[Wullu]

Ohhhhhh was that you trying to be sarcistic Q-Q? Have to check ya see, cause apperantly I am dumb in comparison to your razor like intellect and wit.

Now correct me if I am wrong (sure you will...jess a hunch), to have credibility as a peace keeping nation, would we not have to be a peace keeping nation in the first place?

As to what passport your friends use? I would care why?

[Wullu]

Avro Avro:

Do you really believe your own bs?

The tape was made in 1995 and they had been caught since then.

Where was the physical evidence of any such program?

Show me one molecule of WMD's that has been found.

How bout the molecules used on the Kurds?...they count avro?

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Ahh Isreal...the last resort eh? Good to know you are both anit-American and anti-jewish.

Gee, whatever did I say that would lead any rational person to believe that I am anti-Jewish?--or anti-American. Since when does disagreement equate with "anti-*'? You're too easy.

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Next...WMD : Did they find any? Nope. Were Saddam and his cronies working on them? You bet. Take a look at the transcripts of the recently released tapes that has him talking about how to get a WMD program up and running.

I haven't a friggin clue about any recently released tapes but be that as it may, are you saying that if a nation talks about how to get a WMD program up and running, it should be subject to a preemptive strike from the U.S. ? Hell, forget about talk, ol' Georgie can have his pick of those nations who are well beyond talk. Let's rumble with Korea or how about China? But Bushco is seriously thinking about Iran. Yeah, Iran, another oil rich country to take on. C'mon, the U.S. only takes on those nations it thinks it can conquer. That's what bullies do.

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And of course the last fall back of the anti-Iraq crowd. OIL!!!!! You cannot seriously think that the US has spent 10s of billions of dollars for access to oil they don't need do you? Hell if the US wants oil so bad, all they had to do is invest abut 5% of what they have spent on Iraq in Alberta on the tar sands. They could then tell the middle east where to stick its oil.

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9/11? The stated aim from Bush's state of the union after 9/11 was to go after all terrorists and those that harbour and support them. I would call the $25,000 that Saddam paid to the familys of the Palistinian suicide bombers support. And that just scratches the surface. To think that Saddam was not supporting terrorists is nothing more than head in the sand thinking.

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Oh, do keep scratching, but first you'll need to get up off your knees, remove your butt from the air, stand upright, and engage brain.

Look, my friend, if you want to continue believing that the U.S. invaded Iraq for altruistic reasons, go for it, but I really have neither the time nor the inclination to argue at any length with the gullible. Those in authoritative places are your masters and you, their slave. But you really might try getting around the net more. Why not click on For starters

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Wullu Wullu:

Ohhhhhh was that you trying to be sarcistic Q-Q? Have to check ya see, cause apperantly I am dumb in comparison to your razor like intellect and wit.

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Okay.

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Now correct me if I am wrong (sure you will...jess a hunch), to have credibility as a peace keeping nation, would we not have to be a peace keeping nation in the first place?

No. We only have to appear to be peace keeping and if we continue to keep our "defense" budget well in check, we can probably sustain that image--unless, of course, we start overtly siding with the Americans. God knows what we do in the back rooms. I don't trust our politicians either.

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As to what passport your friends use? I would care why?

Now, Wullu, you don't NEED to care but rather just understand that because Canada is perceived as a peace keeping nation and the U.S. is seen as a war mongering country, a Canadian passport is seen as giving its carrier the edge on "safe passage."

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No. We only have to appear to be peace keeping and if we continue to keep our "defense" budget well in check, we can probably sustain that image--unless, of course, we start overtly siding with the Americans. God knows what we do in the back rooms. I don't trust our politicians either.

we appear to be a peace keeping country? How can we appear to be one without being one....

Defense budget in check? What you mean under funding it so that we don't have the right equipment so that even if we wanted to help we couldn't and we would have to resort to being a peacekeeping country. America is not a war mongering country, they are just not pacifists like someone.

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Now, Wullu, you don't NEED to care but rather just understand that because Canada is perceived as a peace keeping nation and the U.S. is seen as a war mongering country, a Canadian passport is seen as giving its carrier the edge on "safe passage."

Wrong.

As a Canadian who is currently living overseas, and has lived overseas for several years, white English speakers are usually all lumped together, Canadians and Americans even more so. I spent time in Somalia, as a teacher in the early 90s, and when the local thugs/militias start shooting or threatening to shoot, they don't ask to see your passport. They see a white face, they hear English and that translates into a bulls eye, whether you are from Michigan, Manitoba or Manchester.

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DerbyX DerbyX:

Q-Q Q-Q:

As for you not believing in a god, that's at least consistent with what you advocate be done to certain members of the human race--and I find that quite refreshing. Of course, then you wouldn't be swearing on any Bible in any kind of oath toward duty toward country. Yet another crock.

Yours in pacifism

Pardon me????? You equate Atheism with advocating harm to others? Care to take me on? I am a well known or at least notorious Atheist and have debated and argued about the belief that not all muslims are extremists and a ton of other freedom and humanitarian angles.

Swearing an oath is a personal choice and the book is actually irrelevant. They could be swearing on the MacDonalds employee handbook for all I care as long as they keep their oath and it would be just as binding.

I guess I didn't make my point very well. I have found more often than not that those who BELIEVE--the so-called God-fearing if you will--are the ones who advocate war, Bushco being a primary example. I have never ever understood how someone who professes to believe in God could possibly promote war as a good thing under anything but exceedingly isolated cases--and even then....................

