[Jabberwalker]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Thanos Thanos:

As I've never called for violence against the state or agitated for anyone's death I doubt that I'm in much danger of being sent to The Hague. I might not like certain groups of people very much but as I've also never called for any mass exterminations against them for the benefit of my own peace of mind so, once again, I'm safe there.

The only real threat against me is the one posed by terminal boredom, as indicated by the time I'm wasting taking part in a hyperbole-laden conversation of this sort.

Resolution 16/18 is being presented as suppressing speech that might provoke violence in the offended party (who are we kidding? They mean muslims). So if you say something in Canada that gets people in a lather in, for instance Egypt, then you could be deported to Belgium and, possibly, thence to Egypt to face prosecution.

Given your indifference I'll simply say that time will tell.

Hmmmm. Now where might we deport YOU to?

Ackron comes to mind.

[N_Fiddledog]

Thanos Thanos:

I find the mind that inspired Anders Brevik to kill 70 children to be as disgusting as anything Galloway is involved with.

Brevik referenced her with about a hundred others in his manifesto. It is not uncommon for crazy killers to reference everybody from Marx to Obama in their manifestos.

Wanna know who the current, no-doubt-about-it, not-even-close, inspiration for crazy killers leader is though?

It's the guy on the other side of the argument with Pamela. The guy L'il Ricky represents. Galloway also likes to represent him from time to time. Hint: 21,321 deadly terrorists attacks since 9\11. 1,028 just during Ramadan of this year so far.

OK, one more hint...



Still can't get it?

Try this one.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

[N_Fiddledog]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Thanos Thanos:

I find the mind that inspired Anders Brevik to kill 70 children to be as disgusting as anything Galloway is involved with.

Brevik referenced her with about a hundred others in his manifesto. It is not uncommon for crazy killers to reference everybody from Marx to Obama in their manifestos.

Wanna know who the current, no-doubt-about-it, not-even-close, inspiration for crazy killers leader is though?

It's the guy on the other side of the argument with Pamela. The guy L'il Ricky represents. Galloway also likes to represent him from time to time. Hint: 21,321 deadly terrorists attacks since 9\11. 1,028 dead just during Ramadan of this year so far.

OK, one more hint...



Still can't get it?

Try this one.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

[BeaverFever]

Maybe the cop was taking a cue from Harper and looking for an excuse to fire all the non-Christian prison chaplains.

I think hate-mongers have right to hate-monger to their followers behind closed doors, but the police and employers in general have a right to disassociate themselves from anyone who chooses to affiliate with those people.

So Orwellian naming convention aside, York regional appears to be in the right

[N_Fiddledog]

I'm confused. Who's the hate monger? The Jihadi, Sharia cop guy, you mean? L'il Ricky?

Or are you saying Pamela is the hater, because she's against the abuses of radical Islam and speaks against them. If you have evidence of her speaking against anything else produce it.

L'il Ricky the muslim cop is preventing freedom of speech. That's hate. As a Canadian I don't like those free speech stifling haters like L'il Ricky and who ever is in charge of the bogus organization that authorizes him thinking they're in control of something in my country. If it takes a woman to have the balls to fight for my Canadian free speech I don't care if she's American.

[BeaverFever]

Right, just like southerners who dress up in bed sheets and talk about how they're against the abuses of the Black community.

[N_Fiddledog]

Which? You mean the KKK? I don't get how they're supposed to connect, but they were Democrats (american lefties). Pamela's a Republican (the party that was formed to bring down slavery). I don't know what political party L'il Ricky is, but if he's been radicalized it won't matter. There's only Islam for those guys.

[BeaverFever]

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I don't get how they're supposed to connect

A bunch of Islamophobes getting together to discuss the supposed threat of Islamism is no more enlightened or benevolent than a bunch of Klansmen getting together to discuss the supposed threat of Black criminals.

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but they were Democrats (american lefties).

Good god man do you know nothing?! 50 years ago, everything was opposite from how it is now. Prior to the Civil Rights era, Democrats back then were just the party for rural America and low-income inner cities - farmers and factory workers - while the Republicans were the wealthy East-coast elitist party preferred by the Mayflower voter set. Once the Democrats embraced the Civil Rights movement and distanced themselves from religious leaders, the Southerners all switched to Republicans, who eventually moved in on the South strategically (read about Nixon's Republican "Southern Strategy" here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy).

Did you think it was some coincidence that the American south is both the Republican heartland and still the last bastion of American racial prejudice? Do you think the rednecks down south today flying the rebel flag with bumper stickers that say "I wish I'd picked my own cotton" are Democrats???

I think its the biggest fucking joke than any Republican today would try to gain credibility on racial issues by claiming that Lincoln was a Republican because the party today resembles very little of the party back then.

