[Scape]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

I think everyone IS entitled to a standard level of medical care and I believe that it should be AFFORDABLE to all. The system however needs to be funded and therefore should not be free. This si what our medical system was supposed to have been like. Unfortunately it has become something else entirely.

I'll go back to the postal analogy. We both have a letter we need to send to Australia, however I can afford to use a courier company and have it there in one day. You don't have a lot of money but you can afford to use the regular postal services. My use of the courier services has in no way shape or form impeded your access to the post office and the services it offers. Hey, maybe occasionally you can afford to use the courier, when you are in a rush and can afford it. It will have all the services you could need because it makes a profit and reinvests it. Should I ever run into financial hardship, the post office will always be there if I need it, funded by taxes paid by all, including the courier company.

Doctors and support staff aren't a dime a dozen and there is a limited number of them. To make the private express medical system would be to deny doctors and beds from the public. You are still getting staff from the same limited labour pool.

GP's are right now hard to get in most rural areas. When you make private clinics that do only one type of care and pay 3-5 times what you get in public system as a doctor would you stay? The public system can not pay more unless you want to raise premiums. To over specialize will weaken the system that is already falling short like twins that have one heart (labour pool) you'll end up killing them both.

[ShepherdsDog]

I'd propose a system that has the gov't paying for medical school and then the doctor who was the beneficiary has to serve 5 years in a hospital determined by the government. This would be much like the Royal Roads program for officers. A government paid education with a term of civil service. This can also be extended to nurses and or other medical personell. This would increase the overall supply of trained medical staff. A Private system could also afford to recruit from out of country. Foreign trained physicians could be put into a modified system and serve their times in rural areas under a supervising physician, until certified .

[BeaverBill]

$1:

.....To over specialize will weaken the system that is already falling short like twins that have one heart (labour pool) you'll end up killing them both

Sort of what's happening over here. Doctors work their 8-9 hours a day in the public then go to their private clinics and work from there... how effective is their work in their 12+ hour?

It reminds me of a course I did in a community college. The professor finished his day job and to make a few extra bucks through the evening did the night course. needless to say he waisted my 350+ dollars as he was practically asleep for our course. He did a crap job and he still managed to take my money.

[ShepherdsDog]

There's also the fact that doctor's in private practice could be required to allow for a certain amount of pro bono.

[kal]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

I think everyone IS entitled to a standard level of medical care and I believe that it should be AFFORDABLE to all. The system however needs to be funded and therefore should not be free. This si what our medical system was supposed to have been like. Unfortunately it has become something else entirely.

I'll go back to the postal analogy. We both have a letter we need to send to Australia, however I can afford to use a courier company and have it there in one day. You don't have a lot of money but you can afford to use the regular postal services. My use of the courier services has in no way shape or form impeded your access to the post office and the services it offers. Hey, maybe occasionally you can afford to use the courier, when you are in a rush and can afford it. It will have all the services you could need because it makes a profit and reinvests it. Should I ever run into financial hardship, the post office will always be there if I need it, funded by taxes paid by all, including the courier company.

However, due to the increasing privatization of Canada Post their costs are increasing greatly and their servie is decreasing greatly. I for one (and a lot of other people I know) won't ship a parcel CP at all because the chance of it getting "lost" nowadays is too great a risk.

As for your point on healt care, I see where you're coming from and in theory it's a good idea. The problem is once there is money to be made in the private stream, what doctor is going to go into the public system?

[ShepherdsDog]

kal kal:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

I think everyone IS entitled to a standard level of medical care and I believe that it should be AFFORDABLE to all. The system however needs to be funded and therefore should not be free. This si what our medical system was supposed to have been like. Unfortunately it has become something else entirely.

I'll go back to the postal analogy. We both have a letter we need to send to Australia, however I can afford to use a courier company and have it there in one day. You don't have a lot of money but you can afford to use the regular postal services. My use of the courier services has in no way shape or form impeded your access to the post office and the services it offers. Hey, maybe occasionally you can afford to use the courier, when you are in a rush and can afford it. It will have all the services you could need because it makes a profit and reinvests it. Should I ever run into financial hardship, the post office will always be there if I need it, funded by taxes paid by all, including the courier company.

However, due to the increasing privatization of Canada Post their costs are increasing greatly and their servie is decreasing greatly. I for one (and a lot of other people I know) won't ship a parcel CP at all because the chance of it getting "lost" nowadays is too great a risk.

As for your point on healt care, I see where you're coming from and in theory it's a good idea. The problem is once there is money to be made in the private stream, what doctor is going to go into the public system?

read my following post.

[kal]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

kal kal:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

I think everyone IS entitled to a standard level of medical care and I believe that it should be AFFORDABLE to all. The system however needs to be funded and therefore should not be free. This si what our medical system was supposed to have been like. Unfortunately it has become something else entirely.

I'll go back to the postal analogy. We both have a letter we need to send to Australia, however I can afford to use a courier company and have it there in one day. You don't have a lot of money but you can afford to use the regular postal services. My use of the courier services has in no way shape or form impeded your access to the post office and the services it offers. Hey, maybe occasionally you can afford to use the courier, when you are in a rush and can afford it. It will have all the services you could need because it makes a profit and reinvests it. Should I ever run into financial hardship, the post office will always be there if I need it, funded by taxes paid by all, including the courier company.

However, due to the increasing privatization of Canada Post their costs are increasing greatly and their servie is decreasing greatly. I for one (and a lot of other people I know) won't ship a parcel CP at all because the chance of it getting "lost" nowadays is too great a risk.

As for your point on healt care, I see where you're coming from and in theory it's a good idea. The problem is once there is money to be made in the private stream, what doctor is going to go into the public system?

read my following post.

Not a bad theory, but it would still require a massive increase in funding to the public health care system that it's not likely to get.

[ShepherdsDog]

you have to spend some money to make money

[kal]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

you have to spend some money to make money

And how is the government going to make money off the public system?

[ShepherdsDog]

The public system would have affordable user fees and premiums, just as certain provinces do now, based on a persons/family's income. It wouldn't be used a revenue generator.

[kal]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

The public system would have affordable user fees and premiums, just as certain provinces do now, based on a persons/family's income. It wouldn't be used a revenue generator.

I can agree with the theory, but in practise I don't think it would work very well.

[Scape]

We already have premiums and fee's for medical equipment and prescriptions are already in place. We also have a public education system and the demand is already far exceeding capacity. Call the BC College of Physicians & Surgeons and ask how long it will take to get a GP in Prince Rupert. We need doctors right now not 5 years down the road.

[ShepherdsDog]

unfortunately thing are going to get worse before they get better Rural hospitals are losing doctors hand over fist. To relieve the current shortage we could consider foreign trained doctors that aren't currently certified. A modified residency program could be established now that, while it couldn't solve the problem, could ease it somewhat.

[adahen]

How many people waiting at the clinic or hospital are really sick? I have seen people go because they felt "strange" that morning.Or they read about Aids and figure they have it Or they read about a new virus etc... .People who are not sick should have to pay out of their own pocket and then maybe they really will go to the Doctor Only when they are sick.I also enjoy Michael Moores movies I find them to be enlightning.People need more people like him to show us more of the bull going on

[kal]

adahen adahen:

How many people waiting at the clinic or hospital are really sick? I have seen people go because they felt "strange" that morning.Or they read about Aids and figure they have it Or they read about a new virus etc... .People who are not sick should have to pay out of their own pocket and then maybe they really will go to the Doctor Only when they are sick.I also enjoy Michael Moores movies I find them to be enlightning.People need more people like him to show us more of the bull going on

MM's movies are great if you can see through the bullshit and bias in them.