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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 9:19 am
 


Since nobody, except a bad guy, was injured... I want to have some fun with this one.

Imagine a comedien like David Spade doing a segment like: "Ooh, your a Canadian Border Guard... I'm real scared! ha ha.."

So is a border guard who runs, really a guard?

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories ... a4ff1.html

Canadian guards left posts during border incident

07:36 AM PST on Wednesday, January 25, 2006
Associated Press and KING Staff Reports


BLAINE, Wash. — A high-speed chase tended in gunfire and a major U.S.-Canadian border crossing was closed for hours after one of two men sought in a California homicide was shot and wounded.

An unspecified number of Canadian border agents, who are unarmed, left their posts because they were concerned for their safety, but managers took over and maintained security, said Paula Shore, a spokeswoman for the Canada Border Services Agency.

Richmond, Calif., police Lt. Mark Gagan said Ishtiaq Hussain, 38, of Pakistan, and Jose Antonio Barajas, 22, of Mexico, were arrested after failing to stop at border and confirmed that Hussain was shot and wounded. His medical condition was not immediately available early Wednesday.

Both had been sought in the shooting death of Ashok Malhotra, 43, in an apartment Saturday, and police believed they might try to flee the country, Gagan said.

No one else was injured, Whatcom County Sheriff William Elfo said.

The chase began Tuesday afternoon after sheriff's deputies, tipped that two men sought in the shooting could be in the area, spotted a car matching the description on Interstate 5 in Custer, about six miles south of the border, Elfo said.

Whatcom County Sheriff Bill Elfo, center, talks on a cell phone next to the Peace Arch monument at the U.S.-Canadian border crossing in Blaine, Wash. The maroon vehicle in the background was carrying two suspects wanted for a murder in California and was stopped from crossing into Canada by local law enforcement.


When a deputy tried to stop the car, it accelerated to 100 mph. A spike strip laid across the freeway failed to stop the car, which tore through the U.S. Customs station at the Peace Arch crossing and veered across Peace Arch Park, at one point heading north in the southbound lane, Elfo said.

"The driver of the vehicle attempted to strike two border protection officers with the vehicle," said Bill Elfo, Whatcom County Sheriff.

At some point, a U.S. Customs and Border Protection agent fired his gun, striking one of the men, Elfo told The Seattle Times.

"They were kind of firing randomly at the car I think,” said Bill Whittle, witness. “It was like out of a TV show."

The chase ended about a yard from Canadian soil at the busiest border crossing west of Detroit when a deputy blocked the fleeing car with his squad car, Elfo said. One man bolted, but authorities quickly caught him.

Until the crossing was reopened about 12:30 a.m. Wednesday, traffic was diverted to the Pacific Highway crossing about a mile.

"I'm very proud of all our people involved," Elfo said. "It's a highly dangerous business trying to capture suspects such as these."

Detectives from Richmond planned to fly to Washington state to interview the men, Gagan said.

"Right now we're working on extraditing both men back to the San Francisco Bay area to face the murder charges," he said.

The Canada border agency spokeswoman would not specify how many Canadian border agents left their posts or for how long but said fewer than four of the more than 20 border crossings in British Columbia were affected.

"A few officers exercised their right to refuse to work because of what they perceived as imminent danger," Shore said in a telephone interview. Under the Canada labor code, "any worker has the right to refuse to work if they feel they are in imminent danger."

Managers took over and "as far as the traveling public is concerned, they would notice no difference," she said.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 9:29 am
 


I understand that it is their legal right to flee is they feel that they are in danger however, that does say alot about the position they are in.

Any thoughts on arming our border guards and giving them "essential service" status like the police or military? Should we give them arms with adequate training on levels of force and possibly a small quick reaction force at the major crossings?

If they can run away whenever they feel like they are in danger, then what makes them any different from a security guard at a car lot? This is our country, not the local mall.


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I have no idea what the govt's opposition was to arming Canadian custom officers, anyone else know?


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 9:43 am
 


bossdog bossdog:
I understand that it is their legal right to flee is they feel that they are in danger however, that does say alot about the position they are in.

Any thoughts on arming our border guards and giving them "essential service" status like the police or military? Should we give them arms with adequate training on levels of force and possibly a small quick reaction force at the major crossings?