[Zipperfish]

Thanos Thanos:

Ezra's one moment of legitimate glory against the foulness of the HRC doesn't erase that he's an idiot the remaining 99% of the time.

Also, using Pam Geller as a source for anything = auto-fail.

Yeah, that's about it. It's an "assholes have rights too" argument. And they do. She should be allowed to speak wherever she likes without harassment.

I think the politicians and elitesa re more or less just taking the path of least resistance. The Muslims will flip out if offended. Then you have to worry more about terrorist attacks, or (their worst fear) that things will spin out of their control, like they might in England, France, Sweden or Holland. Christians and Jews, on the other hand will kick up a fuss but it generally doesn't lead to body counts.

[N_Fiddledog]

@ Beaver Feaver: The Southern strategy myth was the baby of Kevin Phillips.

The frighteningly left-biased posting you sent me to on Wikipedia refers to him as a "Nixon strategist". He was briefly, but he pushed the Southern Strategy more to the public after Nixon as a writer. The last I heard he was working lefty locales like the LA Times, and PBS.

But hey, if you can give me something so obviously biased left, I can give you the argument from the other side.

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At the center of the Southern Strategy myth is the idea that Republicans used the race card to seduce Democratic voters in the South into leaving their natural partisan home. The truth, as Trende convincingly demonstrates, is the opposite: the growth of GOP support among white Southerners was steady and mostly gradual from 1928 to 2010, and was a natural outgrowth of the fact that white Southerners were ideologically much more compatible with the national Republican agenda and coalition than with the national Democratic agenda and coalition. What retarded the Southern switch from the Democrats to the GOP was a combination of party loyalties dating back to Reconstruction and the Democrats’ use of racial issues. In other words, if you take race out of the picture, it’s likely that white Southerners would have switched parties earlier and in greater numbers. The real “Southern Strategy” was the one pursued by the Democrats, especially under FDR, to keep conservative white Southerners in a liberal party.

You can read shorter versions of Trende’s argument in columns by Trende, Jay Cost (who looks especially at the South’s divergence from the party of organized labor), and Gerard Alexander, as well as more background on the two parties’ civil rights records from Williamson. I will summarize.

Basically, Trende follows three lines of data. The first thing he does is look at voting patterns, not just bottom-line statewide Electoral College figures but the actual trends in the two-party popular presidential vote as well as downticket voting behavior by state, Congressional district and state gubernatorial and legislative elections. What he shows, on the one hand, is that the South was, from 1928 on, not as solidly Democratic as portrayed (and there were pockets of the South that had always been GOP-friendly, especially in Tennessee, Virginia and Texas). Some of that in the case of 1928 can be attributed to Southern Protestant resistance to voting for the Catholic Al Smith, but the fortunes of the GOP began to pick up significantly as conservative anti-union Southerners soured on the New Deal after 1936. And that accelerated under Eisenhower. Trende:

http://www.redstate.com/dan_mclaughlin/ ... -majority/

The Klu Klux Klan was a Democrat invention. Same with Jim Crow laws.

The first civil rights act was under Eisenhower (Republican). The civil rights anti-black baddies during the 60s such as George Wallace, and Bull Connor were Democrats.

Robert Byrd, The guy who holds the record for the longest filibuster ever, set it filibustering against the civil rights act Johnson signed in 1964. Robert Byrd was a Democrat, also a member of the Klu Klux Klan.

When that civil rights act was signed into law the votes from either party looked like this...


Democratic Party: (66–34%)
Republican Party: (82–18%)


But seeing as we can spread unestablished stories like the Southern Strategy myth, have you ever heard this quote from Johnson?

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“I’ll have them niggers voting Democratic for the next two hundred years.”

The story is he was speaking to two governors about his true motivations regarding his support of civil rights legislation, while aboard Air Force One. It's described in Ronald Kessler's book, Inside the White House.

BTW what's an Islamophobe? Is that like when we saw the blood all over that wack-a-doodle's hands from trying to saw the soldier's head off on the London street in the middle of the afternoon, and as he ranted about how he did it for Islam, some of us preferred it didn't happen to us?

And the supposed? threat of Islam? You're joking right?

[BeaverFever]

What did you say that's any different from what I said above? Let's piece this together shall we?

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

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The truth, as Trende convincingly demonstrates, is the opposite: the growth of GOP support among white Southerners was steady and mostly gradual from 1928 to 2010, and was a natural outgrowth of the fact that white Southerners were ideologically much more compatible with the national Republican agenda and coalition than with the national Democratic agenda and coalition. What retarded the Southern switch from the Democrats to the GOP was a combination of party loyalties dating back to Reconstruction and the Democrats’ use of racial issues. In other words, if you take race out of the picture, it’s likely that white Southerners would have switched parties earlier and in greater numbers. The real “Southern Strategy” was the one pursued by the Democrats, especially under FDR, to keep conservative white Southerners in a liberal party.

