomparison to yourself. That is all. It is small, you are big. The plane is small, the tower is big. Thats it. Thats all.

I'm sorry, unless the fly is about the size of an eagle, loaded with napalm and rocket assisted to make it fly at 500 knots your analogy is simplistic at best and pretty damn wrong.

Tricks hit the nail on the head.

[SireJoe]

Wow, silly boy. Guess ya cant read, can ya?


SIZE. ITS THE FUCKING SIZE. NOTHING TO DO WITH EXPLOSIVE POWER. NOTHING TO DO WITH ROCKETS OR SPEED.

But hey, who am I to disagree with everybody. Obviously NO one has any reason to question the almighty bush report! No one should EVER question what the government does or says! Obviously everyone thinks the way you guys do!

Ohhhh how I love being an automaton drone!

[Jaime_Souviens]

Scrappy Scrappy:

Why is it so difficult for some to just except that Arab Muslims flew the planes into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon? They have publicly denounced us as infidels and the Radicals scream and rant about the evils of the "West" and yet some would prefer to believe that the U.S. master-minded these terrible deeds. Sorry but it's twisted thinking to the extreme.

I'll give you a reason why.

Because it deflects the full force of the attacks.

Not even the political situation of the whole thing, just the raw human grief of what happened. There are people who can't face it. They can't deal with it. (And I'm not saying that's an easy thing to do.)

And yet, they're obsessed by it.

I think it's a situation where, if they can turn it into something else, anything else, then they can think about that alternate reality, rather than what really happened.

They don't have to think about the hatred, the callous disregard for human life, the carnage, the burning, the buildings giving way, the falling.

It's a way to avoid the grisly reality.

[Wullu]

Jaime_Souviens Jaime_Souviens:

Scrappy Scrappy:

Why is it so difficult for some to just except that Arab Muslims flew the planes into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon? They have publicly denounced us as infidels and the Radicals scream and rant about the evils of the "West" and yet some would prefer to believe that the U.S. master-minded these terrible deeds. Sorry but it's twisted thinking to the extreme.

I'll give you a reason why.

Because it deflects the full force of the attacks.

Not even the political situation of the whole thing, just the raw human grief of what happened. There are people who can't face it. They can't deal with it. (And I'm not saying that's an easy thing to do.)

And yet, they're obsessed by it.

I think it's a situation where, if they can turn it into something else, anything else, then they can think about that alternate reality, rather than what really happened.

They don't have to think about the hatred, the callous disregard for human life, the carnage, the burning, the buildings giving way, the falling.

It's a way to avoid the grisly reality.

Bingo Jamie. I always cringe when I hear folks say that the world changed on 9/11. The world did not change that day. The only thing that changed that day was that the west was shown the reality of the world. Warts and all.

[Jaime_Souviens]

Wullu Wullu:

Jaime_Souviens Jaime_Souviens:

Scrappy Scrappy:

Why is it so difficult for some to just except that Arab Muslims flew the planes into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon? They have publicly denounced us as infidels and the Radicals scream and rant about the evils of the "West" and yet some would prefer to believe that the U.S. master-minded these terrible deeds. Sorry but it's twisted thinking to the extreme.

I'll give you a reason why.

Because it deflects the full force of the attacks.

Not even the political situation of the whole thing, just the raw human grief of what happened. There are people who can't face it. They can't deal with it. (And I'm not saying that's an easy thing to do.)

And yet, they're obsessed by it.

I think it's a situation where, if they can turn it into something else, anything else, then they can think about that alternate reality, rather than what really happened.

They don't have to think about the hatred, the callous disregard for human life, the carnage, the burning, the buildings giving way, the falling.

It's a way to avoid the grisly reality.

Bingo Jamie. I always cringe when I hear folks say that the world changed on 9/11. The world did not change that day. The only thing that changed that day was that the west was shown the reality of the world. Warts and all.

I don't know about that.

I suspect we hit a new low that day.

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Whatever the sum total of humanity was on the start of September 11th, 2001; all of humanity's highs and lows, all of humanity's achievements and failures; whatever that sum total was, by the end of September 11th that value had diminshed. Maybe by a small amount, maybe a big amount, but it meant a little less to be a human by the end of the day.

This is all of us :

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[stratos]

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I would love to see a bomb that size do significant damage too.

Just because it came to mind when I read the above, and yep I know what I'm about to say has the bomb being a bit bigger but.....

A firecraker held in two fingers......... I would call loseing two fingers significant damge.

Like I said it came to my mind when I read what you typed. Overall I do agree the analagy you were speaking of was a bit lame.

