[hoplopphobia]

We live in two conpletely different countries. Which one is more free??

That is my question.

[Canadian_Mind]

hoplopphobia hoplopphobia:

We live in two conpletely different countries. Which one is more free??

That is my question.

Canuckistan. Up here we don't have uber-God-loving Maniacs trying to rule the world, nor do we have them trying to take away our rights; the abortion issue/ gay marriage for example. hell, if the right wingers had their way, I'd be having sex after I was married, not before.

[Constantinople]

hoplopphobia hoplopphobia:

We live in two conpletely different countries. Which one is more free??

That is my question.

"Free yourself, like a gazelle from the hand of the hunter, like a bird from the snare of the fowler."

~Proverbs 6:5

[Tory_canuck]

It is hard to tell cause both countries have their pros and cons.The US has less freedom due to the patriot act, but Canada is also the same due to same sex marriage trumping on religious freedoms, the gun reistry, and now the Libranos want to randomly tap the phone/internet lines of average Canadians.Our political system in Canada needs reforming which would include the need to implement a Triple E senate.Both countries have a bicameral political system which means there is separation of powers, but the US has, Executive President), Legislative (Congress, and House of Reps, and Senate), and judiciary.The Us elects their senate, Canada doesn't.Canada has Legislative/Executive intertwine (PM sits in the House of Commons as an MP, and theSenate), and the judiciary.Both systems are supposed to have their checks and Balances.The congressional system used by the US requires a majority of votes from the House of Reps, Congress, and the senate to impeach a president.Canada's parliamentary system only needs to have a vote of non-confidence to bring down a corrupt/incompetent gov't.Both systems have their advantages and disadvantages.This is an educated opinion based on what I learned in Social 30.

[bossdog]

Tory_canuck Tory_canuck:

It is hard to tell cause both countries have their pros and cons.

I couldn't agree with this statement more. Having lived in both countries for some time (Canada born and raised, US - total 18 months), I would have to say that there are benefits of both.

Personal beefs that I have with Canada is how we are raped on our taxation. In the US (depending on the state), I don't pay taxes on clothes, a case of Blue is only $11.50, a 60 of Canadian Whisky is $14.50, gas is still cheaper. Even income tax is lower.

However, I wouldn't want to get sick or have to go to the hosptial. My neighbour had to go to the emergency room a while back and was billed $500 just for the visit.

I can purchase a hunting rifle or shotgun without any questions or paperwork in the US. In Canada, I would be better off just buying a bow and going about my business.

I hate the amount of toll highways in the US. Even in the sticks.

I could go on and on about the pros and cons of both. Mind you, I'm living in a relativaly small town. The general opinion I get down here of Canada is that we're the nice neighbours and we aren't even really considered a different country. PLEASE keep in mind that these are my own personal opinions and I am not stating these items as "fact" on either side of the border. I know how some you folks can get.

[The Hoser]

Tory_canuck Tory_canuck:

The US has less freedom due to the patriot act, but Canada is also the same due to same sex marriage trumping on religious freedom

Acording to parts of the bible, gay people should all be burned alive - but it's not considered 'trumping religious freedom' when that isn't done, so why is it so to allow Gays to marry in a secular nation?

$1:

Personal beefs that I have with Canada is how we are raped on our taxation. In the US (depending on the state), I don't pay taxes on clothes, a case of Blue is only $11.50, a 60 of Canadian Whisky is $14.50, gas is still cheaper. Even income tax is lower.

I'm not very good in math, but, according to my latest calculations, Canada has considerably lower population density - that means less people to pay for servicing a larger area. We're pretty lucky we don't get taxed considerably more. It's irellevent anyway - it has little to do with freedoms and more too do with foriegn ownership.

Also, that case of Blue and Canadian Whisky is likely brewed in an American brewery - most 'import' alchohol is these days. They probably use a more cost-effective method of brewing.

