[ManifestDestiny]

Ruxpercnd Ruxpercnd:

NYCisHome - I don't like to argue on this level with a fellow American, as I consider myself outrageousley loyal and patriotic. However, I am becoming a little disturbed with election irregularities here. I am just incredulous that election fraud is increasing in America. In Washington State, the Democrats were mailing in absentee ballots for dead people.

Anyway your link to IS CANADA A FREE NATION? By John Orth is very interesting.

But don't you think that we could create a similar list for America? Be honest now.

Truth is while our systems are a little different Canada and America have paralleled each other in many ways.

I know 50 cal. rifles are legal here, but why does anyone need a 50 cal. ? Hey, I would like to have an array of rocket launchers on top of my car. How about 105 mm howetzer in the front yard to keep the neighbors in line. So we allow 50 cal. and Canadians don't, so what?

Good post. Understand Iagree withh almsot 98% of what you hav esaid.So wont get into that. I post more for the reasons of Canadian and americans who think Canada is this great free land. Where AMerica has be come an evil diCtatorship.ITS NOT TRUE!

[Johnnybgoodaaaaa]

Lets not forget some of the things that Republicans were a part of. The democracts aren't the only ones who probably do that stuff, they are all politicians. One of the things which was not suppose to be done was the churches becoming involved in the vote, but that is what happened in this elections, the Churches were able to get people to vote and there were some reports, from what I saw at least, that they endorsed certain people. While all religious people have a right to vote, I don't think Churches should be involved in the process. Individuals, yes, but Churches no. This is one of the strongest reasons for the seperation of church and state. We let them be tax free, they stay out of politics(they meaning they church as a whole, not the individuals).

Lets not forget about those pamphlets which were sent around to churches telling them that Kerry or the democrats wanted to ban the bible....

[xerxes]

It used to be that way in Canada for a time as well. Back in the 60's and 70's there was party here in BC called Social Credit which was based on an Albertan party of the same name which was founded by a minister and which was very religious in public.

Anyways...A friend of mine's dad was at a church one time and the pastor talked about how everyone there should vote Social Credit.

[RoyalHighlander]

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Anyways...A friend of mine's dad was at a church one time and the pastor talked about how everyone there should vote Social Credit

Something there sounds wrong to me.. Mixing politics and religion not a good idea I allway thought, no?

[Johnnybgoodaaaaa]

RoyalHighlander RoyalHighlander:

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Anyways...A friend of mine's dad was at a church one time and the pastor talked about how everyone there should vote Social Credit

Something there sounds wrong to me.. Mixing politics and religion not a good idea I allway thought, no?

It isn't, but with republicans it seems more acceptable because the Churches probably help them get more votes than Democrats. One of the main issues in polls that people said they were voting on was Moral values....what group of people is most likely to live by moral values?

[DrDoLittle]

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One of the things which was not suppose to be done was the churches becoming involved in the vote

That's an absurd statement. There are any number of organizations that try to influence voters. Political Action Committees, sponsorship of TV and raidio commercials, etc. Geroge Soros is well known for creating organizations (e.g. moveon.org) that have no other purpose but to influence how people will vote. Aside from being religious, they are non-profit, social institutions that have the same right to be heard. There is nothing unfair, unconstitutional, or otherwise illegal about it. Furthermore, it has nothing to do with separation of church and state. That phrase refers to the Constitutial ammendment which prohibts the state from sponsoring religion.

In the end, people make up their own minds how they will vote.

[xerxes]

If a church starts endorsing candidates that's when it steps over the line. Churches are tax-exempt becuase they are non-partisan organizations. PAC's and 527's and so on are not religious organizations and that's very obvious. But when a church says you should vote for such and such a candiate then trouble starts. Because if a church ensdorses a person how can you oppose him/her? If you do, it looks as though you're against the church. I realize that may sound a bit absurd, but I have met people who think like that.

[Ruxpercnd]

We are talking about freedom here and I want more freedom!

For America:

- Get rid of the Electoral College that offsets a popular vote and creates a GW Bush winner take all attitude.

- Create an national referendum process for more direct citizen input. In Washington, we can create our own laws which is good, because we have an ineffective legislature. Any important issues in Washington are put to the voters directly. Why not for Federal issues.

- If we can send men to the moon, then we can create solid election processes. - get rid of election fraud.

[DrDoLittle]

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Because if a church ensdorses a person how can you oppose him/her? If you do, it looks as though you're against the church. I realize that may sound a bit absurd, but I have met people who think like that.

