[N_Fiddledog]

jeff744 jeff744:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

OK Jeff, so that's the second time you've complained about Levant being referred to as an "intrepid freedom fighter". I'm not sure what you object to there. Are you saying he did not, for instance, battle the human rights council fearlessly over an issue of freedom of speach?

Hang on. There's a video I have to look for. I want to show it to you.

1) He writes for Sun Media, the worst possible source for reliable information in Canada.
2) He has been investigated for hate speech in the past when he went on a tangent about gypsies all being thieves.
3) He is for Quebec separatism and anti-Aboriginal
4) http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/st ... 80807.html He jumped straight to eco-terrorism, taking the few released details to push his own agenda. He proceeded to report it as though he had closed the case when investigators still had no clue.

He is far from some freedom fighter, he is the right wing equivalent of Greenpeace.

I understand. So you would like to support your opinion with more opinion. I won't cause a diversion from the main thread topic by arguing against your opinions on Ezra Levant. I'll admit you have them.

I'll try another tact. I'll say I do not find fact in your conclusions from events there, and it is not unreasonable to refer to the guy in the video below as an "intrepid freedom fighter" as Pamela Geller did.



And Thanos I disagree. It is not his one minute. It was his introduction. If not for Ezra Progs would be building a statue to Theressa Spence on parliament hill right now. We'd still think those Occupy guys were heroes. We wouldn't know about those professional protesters Jeff is so fond of. Ezra tells us the stuff the mainstream won't. Some don't like that. Tough.

[BartSimpson]

$1:

Canada is now a land where cops are sent round to synagogues to threaten rabbis

Sad to say that this is clearly true. Can't have anyone saying things the government disapproves of, eh?

[N_Fiddledog]

But damn, that Ezra post above opened the second page. I didn't want that.

This thread isn't about Ezra Levant.

This thread is about a Muslim police officer intimidating a Jewish Rabbi into deciding what sort of speech he allows in his temple in York Ontario. Thanks Bart. The actual thread is about a move underway by Pamela Geller and others to see Officer Ricky and the York government officials who empower him answer some questions about that.

[Thanos]

It's always nice when outsiders like Pam Geller or George Galloway take such an interest in how Canada maintains order inside our own borders. Their using free speech in the most disruptive and troublemaking manner possible in their own home countries does not automatically obligate Canada to give them a platform here. The sooner these stupid and obnoxious foreigners figure this out, the better.

[martin14]

Thanos Thanos:

It's always nice when outsiders like Pam Geller or George Galloway take such an interest in how Canada maintains order inside our own borders. Their using free speech in the most disruptive and troublemaking manner possible in their own home countries does not automatically obligate Canada to give them a platform here. The sooner these stupid and obnoxious foreigners figure this out, the better.

Didn't know Geller openly supported groups on the terrorist list like Galloway did.

[Thanos]

Just because she's cunning enough not to (openly) endorse violence doesn't make Geller any less of a hatemonger than Galloway is.

[BartSimpson]

Thanos Thanos:

It's always nice when outsiders like Pam Geller or George Galloway take such an interest in how Canada maintains order inside our own borders. Their using free speech in the most disruptive and troublemaking manner possible in their own home countries does not automatically obligate Canada to give them a platform here. The sooner these stupid and obnoxious foreigners figure this out, the better.

Just to remind you, my original motivation for being on this site was your government and your Liberal Party getting directly involved in the 2000 and 2004 US elections.

I figure if Canadians see fit to come down here and volunteer to walk precincts for Democrats and to use clever means to get around our campaign finance laws in order to support Obama & etc. then you'll just have to deal with the fact that we're going to get involved in YOUR politics. We'll run websites that totally violate your laws, we'll write things that violate your court orders and etc. and we'll donate to Conservatives using the same kinds of legal tactics your Liberal Party pioneered for us.

It's a two way street.

[N_Fiddledog]

How would your brain have to work, or not work to find some sort of equivalency between Pamela Geller and George Galloway?

I'm as Canadian as you are Thanos and what I don't like is some radical foreign ideology like Sharia being used to tell my fellow Canadians such as the Canadian Rabbi when they can or can't invite speakers to come to our country to talk, and what they can talk about. BTW speaking of foreigners (and Thanos brought it up) is L'il Ricky, the Muslim cop, first or second Generation? Just curious.