Dont know if anyone has covered this here but I heard the tin cap crowed spewing about explosions and fire in the building saying its proff of US gov. blowing up the WTC's. Thats a crock of shit. Ever hear of jet fuel its what makes the planes go. It burns and explodes.

Ok i've said my bit and probely pissed someone(s) off with my firecracker example. Back to the normal ranting and discussions of this thread. Just rem. everyone that 9/11 can happen again anywhere at anytime. Next time, I hope there never is, could even be worse.

[Wullu]

Jaime_Souviens Jaime_Souviens:

Wullu Wullu:

Jaime_Souviens Jaime_Souviens:

Scrappy Scrappy:

Why is it so difficult for some to just except that Arab Muslims flew the planes into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon? They have publicly denounced us as infidels and the Radicals scream and rant about the evils of the "West" and yet some would prefer to believe that the U.S. master-minded these terrible deeds. Sorry but it's twisted thinking to the extreme.

I'll give you a reason why.

Because it deflects the full force of the attacks.

Not even the political situation of the whole thing, just the raw human grief of what happened. There are people who can't face it. They can't deal with it. (And I'm not saying that's an easy thing to do.)

And yet, they're obsessed by it.

I think it's a situation where, if they can turn it into something else, anything else, then they can think about that alternate reality, rather than what really happened.

They don't have to think about the hatred, the callous disregard for human life, the carnage, the burning, the buildings giving way, the falling.

It's a way to avoid the grisly reality.

Bingo Jamie. I always cringe when I hear folks say that the world changed on 9/11. The world did not change that day. The only thing that changed that day was that the west was shown the reality of the world. Warts and all.

I don't know about that.

I suspect we hit a new low that day.

$1:

Whatever the sum total of humanity was on the start of September 11th, 2001; all of humanity's highs and lows, all of humanity's achievements and failures; whatever that sum total was, by the end of September 11th that value had diminshed. Maybe by a small amount, maybe a big amount, but it meant a little less to be a human by the end of the day.

A new low? Only in degree. The west, was for too long safe in our own ignorance. We could ignore Rewanda. We could ignore the chemical attacks on the Kurds. We could ignore all manner of things that seemed to have no effect on us. We felt we could not ignore an attack on those we saw as ourselves. Nothing had changed but the victims.

[Firecat]

Wullu Wullu:

Jaime_Souviens Jaime_Souviens:

Wullu Wullu:

Jaime_Souviens Jaime_Souviens:

Scrappy Scrappy:

Why is it so difficult for some to just except that Arab Muslims flew the planes into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon? They have publicly denounced us as infidels and the Radicals scream and rant about the evils of the "West" and yet some would prefer to believe that the U.S. master-minded these terrible deeds. Sorry but it's twisted thinking to the extreme.

I'll give you a reason why.

Because it deflects the full force of the attacks.

Not even the political situation of the whole thing, just the raw human grief of what happened. There are people who can't face it. They can't deal with it. (And I'm not saying that's an easy thing to do.)

And yet, they're obsessed by it.

I think it's a situation where, if they can turn it into something else, anything else, then they can think about that alternate reality, rather than what really happened.

They don't have to think about the hatred, the callous disregard for human life, the carnage, the burning, the buildings giving way, the falling.

It's a way to avoid the grisly reality.

Bingo Jamie. I always cringe when I hear folks say that the world changed on 9/11. The world did not change that day. The only thing that changed that day was that the west was shown the reality of the world. Warts and all.

I don't know about that.

I suspect we hit a new low that day.

$1:

Whatever the sum total of humanity was on the start of September 11th, 2001; all of humanity's highs and lows, all of humanity's achievements and failures; whatever that sum total was, by the end of September 11th that value had diminshed. Maybe by a small amount, maybe a big amount, but it meant a little less to be a human by the end of the day.

A new low? Only in degree. The west, was for too long safe in our own ignorance. We could ignore Rewanda. We could ignore the chemical attacks on the Kurds. We could ignore all manner of things that seemed to have no effect on us. We felt we could not ignore an attack on those we saw as ourselves. Nothing had changed but the victims.

Very true.

But human capacity for empathy only extends so far, thus to North Americans 9/11 is the most significant event ever have occurred. Through the narcissistic lens, to America it is and shall ever be of greater significance than any other event. To Israel it cannot begin to compare to the Holocaust. To Armenians it will never compare even to the Armenian Genocide and displacement by the Turks.

To Palestinians it does not begin to compare to the creation of a Jewish homeland on what they saw as their land.

What happens to me is of much more importance than what happens to you.