If they can run away whenever they feel like they are in danger, then what makes them any different from a security guard at a car lot? This is our country, not the local mall.
I agree boss, if they can run away, then there is no point of them really being there. Get some hard asses down there with small arms and training. Our borders will be a little more secure :D


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As far as I know, the US agents aren't armed along the Canadian border however, I have seen groups of people that would lead me to believe they have a QRF in place.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 9:58 am
 


All this time... it is we Americans who have been protecting your border. :wink: You're welcome. It's our job.

We won't let our bad guys get to you!

But what if the situation was reversed where a Canadian bad guy was heading for the U.S. border. Oh yea, we have guns! We'll take care of it.

Just having a little fun... please be kind.


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bossdog bossdog:
As far as I know, the US agents aren't armed along the Canadian border however, I have seen groups of people that would lead me to believe they have a QRF in place.


Americans don't retreat, we attack in reverse!


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bossdog bossdog:
As far as I know, the US agents aren't armed along the Canadian border however, I have seen groups of people that would lead me to believe they have a QRF in place.
What is a QRF?


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bossdog bossdog:
As far as I know, the US agents aren't armed along the Canadian border however, I have seen groups of people that would lead me to believe they have a QRF in place.


The US agents are armed. Big fucking handguns on in holsters on their waists.

And the Canadian guards should be armed.

They should also stop being pussies.


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bossdog bossdog:
As far as I know, the US agents aren't armed along the Canadian border however, I have seen groups of people that would lead me to believe they have a QRF in place.
What is a QRF?


Quick Reaction Force


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Ruxpercnd Ruxpercnd:
All this time... it is we Americans who have been protecting your border. :wink: You're welcome. It's our job.

We won't let our bad guys get to you!

But what if the situation was reversed where a Canadian bad guy was heading for the U.S. border. Oh yea, we have guns! We'll take care of it.

Just having a little fun... please be kind.


I know you're just kidding around but I believe your statement is the furthest thing from the truth. If you look at how the borders are setup you'll see that anyone coming into Canada doesn't have to be checked by any US official. The same goes the other way.


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bossdog bossdog:
As far as I know, the US agents aren't armed along the Canadian border however, I have seen groups of people that would lead me to believe they have a QRF in place.


The US agents are armed. Big fucking handguns on in holsters on their waists.

And the Canadian guards should be armed.

They should also stop being pussies.
Agreed It's pretty hard to guard a border ...when the best offence you have are your feet taking you in the other direction... [door]


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 2:12 pm
 


The problem is the mandate for Customs is one of revenue protection rather than law enforcement.

Liberal Senator Colin Kenny just spent 2 years doing an evaluation of our border security and in his report suggested Canada should arm it's border security people and reduce tarrifs to shift their focus to law enforcement and security from the revenue side.

Unfortunately, that was met by significant opposition from the Liberal government that hired him to do the job (they didn't get the answer from him they expected), so they shelved his proposals and now the reports gathering dust on an Ottawa shelf somewhere.

Hopefully, the Conservatives will reevaluate things. They've suggested they would during the election, and there's every reason to expect them to follow through, as it's not something that the oppostion would be willing to bring a government down over.


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Motorcycleboy Motorcycleboy:
The problem is the mandate for Customs is one of revenue protection rather than law enforcement.

Liberal Senator Colin Kenny just spent 2 years doing an evaluation of our border security and in his report suggested Canada should arm it's border security people and reduce tarrifs to shift their focus to law enforcement and security from the revenue side.

Unfortunately, that was met by significant opposition from the Liberal government that hired him to do the job (they didn't get the answer from him they expected), so they shelved his proposals and now the reports gathering dust on an Ottawa shelf somewhere.

Hopefully, the Conservatives will reevaluate things. They've suggested they would during the election, and there's every reason to expect them to follow through, as it's not something that the oppostion would be willing to bring a government down over.


Looks like it according to Vic Toews anyway...

Border guards will get guns, Tory says after shootout


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IcedCap IcedCap:
Looks like it according to Vic Toews anyway...

Border guards will get guns, Tory says after shootout


Good link.

I can't really see any reason why the Tories wouldn't do it.

Ideologically, it's something they'd been inclined to do anyway. On top of that, it's a promise that's easy for them to keep, and not something that would meet any stiff resistance from the other parties.

And it's not, in the big picture, particularly costly.


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