[Jabberwalker]

I figure if Canadians see fit to come down here and volunteer to walk precincts for Democrats and to use clever means to get around our campaign finance laws in order to support Obama & etc. then you'll just have to deal with the fact that we're going to get involved in YOUR politics.


[PSST! Obama was actually born in Saskatoon!]

[bootlegga]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

I post this because it's Canada news you probably won't be hearing from the mainstream, but might find interesting. It's blog-talk from Pamela Geller's blog concerning repercussions from an incident involving a recent speech engagement she had cancelled in York Ontario due to pressure tactics from a guy us blog fans have come to call L'il Ricky of the York Police. There's lots of interesting little sidebar tidbits.

$1:

When a policeman uses the full force of the state to enforce the Shariah at the cost of our constitutionally protected inalienable rights, the West is in trouble. But that’s what happened last May in Canada, when I was scheduled to speak at the Chabad Flamingo Synagogue in Thornhill, right outside of Toronto’s city limits. Two of York Regional Police’s “finest,” Chief Eric Jolliffe and Inspector Ricky Veerappan of the force’s Diversity, Equity and Inclusion Bureau, threatened Chabad Rabbi Mendel Kaplan into canceling my speech.

Other Canadians wouldn’t stand for this, and my speech went on as scheduled in another venue. And now I have even more good news. The intrepid Canadian freedom fighter Ezra Levant was determined not to let this police intimidation stand. He encouraged me to file a complaint, and now our complaint against Inspector Veerappan has been accepted for investigation. Our complaint against Chief Joliffe has been forwarded to the York Regional Police Services Board for further consideration – since he is chief of police, there are extra procedures to go through.

Veerappan richly deserves to be investigated for his persuasion of Rabbi Kaplan, who serves as a chaplain for the York Regional Police. Back in May, he announced that if Kaplan hosted my speech as planned, “then we’d have to reassess our relation with (Kaplan). Some of the stuff that Ms. Geller speaks about runs contrary to the values of York Regional Police and the work we do in engaging our communities.”

Values? The “stuff” that I speak about includes gender apartheid, creed apartheid, Islamic Jew-hatred and honor killing. That runs contrary to their values? What exactly are their values? Imposing Shariah? Because that’s exactly what they’re doing. My value is life. What’s theirs?

The Ottawa Citizen said in an editorial, “The York Regional Police department should be ashamed. … Whether the job threat was real, and whether anyone agrees or not with Geller’s views, Veerappan’s conduct is appalling. Canadians expect police to respect Charter provisions protecting freedom of speech. They are not supposed to act as censors at the behest of a particular community.”

And the incomparable Mark Steyn wrote: “Thanks to the York Regional Police’s creepy and Orwellian ‘Diversity, Equity and Inclusion Bureau,’ Canada is now a land where cops are sent round to synagogues to threaten rabbis – all in the name of ‘diversity’ and ‘inclusion,’ which must give the old-school fascists a laugh at their Monday-night poker game in hell. Jewish organizations north and south of the border ought to be up in arms about this. According to Brian Sibley, Inspector Ricky Veerappen, the head of the Diversity, Equity and Inclusion Bureau, is himself Muslim – which may or may not explain why he’s strutting about like the Ontario branch of Saudi Arabia’s Mutaween.”

Steyn also pointed out the double standard: “Pamela Geller, tireless campaigner against Islamic imperialism (and a lady I had the honor of being introduced by at CPAC a few years back), was scheduled to give a speech at a Toronto synagogue on May 13. Miss Geller is not a convicted terrorist or terrorism-supporter or someone who argues for the execution of all homosexuals. If she were, she could speak at any Canadian venue with impunity.”

It’s true: The superb Canadian blog, Blazing Cat Fur, reported at the time that my talk was canceled that “Imam Abdul Hai Patel, is a chaplain with the York Regional Police. Patel, along with other members of the Canadian Council of Imams in 2012, attended a conference in Saudi Arabia sponsored by the Muslim World League. The Muslim World League, as detailed below, has a long and sordid association with terrorists. Do note well that the Muslim World League operates WAMY – the World Assembly of Muslim Youth. WAMY was stripped of status as a Canadian charity last year after it was discovered to have funded terrorists.”