People don't vote for someone just because they heard it in church. When you go to vote, it is in private. There is noone looking over your shoulder saying. No, no, no, that's not how we told you to vote.

Besides there are plenty of organizations, which don't call themselves "churches," who espouse political viewpoints (e.g. labor unions). If you want to censor preachers, then I think you'd have to censor everyone. I'm in a favor of free speech. Let them say what they want. Maybe they will cause me to think of something I hadn't already considered. Or, maybe not. It doesn't hurt to listen to different viewpoints.

[PJB]

I don't think Canada has any more freedoms that the United States. It is merely a matter of perception of these freedoms. I honestly think that most Americans and Canadians are very peaceful people. We both enjoy having the right to free speech and freedom of the press. We enjoy being able to travel freely in our own countries and in each others. We both have very similar ideas in the way we raise our kids and both believe in a democratic process for electing all of our representatives.

We are more similar in our freedoms that some people care to acknowledge and that is what makes basically all of North America very different from other parts of the world.

Like married couples we have our disagreements but, so far, these disagreements have not left any permanent scars or led to divorce.

Hopefully it can stay that way.

[EXOTiCASS]

I believe that people here need to be a little more open minded. Some people are seriously missing the point of the thread. The person who should be most open minded is the person who started this topic. I think the purpose of this thread was just to downpour how Canada sucks compared to the US. So NYC, if the only purpose was to start shit and not be open minded about things while trying to defend your own statements how Canada sucks, I advise you rethink starting threads such as these. People are just writing their opinions, maybe some are stating sources, some aren't, but HEY you were the one asking why people thought Canada was more free. Another thing is, if you believe that people who are just commenting their opinions are wrong, no need to defend the US, theyre just saying what they want, HARMLESSLY. You really should take that into consideration and not just argue back so quickly. You started a whole 'text' fight and its pretty ridiculous. Let people say what they want, because you wanted to know. This isn't to hate on you or anything, I could say a lot to hate on you right now, but I myself am trying to keep it civil for once.

I really don't care about the topic of this thread, but how people are just treating each other like shit in this forum, or badmouthing the other country. If you really have pride in your country...don't make an impression that its a country of assholes.

I bet you guys all have great comments and opinions, but its not worth it when it becomes a battle, because truly...in the end no one really cares what each other has to say except for their own selfish opinions. So use your comments as more like an 'educational' purpose not one to downgrade others.

[Defector01]

I immigrated to Canada about 5 years ago from the U.S. ..for many reasons. Reasons that if shared in this context might offend most Americans. So I will keep it simple and limit my opinion, after serving 10 years in the US Military, traveling around the globe on mission after mission and seeing first hand what it's like to be somewhere other than the US...I will never go back!! The old saying goes "love it or leave it" so I left it. There are a LOT better countries in the world than the U.S.A. and Canada is one of them! I hear Canadians complain about health care and politics...two subjects that defy logic in the U.S. My Mother just passed away St. Patrick's Day because of a health care system that is more worried about making a buck than treating those in need. I can go anywhere in Canada and not be denied care...can't say that about the U.S...My Dad served three terms in Vietnam and has waited 25+ years to have his knee replaced by the Veterans hospital and ended up paying out of pocket 24k to have it done privately, when his own country who vowed to "take care of him" wouldn't.

I'll stop my ranting but name some things that I have seen some Canadians take for granted...uncensored media, health care, understood diversity, a non-violent society, support from other countries base on who we are and not because they're bullied to do so, TRUE freedom of speech, TRUE understanding on what it means to have the "right to bear arms".

Lastly, some Americans have said Canada lives the way we do because Canada has "big brother" looking after them to the south. BULL!! Canadians lives the way they do because they don't have to look over their shoulder waiting for the rest of the world to sneak up on them, they shake hands and smile at the world and offer something to everyone.

Canadians live in freedom because they are part of the world not because they forced their view points on politics and religion in the face of the everyone but because Canada doesn't have to to show that it is a great and proud nation....The rest of the world knows it.

Sorry if this offends, it's just an opinion...in a matters of months I will PROUDLY raise my hand and take the oath of citizenship...why? CANADA KICKS ASS!!

[Mercedes]

Johnnybgoodaaaaa Johnnybgoodaaaaa:

Lets not forget some of the things that Republicans were a part of. The democracts aren't the only ones who probably do that stuff, they are all politicians. One of the things which was not suppose to be done was the churches becoming involved in the vote, but that is what happened in this elections, the Churches were able to get people to vote and there were some reports, from what I saw at least, that they endorsed certain people. While all religious people have a right to vote, I don't think Churches should be involved in the process. Individuals, yes, but Churches no. This is one of the strongest reasons for the seperation of church and state. We let them be tax free, they stay out of politics(they meaning they church as a whole, not the individuals).