But if an atheist opts for gratuitous war (99% of all wars are in my opinion gratuitous, serving only those who send others to fight the "good" fight), at least he's not being hypocritical. Neither was I suggesting that all atheists are war mongering--not at all. I am an agnostic--a fence-sitter--who has never experienced war; never known anyone who has died in a war--but I can feel the effects of war vicariously and oh too clearly. I believe it is this ultrasensitivity which makes me passionately opposed to war or any physical conflict. On the other hand, war with words ain't so bad. You win some; you lose some; but no one loses a limb, a child, a father, a mother, a home; or suffers all manner of other attendant horrors.

[Wullu]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Q-Q Q-Q:

As for you not believing in a god, that's at least consistent with what you advocate be done to certain members of the human race--and I find that quite refreshing. Of course, then you wouldn't be swearing on any Bible in any kind of oath toward duty toward country. Yet another crock.

Yours in pacifism

Pardon me????? You equate Atheism with advocating harm to others? Care to take me on? I am a well known or at least notorious Atheist and have debated and argued about the belief that not all muslims are extremists and a ton of other freedom and humanitarian angles.

Swearing an oath is a personal choice and the book is actually irrelevant. They could be swearing on the MacDonalds employee handbook for all I care as long as they keep their oath and it would be just as binding.

Exactly Derby. When I signed on the dotted line I made an affirmation, no oath, no bible. I gave my word. That is all it takes, at least for this athiest.

[Wullu]

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I guess I didn't make my point very well. I have found more often than not that those who BELIEVE--the so-called God-fearing if you will--are the ones who advocate war, Bushco being a primary example. I have never ever understood how someone who professes to believe in God could possibly promote war as a good thing under anything but exceedingly isolated cases--and even then....................

But if an atheist opts for gratuitous war (99% of all wars are in my opinion gratuitous, serving only those who send others to fight the "good" fight), at least he's not being hypocritical. Neither was I suggesting that all atheists are war mongering--not at all. I am an agnostic--a fence-sitter--who has never experienced war; never known anyone who has died in a war--but I can feel the effects of war vicariously and oh too clearly. I believe it is this ultrasensitivity which makes me passionately opposed to war or any physical conflict. On the other hand, war with words ain't so bad. You win some; you lose some; but no one loses a limb, a child, a father, a mother, a home; or suffers all manner of other attendant horrors.

Very meta-physical of you Q-Q and it might even work on a university campus here or the States or Europe, but the despots of this world, where ever they may be see it as one thing and one thing only. Weakness. Beating swords into plough shares is all well and good when everyone agrees, but hey, we are dealing with human beings and all the pitfalls and fiobles that entails. All it takes is one to see an opening and take advantage of it and sorry to say...this planet will never run out of em. We just have to hope we don't run out of those that are willing to stop them.

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Wullu Wullu:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Q-Q Q-Q:

As for you not believing in a god, that's at least consistent with what you advocate be done to certain members of the human race--and I find that quite refreshing. Of course, then you wouldn't be swearing on any Bible in any kind of oath toward duty toward country. Yet another crock.

Yours in pacifism

Pardon me????? You equate Atheism with advocating harm to others? Care to take me on? I am a well known or at least notorious Atheist and have debated and argued about the belief that not all muslims are extremists and a ton of other freedom and humanitarian angles.

Swearing an oath is a personal choice and the book is actually irrelevant. They could be swearing on the MacDonalds employee handbook for all I care as long as they keep their oath and it would be just as binding.

Exactly Derby. When I signed on the dotted line I made an affirmation, no oath, no bible. I gave my word. That is all it takes, at least for this athiest.

Misdirected for sure, but hey, whatta guy!!

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Q-Q have you ever wondered why your rhetoric streams like water off a ducks back?

[Wullu]

Q-Q Q-Q:

Wullu Wullu:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Q-Q Q-Q:

As for you not believing in a god, that's at least consistent with what you advocate be done to certain members of the human race--and I find that quite refreshing. Of course, then you wouldn't be swearing on any Bible in any kind of oath toward duty toward country. Yet another crock.

Yours in pacifism

Pardon me????? You equate Atheism with advocating harm to others? Care to take me on? I am a well known or at least notorious Atheist and have debated and argued about the belief that not all muslims are extremists and a ton of other freedom and humanitarian angles.

Swearing an oath is a personal choice and the book is actually irrelevant. They could be swearing on the MacDonalds employee handbook for all I care as long as they keep their oath and it would be just as binding.

Exactly Derby. When I signed on the dotted line I made an affirmation, no oath, no bible. I gave my word. That is all it takes, at least for this athiest.

Misdirected for sure, but hey, whatta guy!!

Misdirected? No. Realist? Yes.

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Q-Q Q-Q:

Wullu Wullu:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Q-Q Q-Q:

As for you not believing in a god, that's at least consistent with what you advocate be done to certain members of the human race--and I find that quite refreshing. Of course, then you wouldn't be swearing on any Bible in any kind of oath toward duty toward country. Yet another crock.

Yours in pacifism

Pardon me????? You equate Atheism with advocating harm to others? Care to take me on? I am a well known or at least notorious Atheist and have debated and argued about the belief that not all muslims are extremists and a ton of other freedom and humanitarian angles.

Swearing an oath is a personal choice and the book is actually irrelevant. They could be swearing on the MacDonalds employee handbook for all I care as long as they keep their oath and it would be just as binding.

Exactly Derby. When I signed on the dotted line I made an affirmation, no oath, no bible. I gave my word. That is all it takes, at least for this athiest.

Misdirected for sure, but hey, whatta guy!!

I would love to know how you think signing up for the military is misdirected.