And the convicted terrorist and airline hijacker Leila Khaled, who is known as the “poster girl of Palestinian militancy,” spoke via Skype in early June at the University of British Columbia. Khaled has been convicted of terrorism for participating in airline hijackings for the Palestinian Front for the Liberation of Palestine, a terrorist group. She spoke at a conference hosted by a group supporting the Palestinian jihad.
This outrageous double standard has to end. It is good that Veerappan is going to be investigated. Free people must not stand idly by while our most basic, fundamental freedoms are silently seized and destroyed.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atla ... anada.html

#1 - It's not news, it's a blog.

#2 - Fail

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

When a policeman uses the full force of the state to enforce the Shariah at the cost of our constitutionally protected inalienable rights, the West is in trouble.

#3 - Super fail

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Imposing Shariah? Because that’s exactly what they’re doing.

#4 - Mega fail

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

The intrepid Canadian freedom fighter Ezra Levant...

#5 - Pamela Geller should have no more influence on policies in Canada than Michael Moore, Anne Coulter or any other left wing/right wing busy body that's not also a Canadian citizen.

[BartSimpson]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

nothing of any consequence.

[Thanos]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

How would your brain have to work, or not work to find some sort of equivalency between Pamela Geller and George Galloway?

I find the mind that inspired Anders Brevik to kill 70 children to be as disgusting as anything Galloway is involved with.

$1:

I'm as Canadian as you are Thanos and what I don't like is some radical foreign ideology like Sharia being used to tell my fellow Canadians such as the Canadian Rabbi when they can or can't invite speakers to come to our country to talk, and what they can talk about. BTW speaking of foreigners (and Thanos brought it up) is L'il Ricky, the Muslim cop, first or second Generation? Just curious.

That's the spin put on it be Geller and Levant, which probably means the truth is 100% in the opposite direction.

Our government agencies have the responsibility to keep garbage out of our country, and, yes, I'd certainly like them to do a much better job of weeding the Muslim type of scum out as well. But I want Geller and Galloway no more in my country today than I would a pro-Nazi provocateur being allowed to speak in Canada back in 1939.

In the age of Skype and video conferencing freedom of speech really can't be supressed by the government anyway. Levant and Geller could just as easily arrange a video conference call that all their fans could watch over the internet. But it wouldn't be as much publicity-rich fun as trying to bring her over the border instead to capitalize on the media coverage that the protestors against her would inevitably attract.

[BartSimpson]

Thanos Thanos:

In the age of Skype and video conferencing freedom of speech really can't be supressed by the (Canadian) government anyway.

Yet your government supports UN Resolution 16/18 which would limit free speech in Canada and elsewhere via the auspices of the UN - international law trumping the Charter according to a dangerous number of your jurists. Ostensibly, you could be turned over to the ICC for prosecution for saying things that are protected speech per the Charter but illegal under Resolution 16/18.

Given that your government has no qualms about sending Canadians abroad to be prosecuted for doing things that are perfectly legal in Canada I'd say you shouldn't be so quick to just assume that your rights will remain sacred.

It has also been considered in the USA that Americans who say things that are protected speech under our laws could be prosecuted for Resolution 16/18 violations if they set foot in a country like Canada that is anticipated to eagerly enforce the measure.

Hopefully your government won't enforce this but where they support it they probably will. And if they do then you could end up with a free trip to Belgium out of the deal.

[Thanos]

As I've never called for violence against the state or agitated for anyone's death I doubt that I'm in much danger of being sent to The Hague. I might not like certain groups of people very much but as I've also never called for any mass exterminations against them for the benefit of my own peace of mind so, once again, I'm safe there.

The only real threat against me is the one posed by terminal boredom, as indicated by the time I'm wasting taking part in a hyperbole-laden conversation of this sort.

[BartSimpson]

Thanos Thanos:

As I've never called for violence against the state or agitated for anyone's death I doubt that I'm in much danger of being sent to The Hague. I might not like certain groups of people very much but as I've also never called for any mass exterminations against them for the benefit of my own peace of mind so, once again, I'm safe there.

The only real threat against me is the one posed by terminal boredom, as indicated by the time I'm wasting taking part in a hyperbole-laden conversation of this sort.

Resolution 16/18 is being presented as suppressing speech that might provoke violence in the offended party (who are we kidding? They mean muslims). So if you say something in Canada that gets people in a lather in, for instance Egypt, then you could be deported to Belgium and, possibly, thence to Egypt to face prosecution.

Given your indifference I'll simply say that time will tell.