[ShepherdsDog]

From the places I've been that have universal healthcare, most have better systems than what we have. Canada is bragging, not about having the best system in the world, but about having a better system than the Americans. I think the yanks are about 8th or 9th and we're just one placing above them.

[Gunnair]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

"Universal health care" is what 53% of Canadians think is the best thing about Canada?

Pretty sad when the majority in a country is proudest not of what was done by their countrymen in two successive European wars, but of an entitlement.

Oh, Canada.

Well, when the US sorts it's shit out, you'll be in a far better position to poo-poo the world around you. Until then, the little jabs are simply another example of a neighbor with dog shit all over the yard, engine parts on the door step, and a house falling apart complaining about our lawn needing a mowing.

[herbie]

Yes Bart, it's an "entitlement". Just like yours to bear arms.

[bootlegga]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

"Universal health care" is what 53% of Canadians think is the best thing about Canada?

Pretty sad when the majority in a country is proudest not of what was done by their countrymen in two successive European wars, but of an entitlement.

Oh, Canada.

Sounds like someone didn't read the whole article - here's what it says about Canadians/Americans attitudes towards war;

$1:

"We don't see the 1812 war as a stand-alone piece as an American would see the War of Independence, because our nationhood has tended to be evolutionary as opposed to revolutionary."

The American view is sharply different.

"Wars don't play the most significant roles in our country because of the transitional nature of what we did, but in the United States wars play a really big part."

Many Canadians are proud of our history in WW1 and especially in WW2, even more so nowadays with our efforts in Afghanistan, but war isn't the only thing Canadians think of, and I doubt many would link WW2 and the War of 1812 together.

Different histories mean different priorities - probably why so many Americans think gun ownership is unalienable, while most Canadians agree that a little gun control isn't that big a deal.

[BartSimpson]

herbie herbie:

Yes Bart, it's an "entitlement". Just like yours to bear arms.

Rights =/= entitlements.

I have a right to keep and bear arms but I am most certainly not entitled to make someone else pay for my firearms.

Likewise, you may have a 'right' to seek out and obtain healthcare and in your country you may, for the time being, be entitled by law to make other people pay for your healthcare.

We take a dim view of that kind of thing.

[BartSimpson]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

From the places I've been that have universal healthcare, most have better systems than what we have. Canada is bragging, not about having the best system in the world, but about having a better system than the Americans. I think the yanks are about 8th or 9th and we're just one placing above them.

Regardless of the charts and graphs all I know is that when push comes to shove it seems that wealthy and powerful Canadians never seem to hesitate to come to the USA for what they need.

Once Obamacare is in full swing then that means that Canadians at all levels will be prohibited from obtaining medical treatment in the USA.

I hear Cuba is accepting paying patients.

[Gunnair]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

From the places I've been that have universal healthcare, most have better systems than what we have. Canada is bragging, not about having the best system in the world, but about having a better system than the Americans. I think the yanks are about 8th or 9th and we're just one placing above them.

Regardless of the charts and graphs all I know is that when push comes to shove it seems that wealthy and powerful Canadians never seem to hesitate to come to the USA for what they need.

Once Obamacare is in full swing then that means that Canadians at all levels will be prohibited from obtaining medical treatment in the USA.

I hear Cuba is accepting paying patients.

Sounds like yoi'll have less time to sort out what you think Canada's issues are as you try to sort out your own massive mess.

[herbie]

I'm amazed how Americans got stuck over the one misconception that YOU are paying for someone else's healthcare. How does that work if everyone pays the same? Even though it's untrue, it seemed to form the biggest objection by appealing to the basest, most greedy instincts of individuals.
Health care is a right, and a far more important one than getting to pack a pistol to McDonalds. Rights are not granted by a gov't they are taken by the populace, something you as an American should be aware and supportive of. The paperwork follows the will of the people.
The neo-con buzzword of 'entitlements' attempts to degrade rights to something expected but only deserved by Kings and Emperors.
If you insist on 'freedom of choice' when it only means you get to choose who rips you off for your coverage, that ain't a real freedom. IT leads to crap like Obamacare which most Canadians see as an abomination.

[andyt]

Americans seem to have no objection to paying for somebody else's road trip, having somebody else's house fire extinguished, nabbing the guy who mugged their neighbor, etc etc. Most even have no problem with paying to educate somebody else's kids. What's so evil about paying for their healthcare, since they will be paying for yours? And in the bargain, paying a lot less per person.

Heck, they're even willing to pay for the healthcare of their soldiers, but then what's that quote by Bill Kristol?

[DanSC]

[BartSimpson]

herbie herbie:

I'm amazed how Americans got stuck over the one misconception that YOU are paying for someone else's healthcare. How does that work if everyone pays the same?

Not everyone will pay the same. About 20 million illegal aliens will have to pay nothing along with a myriad of other pet Democrat constituencies.

Federal employees, along with the over 300 labor unions and etc. that have obtained waivers from the Obama administration will be exempt from Obamacare and will also pay nothing into the system while there's no provision in the law to exclude them from care.

[andyt]

That's because you have too many constituencies each trying to pull the system to their advantage. If you had a single payer system you wouldn't have that problem.

[BartSimpson]

andyt andyt:

That's because you have too many constituencies each trying to pull the system to their advantage. If you had a single payer system you wouldn't have that problem.

We really do not want a single payer system. If I want to pay for a level of care that the government does not approve of then it's none of their f*cking business.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

From the places I've been that have universal healthcare, most have better systems than what we have. Canada is bragging, not about having the best system in the world, but about having a better system than the Americans. I think the yanks are about 8th or 9th and we're just one placing above them.

Regardless of the charts and graphs all I know is that when push comes to shove it seems that wealthy and powerful Canadians never seem to hesitate to come to the USA for what they need.

Unlike the 750,000 thousand Americans that leave the US every year to receive medical care because they simply can't afford to get it at home!

[DanSC]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Unlike the 750,000 thousand Americans that leave the US every year

750,000 thousand. Damn. I knew our Censuses weren't perfectly accurate, but we must be way off.