....The Klu Klux Klan was a Democrat invention. Same with Jim Crow laws.

...The civil rights anti-black baddies during the 60s such as George Wallace, and Bull Connor were Democrats.

Robert Byrd, The guy who holds the record for the longest filibuster ever, set it filibustering against the civil rights act Johnson signed in 1964. Robert Byrd was a Democrat, also a member of the Klu Klux Klan.

When that civil rights act was signed into law the votes from either party looked like this...


Democratic Party: (66–34%)
Republican Party: (82–18%)

In other words, what you post above confirms that White Southerners were predominantly more racist and mmore conservative than other parts of the country and the Democrats, through various racist policies, were able to capitalize upon this an hold on to Southern support until the Democrats decided not to be racist anymore. At that time, Southerners flocked en masse to the Republican party.

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BTW what's an Islamophobe? Is that like when we saw the blood all over that wack-a-doodle's hands from trying to saw the soldier's head off on the London street in the middle of the afternoon, and as he ranted about how he did it for Islam, some of us preferred it didn't happen to us?

An Islamophobe is someone who thinks this behaivour is typcial of all Muslims and wants to persecute the entire population for the sins of their radical fringe. If some militant lesbian feminist were to go around the country preaching to other feminists about the male rapist threat, and how society needs to control the "male problem" I'm sure you would object.

[DrCaleb]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

An Islamophobe is someone who thinks this behaivour is typcial of all Muslims and wants to persecute the entire population for the sins of their radical fringe. If some militant lesbian feminist were to go around the country preaching to other feminists about the male rapist threat, and how society needs to control the "male problem" I'm sure you would object.

And yet, a Muslim is deciding for you what is moral and proper, and what free speech is acceptable - but no one will call him on it because it might offend someone else?

[BeaverFever]

1) "A Muslim is..." are you suggesting that it would be ok were it a person of some other faith? And how do we know this is his own agenda, and not simply the instructions of his superiors?

2)"...deciding for you" Is he? How did he decide anything for me? Or anyone else? The Rabbi was not told he could not host the speaker.

As I understand it, the Rabbi works for York Regional Police, an official for York Regional Police said they don't want to be associated with a controversial speaker the Rabbi is hosting as it reflects on them, and said if he did host this controversial figure, they may have to distance themselves.

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The force chaplaincy, to which Rabbi Kaplan belongs, falls under the police bureau of diversity, equity and inclusion, which aims to promote diversity and cultural education in York Region. There are eight chaplains who represent the area’s five largest faith groups.

"If he had not cancelled the event – and again, that was his decision – then we would have had to re-evaluate his relationship with York Regional Police because it would be clearly be in contravention of the values of our organization,” said Insp. Veerappan.

“Our concern is that Rabbi Kaplan is also a representative of the police, he wears a police uniform, and some of the comments that have been attributed to Ms. Geller really posed a conflict situation for us at York Regional Police.”

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/05/02 ... cancelled/

[desertdude]

How much longer before Bob Spencer also starts becoming a "news source" over here.

[DrCaleb]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

1) "A Muslim is..." are you suggesting that it would be ok were it a person of some other faith? And how do we know this is his own agenda, and not simply the instructions of his superiors?

As I stated earlier, I'm not OK for anyone deciding these things for me. That he is Muslim is no reason to not point that out.

As well, as stated earlier, show me where any police force in Canada is mandated to decide what is acceptable company for a citizen to keep, or acceptable speech for a citizen to utter.

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

2)"...deciding for you" Is he? How did he decide anything for me? Or anyone else? The Rabbi was not told he could not host the speaker.

See earlier comments. Where do they have a mandate as to who the Rabbi hosts to speak at a synagogue?

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

As I understand it, the Rabbi works for York Regional Police, an official for York Regional Police said they don't want to be associated with a controversial speaker the Rabbi is hosting as it reflects on them, and said if he did host this controversial figure, they may have to distance themselves.

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The force chaplaincy, to which Rabbi Kaplan belongs, falls under the police bureau of diversity, equity and inclusion, which aims to promote diversity and cultural education in York Region. There are eight chaplains who represent the area’s five largest faith groups.

"If he had not cancelled the event – and again, that was his decision – then we would have had to re-evaluate his relationship with York Regional Police because it would be clearly be in contravention of the values of our organization,” said Insp. Veerappan.

“Our concern is that Rabbi Kaplan is also a representative of the police, he wears a police uniform, and some of the comments that have been attributed to Ms. Geller really posed a conflict situation for us at York Regional Police.”

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/05/02 ... cancelled/

Again, Police investigate crime and keep the peace. That is their charter. What part of the police charter lets them decide what company he keeps?