[Scape]

Missile Defense Test Failed As Support Arm In Silo Failed To Clear: General

BM'D' is not just defensive missiles, it is a network of satellites that gather information on possible missile threats. The later stages of BM'D' will use killer satellites that are designed to take out a missile while it is still in the 1st launch stage as this is when the missile is moving the slowest and the most venerable. The killer satellites are also designed to take out recon satellites of the opposing nation so saying this is only defensive is incorrect. This is a marked escalation in an international arms race that sole purpose is to undermines the validity of the balance of power of the threat of a mutually assured destruction. The real idea of BM'D' is to make the US invulnerable to counter-attack, that is offensive, not defensive.

[WarHawk]

So what? I'd rather have the USA runing the show than say...China.

Also, wouldn't destroying enemy satelliets be an act of pre-emptive defense? Making it so that the enemy cannot attack them?

[Scape]

Well your escalating to a conflict then. There is no way to win a nuclear war so the strategy is madness to begin with.

As for the USA over China argument are you suggesting we have the USA as our masters? I choose neither. I will resist a police state or any path that leads to a police state. As Jefferson said, opposition to tyrants is obedience to God.

[WarHawk]

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Well your escalating to a conflict then. There is no way to win a nuclear war so the strategy is madness to begin with.

The weapons don't have to be used untill the conflict has escalated. It's not like the USA is going to launch these tomorrow.

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As for the USA over China argument are you suggesting we have the USA as our masters? I choose neither. I will resist a police state or any path that leads to a police state. As Jefferson said, opposition to tyrants is obedience to God.

No I never said that. The USA is a democracy, China is the police state, try not to get the two mixed up.

[Scape]

No, a father knows best state of defense is a police state. Keep in mind we have no power on policy in the US as Canadians. Therefore the only way this would be democratic is if we get to elect who is president. Clearly this is not the case. Would you prefer the the EU defend us, they are 'democratic' as well aren't they or how about Russia? Of course not! So why is this ludicrous idea even being entertained?

Protection Not In Place For Electric WMD

BM'D' has no defense aginst an electromagnetic pulse that would shut down the nation's power grid and, along with it, communications, water supplies and even food transportation.

[WarHawk]

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No, a father knows best state of defense is a police state. Keep in mind we have no power on policy in the US as Canadians. Therefore the only way this would be democratic is if we get to elect who is president. Clearly this is not the case. Would you prefer the the EU defend us, they are 'democratic' as well aren't they or how about Russia? Of course not! So why is this ludicrous idea even being entertained?

What are you talking about? The USA != father knows best state.

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BM'D' has no defense aginst an electromagnetic pulse that would shut down the nation's power grid and, along with it, communications, water supplies and even food transportation.

Perhaps not currently, and definatly not if you don't give it a chance.

[Scape]

In the grand scheme of things we are as we do. We are a part of NORAD, NATO and the UN. What more is being asked of us in BM'D'? If we endorse BM'D' with our good name then what guarantee is there that we can simply walk away, or that it will not create a climate conducive to militarism? None of that has been spelled out and in fact the very idea that Canada will not submit has been responded by an attitude of 'how dare they' by both Rice and Cellucci.

The patronizing Father Knows Best superiority mentality itself is something we can either submit and surrender to, we can join it on our terms, or we can walk away. So far the attitude south of the 49th has been anything but conductive to an agreement. They are just shy of ordering us to sign on. That is hubris.

[WarHawk]

You still haven't explained how the USA = father knows best.

[Scape]

I just did.

[WarHawk]

Where?

[Scape]

The US has stated that they are going to protect us from the world with BM'D". Not to sign on means that they will fire missiles over our heads anyway so why not sign on?

This could be a reason or maybe the fact that it is the US that has isolated itself on the world stage and not the other way around by endorsing unilateral approach to dealing with issues rather than working with the global community as a whole. Why is it in Canada's national interests to hitch our wagon to an economic sinking ship and a political pariah?

[WarHawk]

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The US has stated that they are going to protect us from the world with BM'D". Not to sign on means that they will fire missiles over our heads anyway so why not sign on?

This could be a reason or maybe the fact that it is the US that has isolated itself on the world stage and not the other way around by endorsing unilateral approach to dealing with issues rather than working with the global community as a whole. Why is it in Canada's national interests to hitch our wagon to an economic sinking ship and a political pariah?

Well if there is a missile launched at them can you really blame them? They are going to protect themselves no matter what, and I think any other country would act the same in that situation.

[Scape]

We are not stopping them from doing that. We are being told that if WE don't sign on to THEIR plan then WE will not have the border open to beef and they will withhold billions in illegally collected tariffs. The list goes on and on with them.

This is a trade war and they are extending it into every aspect of sovereignty of our nation that matters. They will never stop until they are shown that Canada will not deal with them unless they learn to respect us, otherwise we are nothing but a dumping ground to them. It's like dealing with an untrained dog and I don't want Uncle Sam humping my leg thank you. So telling them this is not acceptable behavior is holding our ground and keeping our dignity and pride if that is too much to ask then it is high time we rethink all of our dealings with the US.

[Richard]

WarHawk look up Ohio class submarines and see if BMD as you percieve it makes sense