[BartSimpson]

hoplopphobia hoplopphobia:

We live in two conpletely different countries. Which one is more free??

That is my question.

Neither. Both countries have forms of government-induced bondage of one sort or another.

And since there are no degrees of freedom or liberty (either you are free or you are not) then neither country is truly free.

[BartSimpson]

The Hoser The Hoser:

Acording to parts of the bible, gay people should all be burned alive

Christians have progressed since then. We do not want them burned alive because we're trying to save energy and, besides, why go to the bother when they're perfectly willing to go out and voluntarily expose themselves to syphillis, AIDS, gonorrhea, hepatitis and etc. without any input from us whatsoever.

Seriously, we oppose that lifestyle because it is so destructive. It is because we'd really rather see them live that we oppose their lifestyle. We also oppose the lifestyle of heroin addicts and for the same reasons.

While I will reserve comment on the spiritual aspects of lesbianism, I will note for the purposes of discussion that lesbians have a lower rate of exposure to STDs than any other demographic group.

[Constantinople]

The Hoser The Hoser:

Tory_canuck Tory_canuck:

The US has less freedom due to the patriot act, but Canada is also the same due to same sex marriage trumping on religious freedom

Acording to parts of the bible, gay people should all be burned alive - but it's not considered 'trumping religious freedom' when that isn't done, so why is it so to allow Gays to marry in a secular nation?

$1:

Personal beefs that I have with Canada is how we are raped on our taxation. In the US (depending on the state), I don't pay taxes on clothes, a case of Blue is only $11.50, a 60 of Canadian Whisky is $14.50, gas is still cheaper. Even income tax is lower.

I'm not very good in math, but, according to my latest calculations, Canada has considerably lower population density - that means less people to pay for servicing a larger area. We're pretty lucky we don't get taxed considerably more. It's irellevent anyway - it has little to do with freedoms and more too do with foriegn ownership.

Also, that case of Blue and Canadian Whisky is likely brewed in an American brewery - most 'import' alchohol is these days. They probably use a more cost-effective method of brewing.

At least you two came up with the most important issues that make up the freedoms in our two countries.

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[bossdog]

I read an article on NealeNews.com a while back (couldn't find it in the archives) that said Canada was second only to Communist China when it came to being taxed. Sure, large land mass, low population - I can understand that. But how much of that land mass is maintained on a regular basis (trans Canada aside). We maintain what we poplutate. I lived in the NWT for 2 years and saw little federal funding for anything, and yes, I got involved up there.

We maintain what we populate.

[BartSimpson]

bossdog bossdog:

I read an article on NealeNews.com a while back (couldn't find it in the archives) that said Canada was second only to Communist China when it came to being taxed. Sure, large land mass, low population - I can understand that. But how much of that land mass is maintained on a regular basis (trans Canada aside). We maintain what we poplutate. I lived in the NWT for 2 years and saw little federal funding for anything, and yes, I got involved up there.

We maintain what we populate.

To be fair, even if Canada has a higher tax rate than China you are far more free than anyone in China. You can leave if you want to and there's no one who will kill you and your family if you dare to speak out against the regime that runs the country.

[bossdog]

I agree with you 120%. I was just pointing out that the taxes we pay are extremely high compared to other parts of the world. We're 2nd to China, not higher than. I was not trying to establish a realationship between high taxes and communism.

[Thematic-Device]

Canada is more protective of group liberties, by contrast the US is more protective of individual liberties.

[Jaime_Souviens]

Thematic-Device Thematic-Device:

Canada is more protective of group liberties, by contrast the US is more protective of individual liberties.

And since groups are imaginary constructs and individuals are real...

[ManifestDestiny]

Jaime_Souviens Jaime_Souviens:

Thematic-Device Thematic-Device:

Canada is more protective of group liberties, by contrast the US is more protective of individual liberties.

And since groups are imaginary constructs and individuals are real...

BINGO twice