Lets not forget about those pamphlets which were sent around to churches telling them that Kerry or the democrats wanted to ban the bible....

[ManifestDestiny]

EXOTiCASS EXOTiCASS:

I believe that people here need to be a little more open minded. Some people are seriously missing the point of the thread. The person who should be most open minded is the person who started this topic. I think the purpose of this thread was just to downpour how Canada sucks compared to the US. So NYC, if the only purpose was to start shit and not be open minded about things while trying to defend your own statements how Canada sucks, I advise you rethink starting threads such as these. People are just writing their opinions, maybe some are stating sources, some aren't, but HEY you were the one asking why people thought Canada was more free. Another thing is, if you believe that people who are just commenting their opinions are wrong, no need to defend the US, theyre just saying what they want, HARMLESSLY. You really should take that into consideration and not just argue back so quickly. You started a whole 'text' fight and its pretty ridiculous. Let people say what they want, because you wanted to know. This isn't to hate on you or anything, I could say a lot to hate on you right now, but I myself am trying to keep it civil for once.

I really don't care about the topic of this thread, but how people are just treating each other like shit in this forum, or badmouthing the other country. If you really have pride in your country...don't make an impression that its a country of assholes.

I bet you guys all have great comments and opinions, but its not worth it when it becomes a battle, because truly...in the end no one really cares what each other has to say except for their own selfish opinions. So use your comments as more like an 'educational' purpose not one to downgrade others.

I am going to respond quikly. I never once said Canada sucks. Through out this whole site people always say Canada has more freedoms then the USA. Simply want facts on how (which I have yet to see)

[ManifestDestiny]

Defector01 Defector01:

I immigrated to Canada about 5 years ago from the U.S. ..for many reasons. Reasons that if shared in this context might offend most Americans. So I will keep it simple and limit my opinion, after serving 10 years in the US Military, traveling around the globe on mission after mission and seeing first hand what it's like to be somewhere other than the US...I will never go back!! The old saying goes "love it or leave it" so I left it. There are a LOT better countries in the world than the U.S.A. and Canada is one of them! I hear Canadians complain about health care and politics...two subjects that defy logic in the U.S. My Mother just passed away St. Patrick's Day because of a health care system that is more worried about making a buck than treating those in need. I can go anywhere in Canada and not be denied care...can't say that about the U.S...My Dad served three terms in Vietnam and has waited 25+ years to have his knee replaced by the Veterans hospital and ended up paying out of pocket 24k to have it done privately, when his own country who vowed to "take care of him" wouldn't.

I'll stop my ranting but name some things that I have seen some Canadians take for granted...uncensored media, health care, understood diversity, a non-violent society, support from other countries base on who we are and not because they're bullied to do so, TRUE freedom of speech, TRUE understanding on what it means to have the "right to bear arms".

Lastly, some Americans have said Canada lives the way we do because Canada has "big brother" looking after them to the south. BULL!! Canadians lives the way they do because they don't have to look over their shoulder waiting for the rest of the world to sneak up on them, they shake hands and smile at the world and offer something to everyone.

Canadians live in freedom because they are part of the world not because they forced their view points on politics and religion in the face of the everyone but because Canada doesn't have to to show that it is a great and proud nation....The rest of the world knows it.

Sorry if this offends, it's just an opinion...in a matters of months I will PROUDLY raise my hand and take the oath of citizenship...why? CANADA KICKS ASS!!

I am sorry to hear about your mother. Why does no one in your family not have health insurance? I find that kind of strange. And your Father served 2 terms of duty in Vietnam? I thought it was TOURS of duty? I am suprised you are a military man and dont know this?

As far as Uncensored media. For Canadian Radio and TV stations to be granted license to broadcast, they are REQUIRED to play a certain percentage (defined as "in no case less than predominant use") of content produced by Canadians. This essentially amounts to censorship of international media in order for Canadians to advance their nonexistent cultural identity. It isn't so much advancement of Canadian culture so much as it is avoidance of media from everywhere else. Also, part of Canadians' tax money goes towards running the media. Hmmm.. State-run media that highlights how great Canada is. Sounds a little like a Soviet era Pravda style propaganda machine to me. But dont ake my word for it. .http://www.crtc.gc.ca/

I dont want to ramble but the Healthcare in Canada is not what its cracked up to be. Its your right to Leave the USA if you dont like it. But in my opinion your stories sound a little far feched.